[truemajeed]

My point is this:

In GW you don't grind...I don't know what you were doing, but since it is perfectly possible to get to max lvl in the time some people posting here seem to think is ok to play in a single day I hardly think that you can claim that GW has a grind... and at least it has an involving storyline, with missions etc. which really keep you knowing what is going on... WoW has general themes, but is not nearly as in depth... which means that playing GW is fun just to do the quests and follow the story without reading every line... while this makes WoW very boring... perhaps you cannot count it as grinding but still... WoW is not as involving imho.

Oh and I said hard to level, not hard to get to grips with...

Also, questing can be fun, but endless questing without anything else tends to grind (which is a perfectly acceptable usage of the word grind!) It gets boring to kill the same things 100 times just to get some items, gw might make you kill 20, which takes 5 mins...in wow an almost identical quest will take 1/2 an hour, with a similar or smaller reward... blame this on 'noobishness' if you like, but in WoW you have no henchmen/heroes to help you out... perhaps membership of a really huge guild is necessary...

Oh and speaking as a relatively casual gamer, WoW does not give quick boosts, instead requiring huge time input to get to 70... e.g. 100+ hours or a lot more... which will grind to a casual player.... if it takes you more than 10 logins to gain a single level you get kinda bored.... maybe you guys have a huge amount of free time but there are people who don't....