Anti-Bot and Market Coalition

[Zedek]

Its a good idea and i would like to see if you can get this going. However, you should probably try to get it running on your own server first and not trying to do it for the whole game because you wont be able to manage all that. Do it on your server and show the people that economy on yours runs better than on the others. The others will follow afterwards.
You will have to talk to the people personally to get them working with you so.

Anyways, what are you going to do if the farmers just buy all the cheap "human" items and resell them more expensive?

[Cleaf]

You're idea is admirable. After years of leading in an botinfested game like L2 no wonder you thought how you could "save" some other games from that doom. But like others said, it's not gonna work like this.

I also wouldn't take part in it. It sounds quite a bit like dictatorship. Some people want to dictate me the rules of gaming, how I should price my own stuff etc. Even if it's my guildleader, I wouldn't do it. It's not because I want to sell overpriced or because I don't want to go against bots. I just want to have some freedom for my decisions. It's a game, don't need more restrictions in it than necessary.

If the market really takes that campaign, I'd follow the market. But surely not because of some other's command.

[BloodyAngel]

Originally Posted by Redagio

Hello to all Aion Source members and visitors. I am a new member, so to speak, to your vast community. I came from Lineage 2, a practical hell-bound community with a demolished economy and an even worse botting situation. I was a clan leader there for 3 years starting in about 2004. I lead that clan along with an alliance that survived the clan/alliance reformations when switching to a different chronicle and helped lead 3 other alliances. I quit since then because of the community's corruption, lies, and crocked ways of doing politics and mindless warring. Plenty of Adena (in-game currency) purchases being made and through that, gaining a lot of control over markets because there wasn't a band or pact for merchants that kept them together and organized, disabling single wealthy players/clans to gain total control of the markets and castles. This would, of course, supported botters to the maximum and allowed them to gain large profits from taking advantage of the unstable and tarnished community within all of the servers. Some did better than others but bots still were allowed to roam the servers unchecked and unchallenged because at that stage in the game, they were unbeatable.

Anyhow, I come to you all today to try to get some preemptive support for a movement I wish to create. In response to Elliot's translated pages, (Read What They Read, See What I See and Read What They Read, See What I See) I want to create a coalition that will successfully fight and drive back the botters by combating them in the market. Normal players are their prey; they feed off of us to make their money. The premise is that they go out, farm materials, sell the materials/sell crafts, gain tons of Qinas (in-game currency), then sell them for real money irl. Cutting them from the source, Qinas, will hurt them the most rather than slaying them out in the fields or asking the greedy corporate giant NCsoft to deal with the situation expecting them to deal with it in the same manner as Blizzard does here in the states. Truth is, they more than likely will not because they don't have the customers here in the US/EU like they do in Korea and then with botters filling in those empty slots, that should be filled with faithful players, NCsoft sees profit and will allow the majority of them to continue, banning a few to appease the populous.

How do I want to combat them? This coalition I want to create will be filled with all the major legion leaders and emissaries of those legions from each server and each side (Asmodian and Elyos). I personally can only oversee and take care of a single server but I would hope that when the release comes, someone will step forward and take care of the other servers. There will be bi-weekly meetings in which all of whom are invited, can attend and throw in their two cents about how the market should be run. All that will be discussed within meetings is what base mats, crafts, and special mats should cost (in ranges) and allow the legion leaders to instruct their people what they should price their items. Doing this will allow all normal and not-so-hardcore players to afford the items in-game. This can more than likely be easily achieved by creating a store and viewing Aion's suggested price that is displayed within the store. This price is usally 1/3 of what the NPC merchant would sell it to us for which means that the value should be that price +40% to +55% meaning that we should expect a 5% to 20% profit. The only downfall is that people will attempt to take advantage, buy our items at the lower prices, and then sell them at higher prices. Those who'll do this is the ignorant (those who don't know of our plan) and those who just want more money. It won't work though because nobody will buy their overpriced items because there will be so many legions in agreement still pricing items lower, people will ALWAYS buy the less expensive items therefor forcing all other players to sell at our prices if they want to make any money at all.

The other step in this plan is to require all of the coalition merchants to put up a special tag within their store title. For example, I could name my store "H0t iTem$ cH3aP" and since I'm part of the coalition, my store needs to read something like: "*!* H0t iTem$ cH3aP" the *!* is the tag that signifies that this store is human owned and should be purchased from before a store that doesn't have this tag. As long as the store owner is human, they can put the tag there. This will allow players the freedom of buying from honest, hard-working humans rather than from botters.

How will people even know what the symbol means? Word of mouth. The legion leaders will be the ones to tell their clannies and their clannies will tell other newcomers who either aren't a part of the coalition or aren't in a legion at all. The downfall here is spies - people who are botters finding out and taking advantage and putting the tag in their stores as well. The first step in combating that is changing the tag every month. The second step, if the botters are just mimicking our store tags all the time, we'll instruct the legions to place all of their stores in a single location. If they belong to a legion in specific, they must place themselves in a certain area of their choice within each city. It should look like a large circle of stores that look like they're preparing for a raid. This will somewhat exclude non-legion players but this is for the greater good. This will give another visual for players to purchase from honest players again.

Ok so re-cap. Keeping the prices low with the coalition will force the server to keep prices low as long as the coalition remains large, strong, and loyal to the pact. Keeping prices down allows everyone to purchase items at a profitable and still affordable rate. Keeping these items affordable will prevent players from being forced to purchase Qinas from botters. Tagging our auction house bids and personal stores will allow players to only buy from non-botters and with plan B will too allow players to only buy from humans. This will lessen the amount of Qinas even available to be purchased by humans anyway. The botters will also have to raise the prices for the Qinas to where it would discourage people to buy the in-game currency in the first place. It's almost a fool-proof plan and the only way for it to succeed is for us all to work together to accomplish such a large goal esspecially since Asmodians will not be able to contact Elyos players in-game and vice versa. we would have to have meetings in TS/Vent and post the updates within a forum in the Official Aion Forums and here, in the Aion Source Forums.

This ABMC (Anti-Bot & Market Coalition) cannot really be formed until the actual game releases and everyone knows what server they'll attend. Currently, I wish to bring this to everyone's attention here is just to get feedback, suggestions, and criticism. I know that this concept is almost next to impossible because people will be hard to inform in-game and hard to trust to get to keep selling at the prices that are suggested. The figures I gave above shouldn't be necessarily the formula we should go by but instead just an example. Expect some conflicts and some disagreements but such a worthy deed will bring us all together and once the bots have been at least pushed back first, let's be human and cut each other's throats to the maximum then. As of right now, I'm giving the general Aion population the benefit of the doubt that we can work together for a common goal for as long as possible. Caring for your fellow man is indeed a rare expression heard and much less practiced but I'd like to atleast try and fail over not trying at all and definitely failing.

how many hours did you spend to write all of these?
If you are to start a game just to eliminate boters, i think you are going to make a major fault.
Get a life, amuse yourself with these games!!! Long live the boters(just kidding)
You are not Ncsoft , the botting system is the company's problem to solve, if you don't want to be a part of this you are free to do it,no one is pushing you.

One last thing, if you hate these systems so badly why have you been playing lineage2 for 3 years?

[Shuu]

Originally Posted by t0yo

When the signature is that hot its usually because the person behind the pc is the complete opposite =_=;

I'm really hot dude,ask Fei's sister,rawRR!
You can check for my pic on L2Blah if you want btw,ptit coquinou.

Redagio,you spam a lot of words son,but you know in France we use to say : you re like sharks,big mouth,small tail (tail in France also means p e n i s).I don't even give your idea one month of pratical before you and the other clowns that want to take part in it give up.Face it.
About my poor english,excuse me yes,3 years of playing Teon with Russians,having business with Chinese and now with Koreans for Aion kinda destroyed the leet english skills I had (but at least you understood what I meant,enough eh).
And why should I blame farmers?
Those guys are not really ruining MMOs,being a L2 player should have show you the truth : you just CAN'T play L2 without them.
Why don't you blame NCsoft for doing nothing,and even SUPPORTING farmers hum?
I tell you again,I will have farming parties,it makes me selfish and greedy,yes,hell I care,I'm just considering myself as an opportunist.

[BloodyAngel]

Originally Posted by Shuu

I'm really hot dude,ask Fei's sister,rawRR!
You can check for my pic on L2Blah if you want btw,ptit coquinou.

Redagio,you spam a lot of words son,but you know in France we use to say : you re like sharks,big mouth,small tail (tail in France also means p e n i s).I don't even give your idea one month of pratical before you and the other clowns that want to take part in it give up.Face it.
About my poor english,excuse me yes,3 years of playing Teon with Russians,having business with Chinese and now with Koreans for Aion kinda destroyed the leet english skills I had (but at least you understood what I meant,enough eh).
And why should I blame farmers?
Those guys are not really ruining MMOs,being a L2 player should have show you the truth : you just CAN'T play L2 without them.
Why don't you blame NCsoft for doing nothing,and even SUPPORTING farmers hum?
I tell you again,I will have farming parties,it makes me selfish and greedy,yes,hell I care,I'm just considering myself as an opportunist.

+1 from me. The truth is that Ncsoft not only did nothing to stop boters, the even helped them with a cronicle that let them die freelly without the risk of dropping armors and stuff.
So all of you that claim to playing lineage2 for many years you should have known this.
Imo i played l2 for 3 years in the devianne server( member of POOT, clan Pornstarlets, Mirmidones, Fate), and i know that everybody had farmers slaves etc. So don't tell that you are innocent and hate botters.

[DeiF]

Originally Posted by finalfight

if this game get infested by bots like L2 did i'm not playing it, your plan is nice but i'm not paying 15$ to do NCsoft job, they must clean it or i leave to another game AND you guys should do the same, i mean why i have to suport a company who leave bot's and gold farmer's hule theyr games? and for who think an MMO is profitable in anyway i just feel sorry for you, got to school get a real job and become a man... insteed of talking **** on foruns and botting all day for nothing!

I think this is the best plan. Get NCSoft to do his job.
If you play 1 month and the game is infested with bots, quit playing. If everyone would do that there will be no bots.

[BloodyAngel]

Originally Posted by DeiF

I think this is the best plan. Get NCSoft to do his job.
If you play 1 month and the game is infested with bots, quit playing. If everyone would do that there will be no bots.

Yeah this is the best plan

[Shuu]

Originally Posted by Redagio

disabling single wealthy players/clans to gain total control of the markets and castles.

In 3 years of L2 you didn't manage to get a single castle?
Haha.

How do I want to combat them?All that will be discussed within meetings is what base mats, crafts, and special mats should cost (in ranges) and allow the legion leaders to instruct their people what they should price their items. Doing this will allow all normal and not-so-hardcore players to afford the items in-game.The only downfall is that people will attempt to take advantage, buy our items at the lower prices, and then sell them at higher prices. Those who'll do this is the ignorant (those who don't know of our plan) and those who just want more money. It won't work though because nobody will buy their overpriced items because there will be so many legions in agreement still pricing items lower, people will ALWAYS buy the less expensive items therefor forcing all other players to sell at our prices if they want to make any money at all.

Wait wait wait,LOL.
You re trying to tell that farmers can't overbuy your low priced items?
Man,we are talking about chinese there...Tons of them...+ Normal not so hardcore players like you name them,what stop them to buy it and sell it after?Whole humanity is corrupted/selfish/greedy,you have WAY too much faith,haha.
But let just pretend you are right,you will have more people in your coaltion selling for low prices,what will happen?
Aion servers can handle 5K players,are you telling me you and your clowns will have ENOUGH items for sale?For cheap prices always?
Sounds to me like YOU AND YOUR BAND ARE THE ONLY FARMERS HERE LOL.


The other step in this plan is to require all of the coalition merchants to put up a special tag within their store title. For example, I could name my store "H0t iTem$ cH3aP" and since I'm part of the coalition, my store needs to read something like: "*!* H0t iTem$ cH3aP" the *!* is the tag that signifies that this store is human owned and should be purchased from before a store that doesn't have this tag. As long as the store owner is human, they can put the tag there. This will allow players the freedom of buying from honest, hard-working humans rather than from botters.

Ok,since when farmers are blind? OO
Not so hard to copy/paste a shop title,hahaha...

How will people even know what the symbol means? Word of mouth. The legion leaders will be the ones to tell their clannies and their clannies will tell other newcomers who either aren't a part of the coalition or aren't in a legion at all. The downfall here is spies - people who are botters finding out and taking advantage and putting the tag in their stores as well. The first step in combating that is changing the tag every month. The second step, if the botters are just mimicking our store tags all the time, we'll instruct the legions to place all of their stores in a single location. If they belong to a legion in specific, they must place themselves in a certain area of their choice within each city. It should look like a large circle of stores that look like they're preparing for a raid. This will somewhat exclude non-legion players but this is for the greater good. This will give another visual for players to purchase from honest players again.

Oh you noticed,but too bad,your words don't have any sense,it just CAN'T work damn.

Man,you won't have any impact on farmers.(even tho you re trying to fight bots,not farmers,but I think you don't make a single difference,proving how you don't know what you re talking about)
Enjoy wasting 15$ per month in an already lost fight.

[Otrera]

Sounds good, but it is impossible to achieve that. It is like communism, when you reading it in the books it sounds very good, but when you try to do that in reality it fails as failed USSR. It is human nature, they always will do what they think is best for them.
Honestly, i hate bots, farmers as much as most of us do, but that just wont work, it is like beating wall with head. And only ones who can save us from botters/farmers it is NCsoft. And i personally don't care anymore, if Aion going to become another Lineage 2, i wont play it or any other NCsoft games in future, and recommend you to do the same. I know here is no very interesting westerm mmo's at the moment, but this year is incoming atleast several new western mmos, and some of them looks realy great. So why not to try them, instead of fighting battle which you will never win without bless of almighty NCsoft?
Ofcourse here is still a hope that Aion will be bot/farmer free here in west, so this is why i'm still here.

ADD: Shuu, don't be so negative, guy wishes good for all of us, even if his idea sounds unreal

[Kaycy]

Originally Posted by Otrera

Sounds good, but it is impossible to achieve that. It is like communism, when you reading it in the books it sounds very good, but when you try to do that in reality it fails

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[Kiba]

Agreed with Otrera but lay off guys, hes just trying to help in his own way. As a note about the system suggested, if you lower the price of items that means there will be an increase in demand for them. Since there wont be enough items to satisfy every need, the price for these items will inevitably increase. I appreciate the effort Redagio, but this is basic economic theory at work. Maybe you can come up with something better. Peace

[Shuu]

Originally Posted by Otrera

ADD: Shuu, don't be so negative, guy wishes good for all of us, even if his idea sounds unreal

Am sorry but this guy is beyond stupidity imo,he remembers me Krle...

[finalfight]

Originally Posted by Shuu

Am sorry but this guy is beyond stupidity imo,he remembers me Krle...

Shuu L2 retail have just 200k players and half of them is botters soo you cut 50% as real players who teh **** read LagBlah?? Krle is just a ghost here picked for your last nightmanre, none knows what is Krle (only us L2 retard players (who read blah)) mauhauhauhuahuahuhauhauhBR... biatch.

[blackprince]

Is this another form of FinalElf? It sure sound familiar....

[Shuu]

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