China Bans Gold Farming

[MidnightTempest]

Originally Posted by xinner

I trust an ex-convict more than the chinese government

To be honest the Chinese government is actually more trustworthy than the previous American administration or the British administration ran under Bush and Blair respectively.

But you are probably right on this one, this is most likely an empty promise that Chinese government won't reinforce, just like their anti-piracy law. It's because there is so far no financial or political motivation for China to contribute manpower or resources in regard to this matter.

[Wraten]

Originally Posted by MooMooCow

How the hell do they plan on enforcing this?

I dont know the true numbers, USAToday has reported that China has 30,000 "Internet Police" but they spend all their time with political matters if that newspaper is right. There is also the new filtering software all new computers are supposed to have?

Originally Posted by Raien

people try and fail, does not mean you didn't try, and it sure as hell does not mean you should stop trying. China is new to the whole democracy thing, so let them work on it. You think US? Canada? Europe? all got democracy right the first time? hell no, it led to wars and conflicts. mutinies and tyranny. Also, if the people have no intention of following the law, the government cant do a damn thing about it, i mean seriously, you want them to throw a few million people in jail?

i remember a few years ago that a law in Calgary got passed making you legally required to wear a bicycle helmet when riding a pedal bike. No one, give or take a few over protective parents, took this law seriously. As a result, it basically failed, you can ride right up to cops and ask for directions etc, they wont give you a ticket or anything for not having a helmet. Proof that mass amount of people > government. Laws only work if the people are willing to comply to some degree, authorities can deal with a few disgruntle people, but not whole city's/country's of disgruntle citizens.


edit* @above, as with most things of this nature, they give them a few months to comply. If they do not, they get slapped with massive fines that are basically meant to bankrupt the company and force its closure.

Done business academically for about a decade in China. Part of this is about gambling online also. They have a huge problem with trading real currency for virtual currency for online gambling. They tried to Ban this in 2005-2007 to no avail. They tried to ban game gold in 2007. (They never enforced these attempts) Hell they shut down the ability to start, run and own a Internet Cafe all through 2007 to "instill purity into the Internet".

As a conspiracy theorist, I think it has something to do with Green Dam! lol

Honestly I dont know anymore than anyone else. Just experienced this before. Could work this time. You are most likely right.

Edit: Sounds like I am down on China I am not. Lots of great experiences.

The ppl of China are decent good ppl, if they feel gambling is screwing up the country and that banning all virtual currency including game currency will cure the problem they might accept it.

[Mangkee]

the US is a republic, never in it's history was it considered a democracy, our fore-fathers are DISGUSTED with anything to do with a Democracy.

[MidnightTempest]

Originally Posted by Wraten

the communist government has the citizens best interest in mind.

China isn't Communist, it hasn't been one since the 1970s.

However you can call it a Single Party Socialist State.

[Wraten]

Originally Posted by MidnightTempest

China isn't Communist, it hasn't been one since the 1970s.

However you can call it a Single Party Socialist State.

Thanks! an old man can still learn something new everyday.

[MooMooCow]

It's simply not reasonable to enforce such an act. The customer base isn't even in China and the other nations have no such law.

Further more, bot programs have allowed gold farming to become an extremely automatist occupation. You need no more than 3-4 people to oversee an entire option of over 20 bot trains. Which makes catching such a small operation extremely hard in a rural area of such a large country.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by MooMooCow

It's simply not reasonable to enforce such an act. The customer isn't even in China and the other nations have no such law.

Did you stop to think that most of the sellers reside in China?

[MooMooCow]

Originally Posted by Harley

Did you stop to think that most of the sellers reside in China?

Really? That can't be possible!

[ComicBookGuy]

How would China enforce this if the Gold Seller corporation is based in the USA? They outsource their farmer to China for the cheap labor, but the legal entity is a USA corporation.

Plus the buyer is in the USA, not China. That would be like the USA trying to enforce drug policy in Mexico. As soon as there are buyers, it's impossible to enforce.

Many countries have tried to ban booze and hookers over the course of history and none have been successful. No way to stop Gold selling because theirs such a huge demand in the USA.

[Wraten]

Originally Posted by Harley

Did you stop to think that most of the sellers reside in China?

Reportedly as big as IGE:

Website: removed
E-mail: removed
Owner: THS International Inc
Street address: 1559B Sloat Blvd. #195
San Francisco, CA 94132
Country: United States
Livehelp: Available

[Raien]

Originally Posted by Mangkee

the US is a republic, never in it's history was it considered a democracy, our fore-fathers are DISGUSTED with anything to do with a Democracy.

republic is a form of democracy, in fact, it was the founding fathers who came up with the defenition that the united states of America uses. In which they called it a representative democracy. As with anything, there is no yes/no answer in politics, its all about the shades of gray.

edit* the out sourcing of labour is another huge issue that USA company's are known for. setting up sweatshops overseas where things like workers rights are not as established, then taking advantage and abusing them. the Chinese government cannot do much about a company that is technically American.

[MidnightTempest]

Originally Posted by Wraten

Reportedly as big as IGE:

Website: removed
E-mail: removed
Owner: THS International Inc
Street address: 1559B Sloat Blvd. #195
San Francisco, CA 94132
Country: United States
Livehelp: Available

I'm not too familiar with the gold-selling industry, but with illegitimate businesses like this, these addresses are usually nothing more than an empty front. Most likely when you do track the company down with the address, you will find nothing there.

But this goes to show that gold farming has indeed tranformed into an international scale business, and how virtually impossible it is to shut them down. This is like fighting agaisnt international narcotics.

[Raien]

Originally Posted by MidnightTempest

I'm not too familiar with the gold-selling industry, but with illegitimate businesses like this, these addresses are usually nothing more than an empty front. Most likely when you do track the company down with the address, you will find nothing there.

it will be some random guys house, usually people who are very oblivious/gullible so said front company can take the mail.
I heard one story, that involved an old lady. basically a neighbor or something talked the old lady into agreeing to have his mail sent to her place, claiming he was having divorce issues or something? and didn't want the ex to know the address or something. turned out he was running some big scam, and using her house as a front. - don't quote me word for word on this one, its been years since I saw the story on the news.

[MidnightTempest]

Originally Posted by Raien

republic is a form of democracy, in fact, it was the founding fathers who came up with the defenition that the united states of America uses. In which they called it a representative democracy. As with anything, there is no yes/no answer in politics, its all about the shades of gray.

edit* the out sourcing of labour is another huge issue that USA company's are known for. setting up sweatshops overseas where things like workers rights are not as established, then taking advantage and abusing them. the Chinese government cannot do much about a company that is technically American.

"An oligarchy is that which a state is ruled by the few and the wealthy, and a democracy is that which the many and the poor are the rulers." - Aristotle

If you go by this logic, in reality no states in the world have achieved true democracy.

But then again, it's also true that America's founding fathers never intended her to be a true democractic state.

Originally Posted by Raien

it will be some random guys house, usually people who are very oblivious/gullible so said front company can take the mail.
I heard one story, that involved an old lady. basically a neighbor or something talked the old lady into agreeing to have his mail sent to her place, claiming he was having divorce issues or something? and didn't want the ex to know the address or something. turned out he was running some big scam, and using her house as a front. - don't quote me word for word on this one, its been years since I saw the story on the news.

No what you read is definitely true. These situations happen all the time.

[Raien]

Yea i know no country is truly democratic. Like I said, in politics there is no such thing as black and white, just shades of gray. Even glorious Canada is considered a representative democracy, meaning its basically the same as the states, but a lighter shade of gray....
I always start with the word democracy or communist though because it is from those 2 ideas, that everything in between is formed, like ying and yang, you cant have one without the other.

edit* remember what i was guna say. IMO - It could be said that body count means nothing in politics. Majority rules mumbo jumbo refers to dollars not people.