China Bans Gold Farming

[AkzoNoble]

Originally Posted by Wraten

TOloseGT made a nice start at answering. I would like to add that games themselves are closed environments that game developers try to control and plan over a long term time line. This becomes inherently difficult once outside forces (gold farmers and resellers) enter the equation as a uncontrollable variable. It effects how the game works, is planned or developed.

Ok, then please help me. What are gold sellers doing other then normal players? They run arround, kill mobs and sell stuff to the npc or in ah. They get gold for it. That gold is in the game economy now due to a regular, controlled process(drops/playtime). Now the gold is just switching onto another account. How does that make any difference for the developers? If the gold sellers use a hack or something like bugusing, then i completely agree with you, but actually thats not the case in aion, i think. Oh yes, and they need to have an account for every bot itself, so the game will make quite some money from them too...

Originally Posted by Wraten

Secondly gold farming is a like a way of printing your own money by artificial means outside the the normal process of the game. Its kind of like asking "If America prints 1billion dollars and I print (or counterfit) 1billion dollars does my action have an effect if we both release all our money into the economy?" Why is it like printing money? Because it happens outside the norms of the game. There are not controls in place to manage a variable that is defined by the gold sellers. Prices skyrocket and players that dont take advantage of the system have to play longer hours, or take other steps to compensate.

I still dont see, why its like printing own money? The gold sellers dont use a bug(that would be like having a money printing machine), they use in game time to get the gold. And no, items are not getting more expensive, because gold sellers also throw items on the market. Did you ever check the prices of those big gathering packages in aion? you can actually see which are from the gold sellers, because they sell big packages for low prices in large ammounts.

Originally Posted by Wraten

Thirdly if you buy gold ppl like me post long strange posts about it.

Is it really worth it?

yes, i like some good discussion more then 100 people writing: "yeah, get those china people down!"
by the way: in china it is quite common to use gold sellers, almost every chinese player i know use it... and ingame economy on those 2 servers i play aion on, is still stable.

What i want to say overall is:
I play alot of mmos and in every game there are gold sellers. I always ask myself, what is bad about them? are there really any moral difficulties buying from them? Except the developers dont like it...
At last i think those gold sellers just make the game more easy for everybody, because:
For example in aion you would need 4x time to lvl up, if you would like to have some good actual equipment for your lvl, because crafting is so goddamn expensive. If you want to gather all the stuff you need, it will take weeks. Try to be an expert in one of jobs.. you will see... its quite impossible to reach it, if you need about 10000 woods... Not to mention the drop-only items you need, you have to buy in ah, that means even more gathering to get more money.
So gold sellers just fresh up all those things a bit. Its like some more people are playing on the server. they are grinding, gathering 10 times more than normal players and make game economy a bit easier for people who dont have the time to run arround for weeks and always do the same, or just dont like it.

[justamemory]

Preposterous! this is Un-Chinese!

[Serena]

If only they would pass a bill like that in.... India, Middle East, Russia.... >.>

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The Chinese government has officially banned gold farming, declaring that virtual currency can only be traded for virtual goods and services.

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[Eruadan]

Originally Posted by Wraten

Looks remarkably like a synopsis of my rambling post discussing my friends at Jinan University, GuangZhou, GuangDong and their reaction to the news - in this same thread earlier in the day!

Out of curiosity post the link to your quote? We are still gathering links and research for giggles.

L2Blah - L2Guru - View Single Post - gg bots (not really)

L2Blah - L2Guru - View Single Post - gg bots (not really)

Lance is pretty knowledgeable about that sort of stuff

As for Time stamps, his post was 2 hours before yours, but yes both of you are probably right.

[riwdlytt]

Originally Posted by AkzoNoble

Ok, then please help me. What are gold sellers doing other then normal players? They run arround, kill mobs and sell stuff to the npc or in ah. They get gold for it. That gold is in the game economy now due to a regular, controlled process(drops/playtime). Now the gold is just switching onto another account. How does that make any difference for the developers? If the gold sellers use a hack or something like bugusing, then i completely agree with you, but actually thats not the case in aion, i think. Oh yes, and they need to have an account for every bot itself, so the game will make quite some money from them too...


I still dont see, why its like printing own money? The gold sellers dont use a bug(that would be like having a money printing machine), they use in game time to get the gold. And no, items are not getting more expensive, because gold sellers also throw items on the market. Did you ever check the prices of those big gathering packages in aion? you can actually see which are from the gold sellers, because they sell big packages for low prices in large ammounts.


yes, i like some good discussion more then 100 people writing: "yeah, get those china people down!"
by the way: in china it is quite common to use gold sellers, almost every chinese player i know use it... and ingame economy on those 2 servers i play aion on, is still stable.

What i want to say overall is:
I play alot of mmos and in every game there are gold sellers. I always ask myself, what is bad about them? are there really any moral difficulties buying from them? Except the developers dont like it...
At last i think those gold sellers just make the game more easy for everybody, because:
For example in aion you would need 4x time to lvl up, if you would like to have some good actual equipment for your lvl, because crafting is so goddamn expensive. If you want to gather all the stuff you need, it will take weeks. Try to be an expert in one of jobs.. you will see... its quite impossible to reach it, if you need about 10000 woods... Not to mention the drop-only items you need, you have to buy in ah, that means even more gathering to get more money.
So gold sellers just fresh up all those things a bit. Its like some more people are playing on the server. they are grinding, gathering 10 times more than normal players and make game economy a bit easier for people who dont have the time to run arround for weeks and always do the same, or just dont like it.

Someone that is using a bot is cheating. Someone that is selling gold is exploiting the game companies intellectual property and is helping people to cheat. Someone that buys gold is also cheating.

If someone is using RL money to buy some advantage in game that I cant get its simple cheating. Its just like competing in a sport and use drugs to win...

Everything in the virtual world must be earned in the virtual world. As soon as RL money interfere its ruined. Its a RPG...

[kimsikyoul]

Now, the farmers will start gold farming in US/EU servers.... Sigh....

[Wraten]

Originally Posted by Eruadan

L2Blah - L2Guru - View Single Post - gg bots (not really)

Lance is pretty knowledgeable about that sort of stuff

As for Time stamps, his post was 2 hours before yours, but yes both of you are probably right.

Thanks for posting the link Eruadan. Very kind of you. Its a interesting topic, nice to have lots of sources of info.

[AkzoNoble]

Originally Posted by riwdlytt

Someone that is using a bot is cheating. Someone that is selling gold is exploiting the game companies intellectual property and is helping people to cheat. Someone that buys gold is also cheating.

If someone is using RL money to buy some advantage in game that I cant get its simple cheating. Its just like competing in a sport and use drugs to win...

Everything in the virtual world must be earned in the virtual world. As soon as RL money interfere its ruined. Its a RPG...

Ok, than i am a cheater and you hopefully dont play on my server... otherwise perhaps you could be angry that i got some good equip without beeing workless and playing all day. By the way: using speed hacks is using like drugs in sport... buying gold is like letting someone else doing the training for you.. nothing big... thank god we live in a free world with globalism and and a almost free economy via internet with almost no restriction by laws.
by the way: the new law in china will change nothing. keep dreaming, as long as the people are willing to pay, the gold will be delivered.

[Ligisttomten]

The Escapist : News : China Hasn't Banned Gold Farming After All

Let the gold spamm commence! Ni Hao.

[AkzoNoble]

Good to hear, was even not logical that china would enforce a law that inhibits cashflow from the western world to china...

[riwdlytt]

Originally Posted by AkzoNoble

Ok, than i am a cheater and you hopefully dont play on my server... otherwise perhaps you could be angry that i got some good equip without beeing workless and playing all day. By the way: using speed hacks is using like drugs in sport... buying gold is like letting someone else doing the training for you.. nothing big... thank god we live in a free world with globalism and and a almost free economy via internet with almost no restriction by laws.
by the way: the new law in china will change nothing. keep dreaming, as long as the people are willing to pay, the gold will be delivered.

Nothing can give me greater pleasure than reporting cheaters and getting them banned from game. Personal thing really. Principles you know...

Do you think you will get better if someone else is training for you? I dont think you know anything about sports and training...

You dont deserve better equipment unless you earn it in game. Thats just the way it is. Cheating is cheating...

A free world and a free economy only works if there are laws and rules. Without that there will be anarchy and chaos and criminals will rule, honest people will suffer.

[Ligisttomten]

I don't really hate the gold sellers, they are just trying to put food on the table. People I really hate are the ones who buy the gold in the first place. If you are one of those, SHAME. ON. YOU. You suck. It's because of YOU we endure all the spamm and obnoxious bots in MMO's. I hope you get hit by a toilet from space.

[AkzoNoble]

Originally Posted by riwdlytt

Nothing can give me greater pleasure than reporting cheaters and getting them banned from game. Personal thing really. Principles you know...

Ok... but plz tell me how you will recognize a gold buyer in game? Thats the problem: there is no difference to other players...

Originally Posted by riwdlytt

Do you think you will get better if someone else is training for you? I dont think you know anything about sports and training...

Yes, i will get better in game, while spending less time.

Originally Posted by riwdlytt

A free world and a free economy only works if there are laws and rules. Without that there will be anarchy and chaos and criminals will rule, honest people will suffer.

I love the internet. No Rules, no laws, anonymity. And freedom of expression!

Last note on the topic from my side:
Many people forget that playing games is to have fun. And anything that will reduce the annoying things in game and increasing the fun, without any disadvantages for other people should be tolerated. If you dont like how the things work in mmorpgs(and they all work the same way) and cant have fun along with other players then you should play something else.

[Unddu]

Originally Posted by AkzoNoble

Ok... but plz tell me how you will recognize a gold buyer in game? Thats the problem: there is no difference to other players...

Yes, i will get better in game, while spending less time.

I love the internet. No Rules, no laws, anonymity. And freedom of expression!

Last note on the topic from my side:
Many people forget that playing games is to have fun. And anything that will reduce the annoying things in game and increasing the fun, without any disadvantages for other people should be tolerated. If you dont like how the things work in mmorpgs(and they all work the same way) and cant have fun along with other players then you should play something else.

... You won't get better, you will just *look* better. Let's play a game and pay for it. And then pay someone else to play the game for you. You sir, win the internetz.

[riwdlytt]

Originally Posted by AkzoNoble

Ok... but plz tell me how you will recognize a gold buyer in game? Thats the problem: there is no difference to other players...

Yes, i will get better in game, while spending less time.

I love the internet. No Rules, no laws, anonymity. And freedom of expression!

Last note on the topic from my side:
Many people forget that playing games is to have fun. And anything that will reduce the annoying things in game and increasing the fun, without any disadvantages for other people should be tolerated. If you dont like how the things work in mmorpgs(and they all work the same way) and cant have fun along with other players then you should play something else.

The company will have to be able to recognize obvious gold buyers. Like if a level1 character called "gfhtyte" gives 10000 gold to a level50 character called "Rakssen". Then "Rakssen" is under investigation and warned next day.

If you dont have time to play the game you should not cheat to get better than people that play...

I play games to have fun. Cheaters are ruining my fun. And they should all get banned. I certainly have fun with other players that are legit. That dont use hacks, run bots or buy gold...
You are sad if you dont understand that buying gold gives you a big advantage compared to people that refuse to do that. If there was no advantage people would certainly not pay...Obvious!
And people that feel they have to cheat should play something else and not ruin legit players gaming fun.