Bots and Gold sellers

[Sabre]

Originally Posted by birdman

I have to agree with Calindor. The people RMTing are the people who are going to be at the top, I plan to be one of those people.

What I do hope is that Aion does something to combat RMTing so I don't have to do it in the first place.

Not sure I've ever read a post that is more off in my life lol..The people who RMT who aren't considered "gilsellers/farmers" from companies are the noobs who can't keep up otherwise. Equipment is far from everything. Sure, those who have the majority of the money in the game will run the economy and benefit from it more, just like in real life. However, there will be many players who don't RMT that have more money than those who do. If you have hundreds of dollars to waste into a video game by buying currency, then go ahead, but don't expect it to "put you on top," you'll only end up disappointed. The ones on top will be the ones who know their class and are moderately wealthy enough to fund a good set of gear to accompany their skill (Basically the ones who play the best) - not the ones who grind to lv50 first or RMT and think they deserve a medal

[Fleiva]

Races not being able to trade each other will surely affect RMT, can't figure how much tho.

[Birdman]

Originally Posted by Sabre

Not sure I've ever read a post that is more off in my life lol..The people who RMT who aren't considered "gilsellers/farmers" from companies are the noobs who can't keep up otherwise.

How many MMO's have you played? Buying currency in a game is a massive advantage. The people who buy it are usually the people who are extremely dedicated to the game, so much so that they would put their wallet in it as well. I don't see how they are "noobs" when they (including me) will probably play the game a lot more and advance quickly.

Equipment is far from everything. Sure, those who have the majority of the money in the game will run the economy and benefit from it more, just like in real life. However, there will be many players who don't RMT that have more money than those who do.

Once again, we DON'T KNOW HOW THE GAME IS GOING TO BE RUN. I even said that in my post. I hope that gear isn't the only factor when it comes to pvp, but it might be like so many games. Here, how's this for example. 2 players are equally skilled at the game, 1 rmt's, the other doesn't. I wonder who would win in a fight.

If you have hundreds of dollars to waste into a video game by buying currency, then go ahead, but don't expect it to "put you on top," you'll only end up disappointed. The ones on top will be the ones who know their class and are moderately wealthy enough to fund a good set of gear to accompany their skill (Basically the ones who play the best) - not the ones who grind to lv50 first or RMT and think they deserve a medal

You act like by RMTing, you some how are less skilled. This couldn't be more wrong. I do have hundreds of dollars to waste on a video game. I don't expect the RMTing to put me on top, I expect to be there from playing the game AND having the best sh*t.

I'm not ebaying a character here, I'm buying a sword because I'm too lazy to farm money. That time I save by not farming money I use towards learning my class better. You see how that works out?

Once again, this all depends on how Aion is made. If it's L2 style where you pretty much HAVE to buy adina to get decent items, I'll be deeply saddened but I will oblige if the game is good enough in my opinion to be worth the cost.

It's like in Soccer, you need cleats to dig into the ground so you don't slip. Better cleats give you better motion which gives you an advantage in the game. I could spend a ridiculous amount of time making my own cleats, or, I could buy some really quickly and then go and get better at soccer.

[Endrance]

I simply don't want to be forced to invest more real money into a game (not just because of the money, but because it's stupid) just because the developers failed and RMT *****es from ahole companies are doing the "work" (the failure of the game/laziness of developers) for me.
All that just to be on the top list? You must have a problem with your self-confidence if something broken up as that actually satisfies you and makes you think you "succeeded", since you in fact failed at playing the actual game, even if some parts suck. You either quit or go through them, otherwise you're a weak loser going for the wrong goal, making your own personal rules.

I'm not ebaying a character here, I'm buying a sword because I'm too lazy to farm money. That time I save by not farming money I use towards learning my class better. You see how that works out?
- You see, the point is. Developers and Publishers are supposed to make the rules for their game (be making them as they are).
You are not supposed to do that. But you still do it. Other people are trying to play fair and go through the **** parts, because RMTing overall is a ****ing bad thing to do and to have in a game.
Since this means that you're ONLY thinking about yourself, you are weak and you fail at playing the game. Got that?

Birdman, let me ask you. Do you hack other people's accounts? Or if you can't, would you do it if you could?

You act like by RMTing, you some how are less skilled. This couldn't be more wrong. I do have hundreds of dollars to waste on a video game. I don't expect the RMTing to put me on top, I expect to be there from playing the game AND having the best sh*t.
- That's the main point. I don't want to waste hundreds of dollars on that game. Many people cannot or don't want to foolishly pay that much for a game. And why should being one of the best players in a game be about how much real money you want to invest? That's fking stupid (if you even can - the people who cannot afford that are directly destined unable to be one of the best? LOL?). I want to play it by paying a reasonable amount of money for the developers to keep it up. You shouldn't "have to" waste money on a game to be on the top list or get the best gear in a reasonable amount of time. If you have to, the game fails. If the game fails, you quit. If you don't and cheat, you fail just as much as the game does by allowing the developers to keep it running. It's illogical, unless you're a complete ego-maniac. Being an ego-maniac is sick again, hence it's wrong and you should do something about it. See, it always ends up in me being right.

[Livvy]

just because the developers failed and RMT *****es from ahole companies are doing the "work" (the failure of the game/laziness of developers) for me.

This is the key-sentence. Buying gold to progress shouldn't even be something you'd consider .This has to do with the actual design of the game . It starts with that ....

[Endrance]

Originally Posted by Livvy

This is the key-sentence. Buying gold to progress shouldn't even be something you'd consider .This has to do with the actual design of the game . It starts with that ....

And? The game doesn't force you to do it, it just deludes people to. Although it's correct that this is the main reason, it's not the only key, it's just a part of the key. If people were judicious enough to call it useless (at least a not worthy compromise) and not do it, it wouldn't matter if the game had hard/monotonous parts, at least about the RMT problem (of course, the game would still have an sometimes almost unbearable issue). Removing the farming/money issue from MMORPGs wouldn't stop RMTs or losers from hacking people's accounts, if you're completely realistically.
So we could say, we're both right and they're wrong.
I just can't stand people who have the same goal as me, but keep arguing against the moral and ethical, logical part. I think you're right, but I also think that I am completely right, even if you think it might not change much, it's still essential and necessary to think like that.

[2aimless]

Originally Posted by Livvy

This is the key-sentence. Buying gold to progress shouldn't even be something you'd consider .This has to do with the actual design of the game . It starts with that ....

Try to develop the game in a real situation to prevent everyone from cheating.
ok we need:
- no skill! So all noobs dont have to get aimbots/invinciblehax/speedhax
- no costs for items! You just klick the items you want and you have it
- less content! So people dont have to waste their lifetime or using bots
- no other ppl! So you wont feel like someone is better then you
- no game! So that RMTs can only sell wireless cables...

Well how about utopia.
We need:
- Rules that forbid cheating! Oh wow thats nice we got that already...
- Enough Content! So if you dislike a part do something else.. ah well nice some games are so innovativ and got something like that already??
- Fair Players! Oh crap thats impossible. Well mabye if people like Calindor and birdman just stop being ****oles? Then we would have MORE!! UH nice thats a good idea.


There many things missing i know but this is enough in my oppinion...

[Isley]

As expected, it didn't take too long before I was IP banned from this site.

Good luck everyone. I'll be seeing you soon

[Livvy]

Try to develop the game in a real situation to prevent everyone from cheating.
ok we need:
- no skill! So all noobs dont have to get aimbots/invinciblehax/speedhax
- no costs for items! You just klick the items you want and you have it
- less content! So people dont have to waste their lifetime or using bots
- no other ppl! So you wont feel like someone is better then you
- no game! So that RMTs can only sell wireless cables...

- no : balanced skills , not depending primarily on what gear you have ( guild wars is prime example of that )

- no: but the other extreme is asking 1.5 million of whatever currency while droprate is about 50 max /kill ( think L 2 here )
- no: content so whatever style of playing you prefer ,there's always something to do with satisfying rewards ( it hasn't have to be easy,but enjoyable ) . Completely designing a game towards the goal of having to raid with 14 or 24 other folks , and no other means to achieve what you want , isn't really imaginative ( WoW is prime example , the only way to obtain any tier 4-5 set is raiding the same dungeons over and over, also due to the crappy way loot is distributed - my priest has raided karazhan countless times but still hasn't even got one token drop for her . I have come to the point they can stick that entire armor where the Sun don't shine ) .
- no, but design a game so it doesn't force you into doing something you don't enjoy .If you don't enjoy raiding the same dungeon over and over , it shouldn't force you to do that in order to get the nice rewards you want . Offer an alternative ( PvE-linked ) means.
- it's simply a matter of balancing the droprate with the items- leveling.You should always be able to upgrade your armor when it's necessary with cash to spare .
- if you implement the above and combat bots with gusto , you'd see those diminish pretty darn fast.

it wouldn't matter if the game had hard/monotonous parts, at least about the RMT problem (of course, the game would still have an sometimes almost unbearable issue). Removing the farming/money issue from MMORPGs wouldn't stop RMTs or losers from hacking people's accounts, if you're completely realistically.

I'm pretty sure you'd notice the number of bots decreasing rapidly though....

[Cyclonis]

I think you should be able to PK anyone anywhere. Even your own faction. See a farmer...kill em. See someone standing around yelling out some damn website info for buying gold...kill em. Someone opens trade with you and throws some gear in saying buy my stuff...kill em. You see someone with a stand or whatever open with some apple for 5mil...kill em. Make their life hell I say. And, Kill them all!!!


Ok, ok. My wife had a good question about in town PK'ing.(Keona). And the fact that most games don't allow it. Which is in fact where most bots hang out.....let the GM's kill them and make it to where they can loot them after the kill. lol Just need to have an active reporting system for this to happen and there ya go. Lvl 1 bots running for their lives!!! lmao A sight to see I'm sure.

[SoraNashimi]

Lol that would be fun to see hehe, too bad though, PKing brings to much complications into the game, as in higher lvls and d0uch3s just doing it for no reason, just because they are bored...

[Cyclonis]

True.....but, there could be penalties for killing someone "x" lvls lower than you. Like you die as well....."go ahead and kill me!! I'll take ya with me." Maybe people will then think about pking someone lower in Lvl than them self.

As for buying currency...get a life people.
*points at all those who buy currency*

That has to be the saddest thing eva!!! lmao you just bought monopoly money.
Why don't these people just gather around and burn their money. At least then it could serve as a side purpose to keep ya warm. LOSERS!!!

[Kaldur]

Originally Posted by Endrance

It's illogical, unless you're a complete ego-maniac. Being an ego-maniac is sick again, hence it's wrong and you should do something about it. See, it always ends up in me being right.

Nothing personal End, was just funny to see the contradiction. Ironic

[2aimless]

Originally Posted by Cyclonis

Just need to have an active reporting system for this to happen and there ya go. Lvl 1 bots running for their lives!!! lmao A sight to see I'm sure.

Thats what im waiting for... Hopefully there will be a time where this happens...

I like the killing solution... Well but against the professional botters/farmers it aint a good solution. I remember my time when i played cabal online. It was not very popular and there was no advertise and so rmts and botter and mofos just didnt care about that game. Well i was highlevel already when the game went f2p *cry*

Few weeks later i spammed over the global chat that i give everyone 100K if he can show me a bot farming. Well not much money but the bots were farming in low levelareas only atthat time. So i traveled along the country and pked them

Well after solving the noobtestbots problem for a while they came back some days later. So killed the first. He lost all hp but he kinda revived without life. He just went on killing and i couldnt attack him anymore because "you cant attack dead targets"... Wtf well soon **** started.. some friends lost there accounts because someone hacked them... well after all i decided to quit.

Well i forgot after they noticed rmt is going well, the ingame casshop started to offer imba items and made ingame money not very necessary anymore...

because they bought an item in shop and sold it for billions...

oma gad im typing to much... this is still bothering me

[Cyclonis]

Originally Posted by 2aimless

Thats what im waiting for... Hopefully there will be a time where this happens...

I like the killing solution... Well but against the professional botters/farmers it aint a good solution. I remember my time when i played cabal online. It was not very popular and there was no advertise and so rmts and botter and mofos just didnt care about that game. Well i was highlevel already when the game went f2p *cry*

Few weeks later i spammed over the global chat that i give everyone 100K if he can show me a bot farming. Well not much money but the bots were farming in low levelareas only atthat time. So i traveled along the country and pked them

Well after solving the noobtestbots problem for a while they came back some days later. So killed the first. He lost all hp but he kinda revived without life. He just went on killing and i couldnt attack him anymore because "you cant attack dead targets"... Wtf well soon **** started.. some friends lost there accounts because someone hacked them... well after all i decided to quit.

Well i forgot after they noticed rmt is going well, the ingame casshop started to offer imba items and made ingame money not very necessary anymore...

because they bought an item in shop and sold it for billions...

oma gad im typing to much... this is still bothering me

I feel ya...that is the suck for sure. I am going back to my WoW account till Aion comes out. I tried Cabal, but, For me it is too slow. Keona can't stand it either soooo in short, I don't play games without her. We are gonna pvp some and goof around till then. If anyone wants to find me I am the only 1337 Orc Shaman named Cyclonis