A lesson on lore

[Vabjekf]

Originally Posted by Faliandra

why would the elyos do this after they went through one of the rifts to asmodae, and the shedim lords starting to tell them they should curse their seraphim lords? The elyos didnt even attack after that,instead they only refused to do so and said to curse the seraphim lords. THEN, it was the asmodians who attacked them.

If they wanted to come down to elysea so bad, then they should've tried to talk to them, not attack them.

Thats just the elyos side of the story, the asmodian version does not agree.

the only solid facts are the ones i presented

[Alement]

I love the lore of any game, let alone this one. Thanks, good post!

[The_Void]

The lore in this game is really good. In the betas I've read every quest and there really well done and gives you a sense of really progressing through the world.

[xr0yc3x]

Originally Posted by Faliandra

why would the elyos do this after they went through one of the rifts to asmodae, and the shedim lords starting to tell them they should curse their seraphim lords? The elyos didnt even attack after that,instead they only refused to do so and said to curse the seraphim lords. THEN, it was the asmodians who attacked them.

If they wanted to come down to elysea so bad, then they should've tried to talk to them, not attack them.

First of all, they weren't in Asmodae, they were in the Abyss. Second of all, the Elyos were aggressive towards the Asmodians, casting judgement on them when they came through the Abyss portal. The Elyos drew their swords, being arrogant. They didn't know what they were up against and neither did the Asmodians. Neither had any clue of each others existence. The Elyos were only charged after they drew their blades. It says so clearly in the lore. I'll show you with a quote <3

We hadn't travelled long when we found a group of men, claiming to be from the lower half of Atreia, standing in their stead, their weapons drawn. These beings looked like angels, and though they said little, they cast judgment on us instantly. Imagine - being judged for a crime that they, not we, had committed! It was not us who had been soft-hearted cretins, welcoming the Dragon Lords into our tower during full-scale war - it was them!

Zikel's rage was more than evident, and he threw these "Elyos" to the ground, demanding they curse Nezakan, one of the Empyrean Lords who was weak enough to call for peace with the Balaur. Time, Zikel spat, had proven which side was at fault. Would these Elyos acknowledge their Lords' mistake, and condemn them for their foolishness?

Their leader, a man named Deltras, refused. With the pride that we now know is the taint of all the Elyos, he piously refused to blame his own Lords, cursing Zikel instead. Swords were drawn, and we charged, cutting them down like the cowards that they were. Still, some of their numbers escaped; most fled towards our home city where in their anger they butchered our women and children before we finished them. Two fled back to their homeland, bloodied but not vanquished. Not yet.

GG

[Faliandra]

Originally Posted by Vabjekf

Thats just the elyos side of the story, the asmodian version does not agree.

the only solid facts are the ones i presented

let me quote the asmodian part on this:

"We hadn?t travelled long when we found a group of men, claiming to be from the lower half of Atreia, standing in their stead, their weapons drawn. These beings looked like angels, and though they said little, they cast judgment on us instantly. Imagine - being judged for a crime that they, not us, had committed! It was not us who had been soft-hearted cretins, welcoming the Dragon Lords into our tower during full-scale war - it was them!

Zikel?s rage was more than evident, and he threw these ?Elyos? to the ground, demanding they curse Nezakan, one of the Empyrean Lords who was weak enough to call for peace with the Balaur. Time, Zikel spat, had proven which side was at fault. Would these Elyos acknowledge their Lords? mistake, and condemn them for their foolishness?

Their leader, a man named Deltras, refused. With the pride that we now know is the taint of all the Elyos, he piously refused to blame his own Lords, cursing Zikel instead. Swords were drawn, and we charged, cutting them down like the cowards that they were. Still, some of their numbers escaped; most fled towards our home city where in their anger they butchered our women and children before we finished them. Two fled back to their homeland, bloodied but not vanquished. "


its pretty much the same, they had their weapons drawn, but did not attack, you could simply take that as a defensive stance. and then it was zikel who started throwing them to the ground and asked for them to curse one of their seraphim lords. They refused, and cursed Zikel instead, which is only natural after he tried to make them curse their own lords. Then it was the asmodians who attacked the elyos.

Yes if I was an elyos and I had this happen to me, I'd never even think of sharing the lower half of Artreia with them. If they would've talked, then this possibly could've happened, even though it's not for sure, since the elyos still think it was their fault, and their arrogance could lead them to think that the asmodians deserved what they got.

[Distilledwill]

Its obvious that neither side is evil, but I guess the constant accusation from Elyos players against the Asmos and visa versa just adds to the perpetuation of a rich storyline. If an asmo player truly feels righteous killing Elyos then he is getting into the character! I think its great that people are throwing insults back and forth, its like the "Asmodians are Beautiful" "Elyos are Beautiful" thread which sparked endless debate. It all just adds to the feel of the game.


Anyway, on the subject of the Asmo appearance. I was lead to understand that it came about as they ended up being on the underside of the world and so shaded from sunlight etc. This was mentioned in that video of Liv giving that presentation somewhere... cant remember!
One of the disappointing things that came out of that vid was that she said, because the Elyos recieved the sunlight and felt blessed by Aion, the Elyos became arrogant and began asking for the Asmos to bow down to them. I'm going to play Elyos myself and I think its a shame that the devs have an inbuilt arrogance for the Elyos - if an arrogance should arise amongst players I'm all for it! But if its a negative character trait which is an unavoidable element of the Elyos race, well, it feels a little inflexible.

[Faliandra]

Originally Posted by xr0yc3x

First of all, they weren't in Asmodae, they were in the Abyss. Second of all, the Elyos were aggressive towards the Asmodians, casting judgement on them when they came through the Abyss portal. The Elyos drew their swords, being arrogant. They didn't know what they were up against and neither did the Asmodians. Neither had any clue of each others existence. The Elyos were only charged after they drew their blades. It says so clearly in the lore. I'll show you with a quote <3



GG

yup, I just quoted this part myself in response to someone else's comment. Ok, maybe I've misread the part whether it was Asmodaw or Abyss, my bad. Still, having your weapons drawn can be considered as only being in a defensive stance, since, as you said it yourself, they didn't know what they were up to.

It also says "These beings looked like angels, and though they said little, they cast judgment on us instantly.", which sounds like a prejudicement from the asmodians' side, since "they said little".

And once again, obviously Zikel provoked them, and they STILL didn't attack, they only defended their own empyrean lord and cursed Zikel himself. THEN, the asmodians started the attack.

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Originally Posted by Distilledwill

Its obvious that neither side is evil, but I guess the constant accusation from Elyos players against the Asmos and visa versa just adds to the perpetuation of a rich storyline. If an asmo player truly feels righteous killing Elyos then he is getting into the character! I think its great that people are throwing insults back and forth, its like the "Asmodians are Beautiful" "Elyos are Beautiful" thread which sparked endless debate. It all just adds to the feel of the game.


Anyway, on the subject of the Asmo appearance. I was lead to understand that it came about as they ended up being on the underside of the world and so shaded from sunlight etc. This was mentioned in that video of Liv giving that presentation somewhere... cant remember!
One of the disappointing things that came out of that vid was that she said, because the Elyos recieved the sunlight and felt blessed by Aion, the Elyos became arrogant and began asking for the Asmos to bow down to them. I'm going to play Elyos myself and I think its a shame that the devs have an inbuilt arrogance for the Elyos - if an arrogance should arise amongst players I'm all for it! But if its a negative character trait which is an unavoidable element of the Elyos race, well, it feels a little inflexible.

I agree, it's good when you can get into the storyline of the game, I'm not really into roleplaying much...I like to see people RPing, but I don't think it's my thing, yet I catch myself writing "we" and "our", when trying to talk about the elyos, and "you" and "yours" when talking about the asmodians...lol...yes, I'm totally getting into it, and I also like the fun insults (e.g. Emodians etc...)...but it also is important to keep it at that FUN LEVEL. People should not really hate players just because they belong to the other race. It shouldn't be more than taunting. After all, it's really just a game.

about the elyos being arrogant.....hmmmm, to be honest, I kinda like being an arrogant prick, it's fun to act as one for me

I prefer that to "Oh noes, we must live in this dark and cold world, we have suffered so much" blah blah.

[xr0yc3x]

Originally Posted by Faliandra

yup, I just quoted this part myself in response to someone else's comment. Ok, maybe I've misread the part whether it was Asmodaw or Abyss, my bad. Still, having your weapons drawn can be considered as only being in a defensive stance, since, as you said it yourself, they didn't know what they were up to.

It also says "These beings looked like angels, and though they said little, they cast judgment on us instantly.", which sounds like a prejudicement from the asmodians' side, since "they said little".

And once again, obviously Zikel provoked them, and they STILL didn't attack, they only defended their own empyrean lord and cursed Zikel himself. THEN, the asmodians started the attack.

sigh you just don't understand do you? the reason for this is not because they are peaceful angels, it's because they were scared. imagine being an Elyos and confronting a large group of beastial asmodians that looked ready to kill you. would you be scared? i know sure as hell i would. of course Zikel attacked first, he's Asmodian, they're of course more aggressive. i never said the elyos attacked or that they were worse or more aggressive than the asmodians. They didn't attack the asmodians themselves, they knew they would get pwned, instead they ran away from them, jumping into the asmodian portal and slaughtering their women and children before getting caught up with by the asmos and getting totally pwned. does that sound very honorable to you? now of course the asmodians aren't very honorable either as they started the fight by throwing the elyos on the ground, which leads to my point that neither sides are good, both are bad and the balaur are evil. also, you make it sound like the asmodians are whining when you edited your post there. yes their lives were ruined but did they sit there and cut themselves? no, they adapted and survived and now they're coming to dominate. good day, sir.

dont bother posting unless you got something positive to say because i have more troll spray where that came from.

[Megad00mer]

The lore purposely keeps this vague. Did Lord Asphel kill the Balaur? Was it someone else and Asphel was simply moving to try and stop them? Was it all a set up by the Balaur to initiate an attack? It's all debatable and that's one of the marks of great lore. Mysteries that can be discussed and thought about by the fans. Neither side, Asmodians or Elyos are "good" or "evil". They're both simply opposing sides in a war who blame the other for what happened to their world. To the Elyos, the Asmodians are evil monsters whose bloodthirsty nature brought Atreia to ruin. To the Asmodians, the Elyos are ignorant judgemental weaklings who's lack of foresight split their world in two.

Who's to say who's right and who's wrong?

[xr0yc3x]

Originally Posted by Megad00mer

The lore purposely keeps this vague. Did Lord Asphel kill the Balaur? Was it someone else and Asphel was simply moving to try and stop them? Was it all a set up by the Balaur to initiate an attack? It's all debatable and that's one of the marks of great lore. Mysteries that can be discussed and thought about by the fans. Neither side, Asmodians or Elyos are "good" or "evil". They're both simply opposing sides in a war who blame the other for what happened to their world. To the Elyos, the Asmodians are evil monsters whose bloodthirsty nature brought Atreia to ruin. To the Asmodians, the Elyos are ignorant judgemental weaklings who's lack of foresight split their world in two.

Who's to say who's right and who's wrong?

nice job summing up my post :P

and i agree.. lets everyone have their own imagination of what happened.

[Vabjekf]

Originally Posted by Faliandra

let me quote the asmodian part on this:

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'cast judgement'

If the world had been split in two, your people bairly survived, and then you meet some other people who have weapons out and blame you for it when it was their fault (probably acting like total pricks), i would be ashamed if the asmos did not kill them were they stood.

Thats not being 'evil', thats defending your honor

[Faliandra]

Originally Posted by xr0yc3x

sigh you just don't understand do you? the reason for this is not because they are peaceful angels, it's because they were scared. imagine being an Elyos and confronting a large group of beastial asmodians that looked ready to kill you. would you be scared? i know sure as hell i would. of course Zikel attacked first, he's Asmodian, they're of course more aggressive. i never said the elyos attacked or that they were worse or more aggressive than the asmodians. They didn't attack the asmodians themselves, they knew they would get pwned, instead they ran away from them, jumping into the asmodian portal and slaughtering their women and children before getting caught up with by the asmos and getting totally pwned. does that sound very honorable to you? now of course the asmodians aren't very honorable either as they started the fight by throwing the elyos on the ground, which leads to my point that neither sides are good, both are bad and the balaur are evil. also, you make it sound like the asmodians are whining when you edited your post there. yes their lives were ruined but did they sit there and cut themselves? no, they adapted and survived and now they're coming to dominate. good day, sir.

dont bother posting unless you got something positive to say because i have more troll spray where that came from.

well thank you, all you can come up with is insulting me, telling again and again how I apparently don't understand the lore. You were just telling me that Zikel attacked first because he is more aggressive, which is one of the things I've been trying to say for the whole time...Asmodians are more aggressive/offensive, they're more into the whole war thing. And this is EXACTLY what makes them worse IN MY POINT OF VIEW.

imagine being an Elyos and confronting a large group of beastial asmodians that looked ready to kill you. would you be scared? i know sure as hell i would.

see,your saying it yourself. That's exactly the definition of asmodians that i get from the lore, which IMO makes them the bad guys. BUT THEN AGAIN THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION. God, you just don't get it.

I find it just so amusing how you keep insulting me when I'm just trying to explain my own point of view, while you think everything you say is right and only your opinion counts, and on top of that, calling me a troll for this. I wasn't even intending on starting a fight or insulting anyone here, I was just having fun explaining my own point of view.

Oh and please, not everyone here is a "sir". sorry to disappoint you. Maybe you missed out on the fact that there's plenty of female players in Aion. GG.

Originally Posted by Vabjekf

'cast judgement'

If the world had been split in two, your people bairly survived, and then you meet some other people who have weapons out and blame you for it when it was their fault (probably acting like total pricks), i would be ashamed if the asmos did not kill them were they stood.

Thats not being 'evil', thats defending your honor

that's like if someone calls you a jerk, and you take a knife and stab him.

And again, the asmodians started with blaming it on the elyos.

[PandemicGamer]

I agree. Good lore writers, I'm looking forward to follow up on more lore.

[xr0yc3x]

Originally Posted by Faliandra

well thank you, all you can come up with is insulting me, telling again and again how I apparently don't understand the lore. You were just telling me that Zikel attacked first because he is more aggressive, which is one of the things I've been trying to say for the whole time...Asmodians are more aggressive/offensive, they're more into the whole war thing. And this is EXACTLY what makes them worse IN MY POINT OF VIEW.



see,your saying it yourself. That's exactly the definition of asmodians that i get from the lore, which IMO makes them the bad guys. BUT THEN AGAIN THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION. God, you just don't get it.

I find it just so amusing how you keep insulting me when I'm just trying to explain my own point of view, while you think everything you say is right and only your opinion counts, and on top of that, calling me a troll for this. I wasn't even intending on starting a fight or insulting anyone here, I was just having fun explaining my own point of view.

also i never insulted you once. unless you find being called a troll very insulting... in which case... you shouldn't be trolling.

Oh and please, not everyone here is a "sir". sorry to disappoint you. Maybe you missed out on the fact that there's plenty of female players in Aion. GG.

It's an expression. i've referred to you as a female in every other post.

ontopic: you aren't sharing your point of view you're trying to tell everyone that the elyos are angelic and peaceful and do no wrong while the asmodians are beasts that are evil and only want to fight. and it's a fact that you don't understand the lore, i dont know about right now after all my posts you've read but before you were going on and on about things you didn't even know about. whether you like it or not you're still being a troll by coming in here and saying the exact opposite of what i posted instead of simply saying you disagree.

my only problem is you could be influencing other peoples faction decision by going around posting crap like "asmodians are the evil race and only want blood cause they're bad and THEY started the war it was one of the shedim lords that killed the dragon lord to trigger the fall of the tower" that's just a load of ignorant BS. you read the lore with a closed mind my friend.

[Toxin]

With the thing of Elyos allowing Asmodians to live with them. If Elyos actually let the Asmodians into Elysea, the Asmodians would just start attacking because they want revenge.