Grind Party?

[Tez]

Originally Posted by Marchosias

Please, Tez, please, stop calling it laziness. It's not a matter of laziness, it's a matter of how you like to play the game. In WoW the destination wasn't just max level, there was plenty to do after that. Granted, I don't think raiding is a wonderful thing, but WoW really did start at 60. I'd be happy with getting maxed out and then PvPing to be honest. Yah, the journey is great, but what's the journey worth if you don't enjoy the destination? If you want a grind fest that's going to take ages to max out, I hate to say, but Aion might just be the wrong game for you... The devs have said they're continuing the Lineage series in its usual tradition.

Furthermore, the difference between hardcore and casual gamers isn't a matter of months, it's a matter of percents. You can't really have a game where hardcore players are getting maxed in 4 months and casual in 6. If hardcore are getting maxed in 4 months I'd say realistically speaking for a casual gamer you're looking at 8-12 months minimum, and that's with a rest exp system like WoW's.

Originally Posted by Postiez

I lol'd

About the laziness issue,

There is NO way a gamer to be too lazy to play a video game. When people don't want to play a game, its not because they are lazy, its because the game is work, not fun. Why would you ever want to play a game that is not fun for four months.

let me reword it sorry my bad

its lazy as hell for the players who say "i wont play a game that takes more then a month to get max level"

no offense but thats a dumb a$$ excuse to not play a game cause you are not willing to see the rest of the game because your "lazy" a$$ cant focus on leveling and doing the other parts of the game as well

not all as i did say but for those are saying it that way it just seems lazy to me....has nothing to do with work....some games leveling with ur guild in parties is a way to form bonds which is a part of a "mmo" so do it and stop whining about how long it took you to get to max level

also who says you need to get max level to enjoy a game? lol the max level fairy?

[davidmoore]

I started my NE Hunter in WoW back when the game came out. I just hit 68 a month ago (still 68 right now) and I just got a epic ground mount for the first time just recently. I'm the epitome of casual.

[Ecronyte]

Tez, I agree that there is always a lot to enjoy in "the journey". I am not the type to grind for max lvl as fast as I can. Some people hurry so fast to the top, not only do they not stop to smell the flowers, they don't even see them. Hearing people brag about getting max lvl in like 5 days reminds me of someone bragging they swallowed thanksgiving dinner in one gulp. I'd rather taste the food. In L2 I spent a lot of time exploring, goofing around, finding ways to make the game enjoyable to me.

I made a lot of great friends in L2 as well. And they are the reason I played as long as I did, and the reason why I got any enjoyment out of the game after playing so long.

To me lvl cap and how long it takes to get there is absolutely irrelevant. As long as the entire process is enjoyable. And I can get enjoyment out of the game before cap and after.

If "building bonds" in a guild party, grinding in the same spot all day, and doing the same repetitive quests over and over is all the game has to offer, I won't play it no matter how easy it is to hit cap.

It has nothing to do with laziness, and everything to do with whether or not I get enjoyment out of the game.

For those that enjoy boring number grinds, a general lack of content, and the bonds that mind numbing gameplay creates. You can always cross your fingers and hope for L3.

[Meleoffs]

Originally Posted by Fayeth

Psh 1 month! what a disappointment... Im loving the FFXI lvling now been playing a week and only just hit 20 whmg/10 blm (blm is actually 12 but you know.. half the lvl deal..) ..... i blew wow out of teh water it was WAY to easy. 1-70 max professions epic mounts and all heroic keys in just under 3 weeks 60-70 on another in 5 days. If the lvling goes that fast then i really hope crafting or getting gear mounts takes a bit more time, i'd like to have to put in some effort.

Lvling on FFXI is relatively fast if you are a WHM, it really would have been better if you rolled on my server, because to get to the level 25+ area, you need someone higher level to get you the keys, even more so, since you are a WHM. >.>

I saw someone go from lvl 1 to about 15 levels higher than me in about a week on FFXI, and I'm around level 41. It all depends on luck, and the time you have to play. This weekend I was on my NIN and I went from 24 to 31 in one party, (I furgut I de-leveled my classes ) which took about 6ish hours.

Crafting on FFXI is insanely hard, and expensive, and not rewarding at all until higher craft levels.

[TwilightWaits]

Yay for Goldsmiths in FFXI x-x

Seriously, though, I'm about as stoked as it gets right now. More importantly, we know Ayase is lurking about somewhere...maybe we'll get some details concerning a US beta some time soon, hmm, oh ever present and moderately omniscent NCSoft Community rep? ^.^;

For the record (and so I can stay relatively on topic), I'm surprised at how low the system req's are, save for that behemoth installation recommendation x-x I'm gonna have to go out and get a new HDD so I can have room to install it.

*sigh* So much for getting that copy of The Witcher to tide me over till Aion comes out.

Why can't it be 2008 now?

*throws a table* (f*o*f) === |__|

[Tez]

Originally Posted by Ecronyte

Tez, I agree that there is always a lot to enjoy in "the journey". I am not the type to grind for max lvl as fast as I can. Some people hurry so fast to the top, not only do they not stop to smell the flowers, they don't even see them. Hearing people brag about getting max lvl in like 5 days reminds me of someone bragging they swallowed thanksgiving dinner in one gulp. I'd rather taste the food. In L2 I spent a lot of time exploring, goofing around, finding ways to make the game enjoyable to me.

I made a lot of great friends in L2 as well. And they are the reason I played as long as I did, and the reason why I got any enjoyment out of the game after playing so long.

To me lvl cap and how long it takes to get there is absolutely irrelevant. As long as the entire process is enjoyable. And I can get enjoyment out of the game before cap and after.

If "building bonds" in a guild party, grinding in the same spot all day, and doing the same repetitive quests over and over is all the game has to offer, I won't play it no matter how easy it is to hit cap.

It has nothing to do with laziness, and everything to do with whether or not I get enjoyment out of the game.

For those that enjoy boring number grinds, a general lack of content, and the bonds that mind numbing gameplay creates. You can always cross your fingers and hope for L3.

you couldnt have said it better ....nicely put....thats why i dont care if it takes 2 years to get to max level like it did when i played knight online ....i had the best time in that game cause of the guild and all the crap you could do...but alas to many dupers and macroers ruined it and i moved on

[Cynthe]

Originally Posted by Tezâ„¢

you couldnt have said it better ....nicely put....thats why i dont care if it takes 2 years to get to max level like it did when i played knight online ....i had the best time in that game cause of the guild and all the crap you could do...but alas to many dupers and macroers ruined it and i moved on

A lot of what you say has merit, but what doesn't is to nullify how other people want to play, if it takes you 2 years to reach max level I can guarantee you I never will... And as much as I enjoy the leveling journey and believe me I take my time and do almost everything along the way, if it takes too long I'll give up. And for once I'd like to see what it's like at the end..

A good game doesn't rely on just leveling to keep you going it has really good content, awesome story and some great PvP. That's why you play, so while you say that you don't care if takes ages to reach max, I ask you why would you care if it takes no time at all? Because the game will end? But if you read the articles it's sorta obvious it won't...

When we look at new games in development we need to do away with preconceptions and really read up and look at what this will be all about, not just what it appears to be.

[Fayeth]

To the people that replyed to me that wow started at 70 or that lvling fast doesnt matter cuz endgame is the real game -- i agree with these states BUT the topic in this thread dicussion was teh levl 1-max in aion adn teh time it would take to complete it o.O So im not really sure why theres a bunch of bashing going on. I just hope that period in time will last a little longer then it did in wow cuz it is a lot of fun in it's own way.

[Marchosias]

/sign Ecronyte's and Cynthe's posts.

@Fayeth, if we stuck strictly to the topic of the original post 90% of these boards wouldn't exist and this discussion would've stopped after it was explained that it'll be a little longer than WoW, about a month for the hardcore.

[Tez]

Originally Posted by Cynthe

A lot of what you say has merit, but what doesn't is to nullify how other people want to play, if it takes you 2 years to reach max level I can guarantee you I never will... And as much as I enjoy the leveling journey and believe me I take my time and do almost everything along the way, if it takes too long I'll give up. And for once I'd like to see what it's like at the end..

A good game doesn't rely on just leveling to keep you going it has really good content, awesome story and some great PvP. That's why you play, so while you say that you don't care if takes ages to reach max, I ask you why would you care if it takes no time at all? Because the game will end? But if you read the articles it's sorta obvious it won't...

When we look at new games in development we need to do away with preconceptions and really read up and look at what this will be all about, not just what it appears to be.

agree but i am not saying it should matter if it takes u 1 day to reach max level....what i am saying is people should not base the game on how long it takes to get max level ....whether it be a day or 10 years....so long as it keeps u interested with the content and all the things you said why would you not play it just cause it takes u many years to get max level.....i said you dont need to reach max level to enjoy a game with ur friends.

reaching max level just to get there the fastest is no fun

[Necrosis]

Originally Posted by Tez™

reaching max level just to get there the fastest is no fun

Oh, but it is. It's all about the burning desire to become stronger. The faster you do it, the better temporary advantage you have until the curve catches up to the wall.

[Ecronyte]

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Oh, but it is. It's all about the burning desire to become stronger. The faster you do it, the better temporary advantage you have until the curve catches up to the wall.

Exactly, thats the appeal. Some play for the fun of the game. Some play for the fun of dominance.

I think the issue with huge grinds is that the gap between the hardcore and the casual player is enormous, and just keeps growing.

Hardcore players will always have an advantage. In lvl, gear, teamwork, etc. I just think that huge number grinds scare casuals off, because it makes them feel hopelessly unable to keep up with the elite gamers.

[Tez]

Originally Posted by Necrosis

Oh, but it is. It's all about the burning desire to become stronger. The faster you do it, the better temporary advantage you have until the curve catches up to the wall.

Originally Posted by Ecronyte

Exactly, thats the appeal. Some play for the fun of the game. Some play for the fun of dominance.

I think the issue with huge grinds is that the gap between the hardcore and the casual player is enormous, and just keeps growing.

Hardcore players will always have an advantage. In lvl, gear, teamwork, etc. I just think that huge number grinds scare casuals off, because it makes them feel hopelessly unable to keep up with the elite gamers.

up to a point yes but to miss out on everything else the game has to offer is pointless and also the plain fact that skill > level but not to say a 20+ level diff would lose even if he had no skill xD.....when i say that skill pwns i mean like 5 levels lower or so player with skill can beat a higher level with no skill

[Necrosis]

Originally Posted by Tez™

up to a point yes but to miss out on everything else the game has to offer is pointless and also the plain fact that skill > level but not to say a 20+ level diff would lose even if he had no skill xD.....when i say that skill pwns i mean like 5 levels lower or so player with skill can beat a higher level with no skill

Too many variables to make assumptions, but a simple generalization would lead me to expect the 10+ hour a day gamer to be more skilled at playing his character than the guy playing 2 hours a day. Unlike talent, skill takes practice and practice eventually comes down to repetition no matter what you're doing.

[Jigalotis]

I find it funny that people who level slow or dont want to invest tiem always mention the huge amount of skill that they have, and how that will allow them to overcome the huge gap that being a slow leveler creates.