Most wanted changes by Korean beta testers.

[Frein]

Originally Posted by Irisviel

Wow.. how about just shut the hell up already? Aion has both features so why do you frickin care? Don't play the god damn game if you think it sucks or Koreans are stupid for not ditching click to move. So what if they are outdated, can YOUR country make a game? FINLAND? GG LOL.

Whoa! Ad hominem ftw, eh?

And yes, Finland can make a game. Look up Remedy on Wikipedia. Death Rally, Max Payne, Alan Wake, ring a bell yet?

[Irisviel]

Originally Posted by Frein

Whoa! Ad hominem ftw, eh?

And yes, Finland can make a game. Look up Remedy on Wikipedia. Death Rally, Max Payne, Alan Wake, ring a bell yet?

Yeah those aren't mmorpgs. Making MMORPG is way harder than single play games like those with balancing issues and all.

[ei8th]

Man, that thread came quite a way

Can't we just agree on the fact that Western players are used to WASD, while Korean players are used to point-and-click? Horses for courses.

[Shilenne]

Originally Posted by Frein

Hold the phone? What? Rotate hands?
You know, I really like to eat steak when I'm gaming, I demand a hands-free system! How about a voice activated interface? Oh wait, that wouldn't work with juicy steak in my mouth... hmm... I got it! Auto-pilot!

Ok that was sarcastic, but you get my point. You don't even need click to move to move your character while talking on the phone as you can press W or whatever key you have as forward movement with your left hand or alternatively hold down both mouse buttons with your right hand. You'll be handicapped holding a phone regardless of how the controls are.


What other side of the party? The other side of the party absolutely needs an outdated and inferior system that they will repeatedly lose with? I'm certain everyone coming into Aion will eventually stop playing with click to move because they get slaughtered in PVP. I'm assuming the PVP mechanics are deep enough that this will happen. If not, the game probably shouldn't try to focus on PVP as it wouldn't be able to compete with WoW unless the abyss system somehow is so great that it blinds people from the shallow combat.


I know it was very huge, practically every game out there today still use it. I've played tons and tons of Korean MMOs, I just can't remember their names but let me try to pull some from the top of my head: RO, Lineage, Legend of Mir, Flyff... and I remember at least a couple more but I only played them for a day or two so I can't remember their names. Anyway, they were all the same with the exception of graphics, and I didn't even mention other games I know but haven't actually played.

Now, you say many of these games are simply so old that they didn't have the chance to use a newer system, perhaps so, but I must stress the fact that WoW did not invent keyboard movement and a game does not have to be newer than WoW to have it. Did they just make a ton of MMOs in 1998 and then suddenly stop? I don't think so. It's true that many of the earlier keyboard movement based MMOs hadn't yet perfected the method, though, and while they provided much tighter response to the player's commands, they were nowhere as smooth as WoW.

Also, Diablo 2 is not an MMO, it's an action game and in case you were wondering, no MMO has ever had gameplay that resembles D2 even if they had click to move and an isometric view.


Yes, too bad it took them so long to realize their system really is outdated.


I didn't claim they've only played those games, I said most of them. I'm pretty confident it's true and not racist in the slightest. Black people have coloured skin! Wow, that was racist!

I don't want to appear hostile towards Koreans, no, I have great respect for them as gamers. I know in the early days some of the greatest WoW players were obviously Korean and I do follow their StarCraft pro league games. I just hope we don't have to resort to paranoid censorship on the forums.

You continue to amuse me lol. You've never actually landed on any points I've pointed out but rather dance on them and trying to defeat them with sarcasm instead.

All the games you named were actually games that were in Korea for a while before they were released in whatever version you got your hands on. Therefore are you saying to me that "oh because they released it in english around the same time as the first version of the new games that were made in US came out, they have to update it to meet the match?" No they dont, just like you chose not to read the actual meaning I've said but rather dance on my word choice instead.

You "know" but "haven't actually played". Hmm, sounds awfully familiar, just like your opinions on Aion. Can you actually say you "know" it well, even though you've never played it? I've played WoW for 3 years, and I still can't say I "know" it entirely. I'm testing Korean beta atm, and I still can't say I "know" the game. I can say, this is what I observed, but it may or may not be the entire fact.

I was refering to the movement system as it is, no, I don't think I'd enjoy having to shift my hand over just to press W to move forward when I'm using my left hand to hold a phone or eat, it's a temporarily solution, does it mean I'll do it when I'm pvping? No, it doesn't. But you see, you fail to realize, characters move around even when they're not killing ppl.

Then again, I'm wasting my precious beta time to talk to the likes of you so I must be no better than you, cheers.

And I find it funny you used the analogy of black people as "coloured" people, actually. To me, they're just people, just like anyone else. Clearly, in your eyes, you DO see the difference first but rather fail to see it as a whole.

Originally Posted by ei8th

Man, that thread came quite a way

Can't we just agree on the fact that Western players are used to WASD, while Korean players are used to point-and-click? Horses for courses.

First of all, this is untrue, and that's all I'm pointing out. It's not a fact, what do you have to base this on? Do you live in Korea? Are you Korean? Do you actually play with or speak to a lot of korean gamers?

Facts are supported with solid background, which I see both you and Frein fail to provide. You've provided me with nothing but biased opinion based on limited observation done from a very distant point of view.

Sort of remind me of the ignorance that white people brought when they "rescued" Africans from their primitive ways, what a way to judge.

[Irisviel]

Originally Posted by ei8th

Man, that thread came quite a way

Can't we just agree on the fact that Western players are used to WASD, while Korean players are used to point-and-click? Horses for courses.

dude.. not every koreans or asians likes to play game in click to move. I am korean, I don't play in such way and I prefer WASD. NCsoft just had their own way of doing stuff. What's the big deal seriously? We are here to talk about Aion, and Aion got both systems so what? some of players actually suggested to remove click to move completely for other use of left click as in to rotate camera with out holding the shift key, I am pretty sure NCsoft will do as what people said cuz holding shift key to rotate camera is really annoying.

[Shilenne]

Just not going to bother even replying, there's a saying in chinese that it's useless to play music to the cows.

[ProphetX]

Originally Posted by Irisviel

BEFORE YOU READ THIS, UNDERSTAND THAT AION IS STILL IN CLOSED BETA STATUS, WHICH MEANS THINGS WILL BE CHANGED WHEN DEVELOPERS THINKS IT IS NECESSARY. DON'T BE AN IDIOT BY SAYING STUFF LIKE "OMG AION IS GOING TO SUCK", I AM SIMPLY LISTING THE COMPLAINS BY KOREANS ON THEIR OFFICIAL FORUMS.

Don't take it too seriously, this is just a list of complains from CLOSED BETA testers, Aion is not even completed yet.


1. 1 min flight time is too short. Not even enough to have 1 aerial combat. Increase the duration of flight time as players level up.
I don't care too much about the flight system. I'll probably be avoiding aerial combat.

2. Not being able to swim in a mmorpg is ridiculous. Testers wants to explore underwater just like WoW and do quests as well.
I admit its a bit upsetting, but it wont really change the game that much for me.

3. Mob respawn timer and number. Some quests asks players to kill 15 of one kind, but there are only 4-5 specific mob in 1 field/zone and their respawn timer is ridiculously long. It is almost impossible to do these kind of quests atm. Not to mention some of boss monsters' respawn timer is 20 min. Players actually have to line up and wait forever just to complete 1 quest with out fighting and arguing with other players.
This seems very problematic to me I know from the new dailies released in wow how annoying an overcrowded area with a medium spawnrate is. Its incredibly frustrating having to fight with 10 people for a mob. And then when you get that mob he doesn't even drop the quest item. Same goes with Boss Timers.

4. Quests like "escort a npc quest" can't be done in group atm, not to mention escort npc takes forever to respawn.
This seems moronic. It doesn't seem illogical to escort someone with a group of people. Why this isn't implemented I can't imagine.

5. Not enough information and guide on quest log. There is a system that allows players to search npcs and locations in Aion but some of important quest npcs or locations aren't included in this feature, therefore if you have no idea where the hell the npc is, due to lack of info on quest log and not trackable by npc/location searcher then it's QQ time.
Some quests in WoW are vague as well. The system in Guild Wars is nice , but it is a little EZMODE.

6. Going to Elysium or Pandemonium whenever it's time to learn new skills is pain in the ***. Adding trainers to semi big cities would be nice.
Semi-Big cities sounds reasonable, not towns though.

7. Related to number 6. Elysium and Pandemonium are the only places with profession trainers. Should add some of profession trainers here and there.
Badly designed imo. Profession Trainers should be in every town. Its not unreasonable for several different types of Crafters in a town.

8. Lack of info on official Korean site.
o_O

9. Server down every 10 min, learn to buy a better host.
That is pretty bad even for a CB , But then again it has no relevance as far as the end product. (Hopefully)

10. Problems with "chain skill or combo skill" system. For example: Fire blast is castable by mages only AFTER Fire arrow is casted first. But the problem is that fire blast's icon takes over fire arrow's icon, which means you can't cast fire arrow repeatedly like spamming fire ball or frostbolt in WoW. Can't cast fire arrow again until fire blast is casted or wait until fire blast icon disappear after 3 sec or so. Testers aren't sure whether this is "Working as intended" or bug yet.

Doesn't seem like a bug to me. Doesn't seem like Aion is intended to have a 'Rotation' like WoW.

[Zyuu]

If you want to argue about WSAD and click to move.. do it on some other forum. Not AionSource. By the way, World of Warcraft have both, why? Because some prefer click to move -- I don't, but I also respect what other people want. Just because you have one point of view, doesn't necessarily mean everyone else is going to share it. This goes for all of you.

Stop argue, that's not what this thread is here for.

[ProphetX]

So which does aion actually use? WASD or click to move?

This new info has confused me rofl.

[Shilenne]

Aion got both WASD and CLICK TO MOVE. you can disable click to move if you wish to, it's not a big deal seriously.

[Santa]

the only thing that i rly dont like is the no swiming and how proffession trainers r only in the main towns

[ProphetX]

Originally Posted by Shilenne

Aion got both WASD and CLICK TO MOVE. you can disable click to move if you wish to, it's not a big deal seriously.

Yeah whats the big deal :P
I prefer WASD but I know people who prefer click to move.

o_O

[Irisviel]

Originally Posted by ProphetX

Yeah whats the big deal :P
I prefer WASD but I know people who prefer click to move.

o_O

Exactly :O anyways, people said closed beta 2 is mainly to test out server capacity and new zones they added to see if mobs are balanced and stuff. I don't think class balance is coming out anytime soon, maybe in closed beta 3 ( if they are planning to run another closed beta that is ) or open beta.

[naranana]

Are you sure it is useless to play music to the cows ?

[ProphetX]

Originally Posted by Irisviel

Exactly :O anyways, people said closed beta 2 is mainly to test out server capacity and new zones they added to see if mobs are balanced and stuff. I don't think class balance is coming out anytime soon, maybe in closed beta 3 ( if they are planning to run another closed beta that is ) or open beta.

^_^

Man I wish I was Korean so I could be in the CB ;[