Poll: Gold Buying

BrokenBrain · 10-09-2009, 09:16 PM

I've been thinking about RMT in AION and how NCSoft could best combat it. It seems that the best way to permanently get rid of it is to drive the demand for it down. Obviously, if you go after the gold sellers they'll keep coming back. But if the demand goes down and it's no longer profitable then the sellers will move on to greener pastures.

There are a number of ways I can think of doing it, but the simplest (to my mind) is simply harshly punishing gold buyers with permanent bans. If people were afraid of being banned, they'd be less likely to buy gold.

However, this wouldn't work if it would drive away legitimate players who were turned off by the harshness of the measure. So I wanted to take a poll to gauge the community's opinion of it.

Edit for Clarification: I am referring to permanent bans, not temporary bans. They already do temporarily ban gold buyers.

For anyone posting anything along the lines of, "Why is gold buying so bad? They're just honest folk trying to keep up with the hardcore crowd!", refer here for my explanation.

Toddski · 10-09-2009, 09:20 PM

People that buy kinah should be banned.
Whether they are banned or not is just the luck of the draw.

BrokenBrain · 10-09-2009, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddski

People that buy kinah should be banned.
Whether they are banned or not is just the luck of the draw.

I was talking about permanent bans. I think right now they get a three day suspension. Plus I don't get the impression NCSoft's priority is going after buyers so much as sellers.

SuicideBunny · 10-09-2009, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddski

People that buy kinah should be banned.

why?
what about someone who bought kinah from a source that obtained them through legit ingame means (no botting, acc sharing, and whatnot)?

Baleur · 10-09-2009, 09:35 PM

I voted for "Yes. I would probably be banned." due to being banned even without buying kinah ^_^
It kinda makes you wonder, maby you should buy kinah anyway? If its the same treatment as not buying? See signature.

lunarfault · 10-09-2009, 09:36 PM

Going after buyers would hurt NCSoft too much. It's not so much the buying but what is done with the Kinah. If the Kinah goes to NPCs it is instantly taken out of the economy and the buyer is helping. If the Kinah goes to other players, then it is an economic problem.

The problem with Aion is there is too much free trade. Ie everything you need can be obtained via crafters. This keeps the Kinah in the market and adds up. What we need is more money sinks, ontop of cutting down the sellers. If we stop the spammers we have done nothing about the companies that don't spam. The ones doing the spaming are startup kinah sellers.

Gicco · 10-09-2009, 10:55 PM

Meh.. honestly, if gold buyers buy gold, they should be stripped of what they bought. If they bought the gold and used it, they lose their item they bought it with.

However; theres probably a better way of banning gold sellers.. and thats at the source. Look for that guy who says "we have 21345k kinah in stock!" Just look for the guy whos carrying that, if its distributed among different characters, look for the ones that have high amounts of gold in their bags, and haven't spent much. Or have traded even amounts of gold to another char. Then follow that char to see who he trades to as well.

Abyss · 10-09-2009, 11:02 PM

The 1 thing that erks me in any MMO are those F@ckin goldspammer/farmers. Tons of spam mail, chat screen cluttered with garbage spam. Block list full.

Personally they all need to go burn in hell.

Arvie · 10-09-2009, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gicco

Meh.. honestly, if gold buyers buy gold, they should be stripped of what they bought. If they bought the gold and used it, they lose their item they bought it with.

However; theres probably a better way of banning gold sellers.. and thats at the source. Look for that guy who says "we have 21345k kinah in stock!" Just look for the guy whos carrying that, if its distributed among different characters, look for the ones that have high amounts of gold in their bags, and haven't spent much. Or have traded even amounts of gold to another char. Then follow that char to see who he trades to as well.

No.

Its way easier to just put a lawsuit up, and block chinese IP's.

Twilight Sky · 10-09-2009, 11:15 PM

I think the buyers are the ones we're seeing spamming us - the ones with somewhat comprehensible names. I.e. victims of account theft.

Syncopation · 10-09-2009, 11:17 PM

The only problem with any banning: falsepositives, and of course the ones who deny it and go rampaging on the forums claiming innocence.

Kharagor · 10-09-2009, 11:34 PM

I'd normally encourage the bans, but this game has so many factors that would simply drive people to buy Kinah that I think banning would be too harsh.

Aseenus · 10-09-2009, 11:45 PM

This is stupid.. why would we leave if gold spammers stopped? o.O

thursdasy · 10-09-2009, 11:54 PM

I dont think they should ban the people purchasing Kinah they should just suspend their account for awhile 7+ days and then remove any illegally attained kinah they might have.

And if they do it more than once ban them...

But why would we leave because other people are lazy enough to buy kinah? lol

Lune · 10-09-2009, 11:56 PM

Gold buying and selling outside of the game's economy will eventually ruin the game. ALL god buyer and Seller must be ban.

View Poll Results: Would you leave AION if NCSoft banned gold buyers?
Yes. I would probably be banned.	25	5.02%
Yes. I think the punishment is too harsh.	22	4.42%
No. I think the punishment is too harsh but I wouldn't leave.	56	11.24%
No. I'd support the bans.	395	79.32%
Voters: 498. You may not vote on this poll

10-09-2009, 09:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
BrokenBrain Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Washington DC Thanks: 4 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts Class: Chanter Race: Elyos Server: Ariel	Poll: Gold Buying I've been thinking about RMT in AION and how NCSoft could best combat it. It seems that the best way to permanently get rid of it is to drive the demand for it down. Obviously, if you go after the gold sellers they'll keep coming back. But if the demand goes down and it's no longer profitable then the sellers will move on to greener pastures. There are a number of ways I can think of doing it, but the simplest (to my mind) is simply harshly punishing gold buyers with permanent bans. If people were afraid of being banned, they'd be less likely to buy gold. However, this wouldn't work if it would drive away legitimate players who were turned off by the harshness of the measure. So I wanted to take a poll to gauge the community's opinion of it. Edit for Clarification: I am referring to permanent bans, not temporary bans. They already do temporarily ban gold buyers. For anyone posting anything along the lines of, "Why is gold buying so bad? They're just honest folk trying to keep up with the hardcore crowd!", refer here for my explanation. __________________ Last edited by BrokenBrain; 10-12-2009 at 03:33 AM..

10-09-2009, 09:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
Baleur General Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sweden Thanks: 11 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts Character: Bethalsenann Class: Ranger Legion: DooM Race: Asmodians Server: Spatalos	I voted for "Yes. I would probably be banned." due to being banned even without buying kinah ^_^ It kinda makes you wonder, maby you should buy kinah anyway? If its the same treatment as not buying? See signature. __________________ Sarcasm was first recorded in English in "The Shepheardes Calender" in 1579. You've had 400 years to get familiar with it.. But better late than never I guess.

10-09-2009, 10:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gicco Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: My office Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Character: Giccobie Legion: Versus Race: Asmodians Server: Gorgos	Meh.. honestly, if gold buyers buy gold, they should be stripped of what they bought. If they bought the gold and used it, they lose their item they bought it with. However; theres probably a better way of banning gold sellers.. and thats at the source. Look for that guy who says "we have 21345k kinah in stock!" Just look for the guy whos carrying that, if its distributed among different characters, look for the ones that have high amounts of gold in their bags, and haven't spent much. Or have traded even amounts of gold to another char. Then follow that char to see who he trades to as well. __________________ Go QQ elsewhere Carebear.

10-09-2009, 11:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Abyss Officer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: L.A. California Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Class: Sorcerer Race: Asmodians	The 1 thing that erks me in any MMO are those F@ckin goldspammer/farmers. Tons of spam mail, chat screen cluttered with garbage spam. Block list full. Personally they all need to go burn in hell. __________________ Leader of S U C C U B U S

10-09-2009, 09:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
lunarfault Human Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Japan Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Character: Inanna Class: Cleric Legion: Nephilim Race: Asmodians Server: Nezekan	Going after buyers would hurt NCSoft too much. It's not so much the buying but what is done with the Kinah. If the Kinah goes to NPCs it is instantly taken out of the economy and the buyer is helping. If the Kinah goes to other players, then it is an economic problem. The problem with Aion is there is too much free trade. Ie everything you need can be obtained via crafters. This keeps the Kinah in the market and adds up. What we need is more money sinks, ontop of cutting down the sellers. If we stop the spammers we have done nothing about the companies that don't spam. The ones doing the spaming are startup kinah sellers.

10-09-2009, 11:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
Twilight Sky Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2009 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Character: Salandra Class: Sorcerer Race: Elyos Server: Kaisinel	I think the buyers are the ones we're seeing spamming us - the ones with somewhat comprehensible names. I.e. victims of account theft.

10-09-2009, 11:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Syncopation Officer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dirty Jersey Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Character: Syncopation Class: Ranger Legion: United in Darkness Race: Elyos Server: Lumiel	The only problem with any banning: falsepositives, and of course the ones who deny it and go rampaging on the forums claiming innocence. __________________ Danca gurreira. Luta manera. Jogo. Attaque. Defesa. Capoeira. The Syncopation Drinking Game. Take a shot everytime i post about Guild Wars. If anyone really annoys you remember theres an IGNORED USER list.

10-09-2009, 11:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kharagor Soldier Join Date: Jun 2009 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Race: Asmodians	I'd normally encourage the bans, but this game has so many factors that would simply drive people to buy Kinah that I think banning would be too harsh.

10-09-2009, 11:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
Aseenus Great General Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Thanks: 1 Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts Character: Dusk Class: Assassin Race: Asmodians Server: Nezekan	This is stupid.. why would we leave if gold spammers stopped? o.O __________________ Nezekan Community Website \| Zikel Community Website Nezekan IRC \| Meslamtaeda IRC \| Fregion IRC \| Ariel IRC \| Zikel IRC

10-09-2009, 11:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
thursdasy Soldier Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: OC Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Character: thursdasy Class: Assassin Legion: JP ONLY JP ONLY PT Race: Elyos Server: Yustiel	I dont think they should ban the people purchasing Kinah they should just suspend their account for awhile 7+ days and then remove any illegally attained kinah they might have. And if they do it more than once ban them... But why would we leave because other people are lazy enough to buy kinah? lol __________________ Keep QQin: For helpful tips follow @aiontips

10-09-2009, 11:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lune Daeva Join Date: Oct 2009 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Race: Undecided Server: Undecided	Gold buying and selling outside of the game's economy will eventually ruin the game. ALL god buyer and Seller must be ban.

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