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[Gotcha]

Well guys, i just read through the posts here and i'm wondering now, what exactly are bots?

Gold farmers? I never heard about bots, just about china-farmes who work for their rl-money so they don't die.

I'm a noob and i need help

[TwilightAngel]

Originally Posted by Kindred

I don't think many people in this thread have played Lineage2. If you have, you'd know how NCSoft handles bots in Lineage2 and why people are so worried the same thing will happen with Aion. Nothing will change "in our version", its the exact same one the Koreans use (apart from localisation). If bots continue to exist in KR, they will appear in NA/EU too. You're naive if you think otherwise.

erm we have no clue how NC west is going to handle bots we DO know that NC Austin blowed

[Ethos]

Originally Posted by elliot

You were playing it as if bots weren't a big deal. Obviously, it is a big deal or there wouldn't be 5 new bot complaints popping up every 5 seconds in General forums right now. Should I take another ss?

Bots are not to be justified and bots are bad, but seriously you have to place everything in it's context and learn not to make something huge out of a possibly small problem (I'm not only pointing at you but at everyone who makes threads like this explode, including myself for participating right now). Those # of bots or # of complaints might be small if you consider how many people are playing Aion over there.

Look at this thread and you know more than enough... I see allot of reactions and posts of people saying/thinking that in the EU/US release there will be bot's everywhere... and most of those people have never seen a bot in Aion, most of them even didn't played the Korean Open Beta. They believe so just because of your original post (what might not have been your intention, I understand).

Judging on this topic, and the number of replys, someone with less knowledge of the English language could also believe that we actually played Aion and encountered more bots than human players ingame.

So, once again... What can everyone learn out of this? Put everything in it's context and don't go crazy about something you read... only judge based on your own experience.

Next to that:
- We shouldn't flame Elliot for his opinion, but I think you go wrong when you hail one game (WoW in this case) and keep bashing the other one (Aion in this case) to force your opinion on everyone else. The point was made with the first post.
- We shouldn't look at other people's experiences, that are different than those of the OP, as if they are flames towards the OP. We have the right to share and gather all information that could answer some questions about the subject.

[Beklyn]

Computer game bot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[Mark]

The discussion so far has swung between orderly and uncivil. Let's keep it in the civil zone, as Ethos has suggested.

[TwilightAngel]

for pplt hat didnt know NC is a korean comp the games that they made and then brought to us on this side of the world use to be run by NC Austin which didnt do well.... so NCsoft made a new comp over here called NC west which will now be running the wesrten market games for NcSoft korea

[t0yo]

Originally Posted by Celebrity

well for me that depends on the game i do play L2 for longer then that (off course going quiting and coming back every now and then), but still the forum spam, i've saw it before and man it was too much "deja vú" for me... Keep in mind taht i will play the game no matter if the bot issue will be around or not (i will report every time i see one like i do in L2, belive me i lose a lot of my game time doing it this, why that? Because bots take most of the best lvl spot with entire partys, and if you kill the party usually a some high lvl owner in s grade show up.

Yeah I totally understand your point. However the only thing that I'm apprehensive if bots aren't really dealt with (never know if they'll decide to or not) is that cap doesn't take long to hit so it won't be a problem.

However if NcSoft think they can toy with us paying a considerable amount of money and trying to pull a similar service as l2 I'll gladly go to WoW. As much as I hate saying it, I'm coming from a background of f2p game devs manipulating everything they want as they see fit

Korean mentality perhaps? Not that I want to sound racist but its evident in most games they make. We'll see though I still have an apprehensive outlook on the game

[TwilightAngel]

Originally Posted by t0yo

Yeah I totally understand your point. However the only thing that I'm apprehensive if bots aren't really dealt with (never know if they'll decide to or not) is that cap doesn't take long to hit so it won't be a problem.

However if NcSoft think they can toy with us paying a considerable amount of money and trying to pull a similar service as l2 I'll gladly go to WoW. As much as I hate saying it, I'm coming from a background of f2p game devs manipulating everything they want as they see fit

Korean mentality perhaps? Not that I want to sound racist but its evident in most games they make. We'll see though I still have an apprehensive outlook on the game

well P2P are handle a lil diff frm F2P games.

But frm what Iv heard NCwest is really doing much more in cleaining house then NC austin done

[Anirk]

Elliot wants Aion to succeed just as much as any of us he is just worried about the problems and wants us to take a firm stance against the problems.

There is no need to bash him because obviously the problems are there or the Koreans wouldn't be posting like crazy on the boards.

Perhaps some servers are affected more than others who knows, but the problems are definately there.

They may be understaffed with so many servers to police but I hope they get it together.

[TwilightAngel]

Originally Posted by Anirk

Elliot wants Aion to succeed just as much as any of us he is just worried about the problems and wants us to take a firm stance against the problems.

There is no need to bash him because obviously the problems are there or the Koreans wouldn't be posting like crazy on the boards.

Perhaps some servers are affected more than others who knows, but the problems are definately there.

They may be understaffed with so many servers to police but I hope they get it together.

the reason some ppl are bc he says WOW has no problems but yet someone posted a Screen shot of WOWs forms showing that alot of ppl are unhappy witht he new patch.

like iv stated most those bots post dont mean there that many bots just stating there bots and some ppl go over bored, also some those ppl could be talking about the same bot.

then aboutt he flying as he stated frm many ppl iv talked to to movies and even the players movment there nothing stiff about the char movements, maybe fi there lagg or what not. but tot he OP he never played AION so he cant just go off by what some ppl say. you have to play the game it self.

[Aelo]

The Game Isn't Even Out For Us Yet! PLEASE:

[Harodain]

Originally Posted by elliot

This screenshot is was taken few mins ago. Again, official general board aion.co.kr




Bots aren't an issue. Sir? Are you a botter?

This screenshot is all i need. Thank you.

[Charlie]

- Stiff Character movement. This issue was mentioned in not only open beta but also way back in closed beta stage. If you've been playing WoW, everything in Aion will feel unnatural and stiff, including flying.


This is really bad news...

[TwilightAngel]

Originally Posted by Harodain

This screenshot is all i need. Thank you.

not really. you have to remember some those ppl could be talking about the same bot tho. Look at RFO when the server crash there 20 threads being made saying the server crashed, I even seen the same thing with bots i remember 5 threads being made like a few min apart frm each other talking about the same bot. then when CM closed al 4 threads and left the 1st one open the OPs made threads asking why they did that.

So if you think that SN can tell how everything int he game is then all i have to say is WOW, so i didnt see you commenting ont he WOW forums SN bc that had alot of complaints on it to

Originally Posted by Charlie

- Stiff Character movement. This issue was mentioned in not only open beta but also way back in closed beta stage. If you've been playing WoW, everything in Aion will feel unnatural and stiff, including flying.


This is really bad news...

lol see thats one of the funny things bc last i looked frm vids and LIVE feed frm in game i didnt notice any stiff movements and you can base char movements frm WOW bc some the stuff iv seen in WOW looks odd and unnatural... like when a char runs and then stop he slides a lil bit.

about the flying part even in the LIVE video Feed I couldnt tell any stiff movement like befor he basing eveything off of WoW the guy never played retail AION just basing his op on a form, SO really you going to have to get insight frm players that are actly playing the game to see if there are char movement problems

[Felluah]

OK, so reading the whole thread, and as much as I can of the various linked articles, the summary seems to be as follows:

• On the korean forums, there are a lot of people posting about bots, or suspected bots (due to them being really high levels already)
• On the korean forums, there's also issues about balance between the classes.
• We have people here who have played the OBT, and are currently playing the retail game, saying they've not seen so many bots and the balance isn't too bad, nothing more tweaking won't fix.

There are a few things that need to bared in mind:

• There are a few hundred thousand people playing -concurrently- at anyone time. When a game is this new, people spend more time playing than they do writing on the forums. Those that are writing on the forums obviously feel very strongly about something, to take time out to talk about.
• Sadly, even here, 75% of forum posts tend to be negative. (OK, here it's not that bad, but the game's not out yet, and generally this is a mature and genial community)
• The game will have been live in Korea for several months, and in China as well before it hits our computer screens.
• NCWest is a new entity. They have stated they will not tolerate botting, and are, if reports are correct, cracking down on the issue far more than NC Austin did. Tools to aid in the detection of bots take time to produce and refine - it will always be an ongoing thing.
• Balance issues will be ongoing as people get more and more into the game, learn what the class capabilities are in more detail, and find more interesting combinations. In the case of the sorcerer, they've always been the proverbial glass cannon. Extremely powerful and physically vulnerable, it's a fine balance that needs to be found, and it will take time to find it - time we'll not have to worry about due to the 3rd point above.

So, enough lists, they were just for clarification (although they seem to ramble a bit now looking back on it).

In my opinion things are never as bad as they will seem on the forum, I am far more likely to lend weight to the arguments of people actually playing the game. The fact that there are bots there is disappointing, but inevitable. It's the response that matters. What everyone here that has played L2 especially want to see is a strong reaction from NCSoft in regards to this. Noone should expect an immediate response, a knee-jerk reaction to fix this would not be in the best interests of the game, nor as effective as other measures that can be found through deliberation. The game is young, and NCSoft is probably wise to use the time they have, while the game is young, to find the correct solution.

It could well be that botting to level is not efficient or called for, which is fine, it will die out, or be of little or no effect. Gold/resource farming is another matter, and can effect the economy a lot. However, the game setup seems to be that the truly profitable things will be
in the abyss, which to all intents and purposes, will not be an environment conducive to botting - I am willing to adopt a wait and see approach here.

The class balancing is a different matter altogether, and one that's taking place across -every- MMO there is. Noone will ever be happy with their class unless it is over powered in all ways, but that won't do to all the other classes. Time is what is needed to balance the classes properly. Regardless of how many people played the OBT, it's still not enough to find all the combinations and account for them. Again, we'll see the benefit of a more balanced game when it hits NA/EU.

Overall I think NCSoft should be applauded for having what can probably be considered one of the smoothest launches of any MMO i've ever seen. with a 90% retention rate from free to paying account, that is pretty massive, especially when you consider the numbers we are talking about (several hundreds of thousands of concurrent players?!). What those bitten by the bot issue in previous games want now is strong evidence of a crack down on bots. I don't expect that to happen in the first month of the games release, there's probably more pressing issues to deal with first. However, I do expect to see something by early next year at the latest - if that is a crack down with the ban-hammer, or botters finding there's no market in Aion for them, I don't care, as long as it gets resolved.

I would suggest everyone takes a deep breath, enjoy the good points, keep an eye on the bad ones, and invoke the mantra-a-la-Ayase and "Just wait and see, you will be very pleasantly surprised"