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[Riku]

I have a question:
The Dev's set the damage output to half for PVP and full damage during PVE so pvp battles would last longer (cb2/cb3, not sure which when the change was made). So if a mage can do 3k on a player that means he is doing 6k on a mob. Is this true and has it been tested during live launch ?

[t0yo]

Personally I don't care if summoners can't fly.

If people are going to be so scared to fly away from me in PvP. The Videos will show what chikenz they are ;D

[Plastik]

Or it'll show them killing you from above while your summon sits idle on the ground twiddling his paws

[Kaldur]

Wow...12 pages?

I only listen to Lyan, Hellrose, Mark, and Ayase. Everything else is just a waste of time...so yeah pretty much 99% of this thread is full of fail.

[Kersenka]

If bots are all people have to worry about and maybe abit of class balance then I concider the game a success. No one has been seen complaining about poor latency, poor account setup, poor billing system and loads of graphic and gameplay bugs.

Lets face it we all know what sort of people rush to a forum and complain about a game, the kind that wants everything handed to them on a plate. Example being "If my character can't kill your character then your character is way OP and needs a nerf". "OMG how come you're lvl 30 already you BOTTER" The list goes on.
I've played too many MMO's to know not to read the forums when all people have time to post is NERF NERF NERF threads, WOW forums are a prime example the games 4 years old and yet the class forums are spammed with you're class needs a NERF thread.

What I find is if people are enjoying the game they will not be surfing forums to post and not many people will even post acknowledgement of what a great game it is, they are having too much fun playing to worry. Usually only the annoying kids and arses will post on forums when the game doesn't offer an uber leet one-hit kill player, that can levels to max in 1 hours play.

Anyone actually seen a few game reviews of the korean release yet, they are what really matters when it comes to reading about the current state of the game. Need a few sources though some reviews can be biased because they hate a certain genre. Take IGN for a example :P

[lordoftheloo]

This news troubles me.

[Plastik]

Originally Posted by Kaldur

Wow...12 pages?

I only listen to Lyan, Hellrose, Mark, and Ayase. Everything else is just a waste of time...so yeah pretty much 99% of this thread is full of fail.

Good for you?

[Livvy]

Aion needs to be solid at release. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Its not fair. Its not right. But it is reality. This game needs to be almost as polished as WoW is now in order for it to be successful in NA/EU areas. In a way, it is a blessing the game was released in Korea and China before the west side. This gives NCsoft to plug away at glaring gameplay errors and iron them out before an NA/EU release.

Have to agree with this. Regardless of how one feels about WoW , it has set a certain standard for the entire genre . These days any new MMO gets one chance to succeed ( Tabula Rasa is enough proof of that ) , largely due to the immense development costs . That means it has to be "complete " on release day , not several months later .

Certain things can be added or tweaked at later stages - by means of patches - but the very core of the game has to be finished .That means content must be present for all level-ranges , bots need to be combated in earnest ( not half -measures ,but take away the incentive that facilitate programming bots- i.e. design an economical structure which isn't money-based /gear-based to the point folks have the urge to take shortcuts and buy gold to stay up-to-speed ) . You can have a gazillion counter-measures to bot-companies but as long as there's a demand for gold you will see those bots appearing. So you have to do both: get rid of the demand and implement counter-botting measures . Doing just the latter will not work.


Class imbalance cannot be so extreme it renders certain classes useless . Every class in the game has to have utility- be required - from release day onward . You'll always see certain imbalances but that can be fixed with patching .

They have a 3 to 4 month time frame with which to work and they'd better make use of that time to ensure we won't see another failure by NCsoft in western hemisphere .

I'm suspecting there is a lot riding on the success of this title for western markets - they abandonded TR in favor of Aion . If it fails I think we won't see any more titles being released in NA/EU ( including guild wars 2 which would mean NCsoft west would be dissolved and ArenaNet will be bought by another publisher , the guild wars franchise is a sound investment - I think we can all agree on that ) and they'll simply abandon that market . That also means NCsoft will become a marginal company in terms of having huge impact on the MMO-scene . You can't have that kind of impact if you target one market only .

I only listen to Lyan, Hellrose, Mark, and Ayase. Everything else is just a waste of time...so yeah pretty much 99% of this thread is full of fail.

Elliot didn't make this up, those are direct quotes from korean forums by players, not dev-filtered information.I think it's always wise to not only listen to what developers choose to tell you but to also get reports "from the field " i.e. the players themselves .

[Kaldur]

Originally Posted by Plastik

Good for you?

This is what I'm talking about...I mean, some people shouldn't even have access to a keyboard.

[yume]

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

First, yeah, I read the whole thread.

First time someone is trying to tell us what's going on in Korea after the launch and what he gets?

Did you want to deceive yourself till the NA/EU release that Aion is totally flawless? Then be blind if you want, but there IS the dark side.

I would be at least a little concerned hearing such news, but the general reaction is like "this guy is talking nonsense... where did he come from..? Oo"

The general problem is not even bots, farming, goldselling, balance (to be clear i hate bots/botting etc) but the company that does NOT respond to these issues on the gameforum. Whose responsibility is to provide customer service? How can you ignore statement that bots report posts are being deleted? Wouldn't you feel ****ed off that your complaints are just thrown into the trashcan? Well i would...

If the company policy is focused on money by all means (and such quick launch may confirm this attitude) then it's clear that it's in their business to silence bad PR.

Anyway, there are voices saying that there are always balancing issues in the beginning... Don't you think that 3 closed beta phases plus 1 open beta phase is enough to figure out the right balance of the classes..? Excuse me, but I think they should have done it already by now. Especially with their "Lineage" experience in balancing (yeah, that could be sarcasm). Furthermore, they skipped cross-class stigmas... It's obvious that implementing such thing is a lot harder than the normal class balance, so I ask myself, what did they do out there if they haven't solved the primary thing..? Is such thing like balance intended by the way? I wonder...

To those who think that we still got time till release, that they will fix everything etc... Oh, really? I can't rest assured... Simple example:
If CEO of NCSoft West is appointed by Korean branch then he is supposed to make real the same policy like Korean company, isn't he? Otherwise he wouldn't be appointed. Why should they choose a man that doesn't listen to what they want him to do...?
If NCSoft Korea does not care about bots, NCSoft West will neither. Don't expect miracles in the world that is run by money.

As a summary: I want and I hope from all the heart that Aion becomes a great and successful product.

But I don't wanna deceive myself and close from any negative responds that come to my ear but to analyze them and make an objective opinion.

Thus I do not understand all those "attacks" on elliot for what he did was nothing but bring us news, which was/is all we wanted.

Just think a little on this and then make your statements about WoW/Aion fanbois...


Edit: big THANKS to elliot for sharing all the info.

[Diablo]

Originally Posted by Kaldur

This is what I'm talking about...I mean, some people shouldn't even have access to a keyboard.

I agree, though your last 2 comments on this thread are same.

OP-thanks for sharing, since what happens there can happen here. For the next 12 pages TPEBKAC.

[Aelo]

Originally Posted by t0yo

Personally I don't care if summoners can't fly.

If people are going to be so scared to fly away from me in PvP. The Videos will show what chikenz they are ;D

Summoners CAN fly, but they cannot bring their pets with them. Thats what they are saying - probably 80% of the classes skills have to do with the pets and therefore they are useless in aerial combat due to the lack of their pet.

[anarcho]

Originally Posted by Diablo

OP-thanks for sharing, since what happens there can happen here. For the next 12 pages TPEBKAC.

haha, nice one.

[Anirk]

Originally Posted by Kaldur

This is what I'm talking about...I mean, some people shouldn't even have access to a keyboard.

ya like you, if no one else but you, mark, hellrose, lyn, Ayase posted here this forum would be a POS

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

First, yeah, I read the whole thread.

First time someone is trying to tell us what's going on in Korea after the launch and what he gets?

Did you want to deceive yourself till the NA/EU release that Aion is totally flawless? Then be blind if you want, but there IS the dark side.

I would be at least a little concerned hearing such news, but the general reaction is like "this guy is talking nonsense... where did he come from..? Oo"

The general problem is not even bots, farming, goldselling, balance (to be clear i hate bots/botting etc) but the company that does NOT respond to these issues on the gameforum. Whose responsibility is to provide customer service? How can you ignore statement that bots report posts are being deleted? Wouldn't you feel ****ed off that your complaints are just thrown into the trashcan? Well i would...

If the company policy is focused on money by all means (and such quick launch may confirm this attitude) then it's clear that it's in their business to silence bad PR.

Anyway, there are voices saying that there are always balancing issues in the beginning... Don't you think that 3 closed beta phases plus 1 open beta phase is enough to figure out the right balance of the classes..? Excuse me, but I think they should have done it already by now. Especially with their "Lineage" experience in balancing (yeah, that could be sarcasm). Furthermore, they skipped cross-class stigmas... It's obvious that implementing such thing is a lot harder than the normal class balance, so I ask myself, what did they do out there if they haven't solved the primary thing..? Is such thing like balance intended by the way? I wonder...

To those who think that we still got time till release, that they will fix everything etc... Oh, really? I can't rest assured... Simple example:
If CEO of NCSoft West is appointed by Korean branch then he is supposed to make real the same policy like Korean company, isn't he? Otherwise he wouldn't be appointed. Why should they choose a man that doesn't listen to what they want him to do...?
If NCSoft Korea does not care about bots, NCSoft West will neither. Don't expect miracles in the world that is run by money.

As a summary: I want and I hope from all the heart that Aion becomes a great and successful product.

But I don't wanna deceive myself and close from any negative responds that come to my ear but to analyze them and make an objective opinion.

Thus I do not understand all those "attacks" on elliot for what he did was nothing but bring us news, which was/is all we wanted.

Just think a little on this and then make your statements about WoW/Aion fanbois...


Edit: big THANKS to elliot for sharing all the info.

+1 to this

[Livvy]

If CEO of NCSoft West is appointed by Korean branch then he is supposed to make real the same policy like Korean company, isn't he?

The man in charge of development and maintenance of titles at NCsoft West is Jeff Strain and he has tons of experience with western style MMO's ( first at Blizzard ,then ArenaNet ).I highly doubt you can push him around to take a course which he thinks is bad for any game.

The man is practically a living legend .