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[Fleiva]

Originally Posted by elliot

This screenshot is was taken few mins ago. Again, official general board aion.co.kr




Bots aren't an issue. Sir? Are you a botter?

Just as a friendly reminder, you're quoting a post that states bots are an issue. You're turning quite defensive here, is there something else about this thread that you aren't telling us? Why being so defensive and dissing entirely a player's argument while you're just reading forums? Trying to make a point?

Bots are a potential issue for every single game, on every single game bots can make things easier, yet most of those games don't have bots. Why? Because of their flawless GMs and protection measures? Let me doubt it, it's because of design, it's a risk vs reward situation, is the reward of botting in L2 better than the risk of being banned? It really is indeed, L2 is a game which leveling curve is impossible to swallow for anyone with a busy real life, does the same apply to Aion? From what I've seen, no, it doesn't. You can reach a competitive status in Aion without botting in a pair of months tops, skipping quests makes it slower, advoiding the abyss makes it slower, so, in a nutshell, you're just taking a huge risk for a minor reward if botting in Aion.

Let NCsoft act before jumping on their necks, the bots issue has just been spotted, they can't ban you just because they think you're a bot, they need to put measures in place before banning and that might take a pair of days, but due to the game design, a bunch of bans and bots will simply quit trying, cause the risk taken botting in this game is way higher than the rewards obtained out of doing it.

That being said, I'm willing to bet at least 50% of those posts are unfounded and come out of jealousy, I've been translating with google some of those posts and I grasped that their arguments are that some people are already level 40-42.

[Adventzero]

This news has got me a little worried. I agree completely with Reverenth in that when we see this game it really does need to be polished up. Warhammer is a great example. I was hoping that would be my alternative to wow (which i will never play again, i just physically cannot do it). But alas the polish was missing and as such i put a hold on resubscribing. I will return to WAR once the classes that were cut are back in within a couple of weeks, but still. That's coming from a fan. One thing i can say that the Mythic team is really REALLY on top of their player-developer relationship. I have never seen a MMO company that was as active in forums and truly valued player input as the Mythic guys. When things needed changing it happened and the classes are actually well balanced for just a 3 month old game. If NCsoft/west can be like Mythic in terms of listening to the players, then i don't doubt that by the time we get AION it should be great.

Oh and NCsoft needs to adopt the whole Mythic Banhammer policy but for bots. that whole gold seller spam got chewed out by GM's and players within a month. Since the start there's been 13,000 bans for goldspamming. At the start i was getting spammed every couple minutes and before i left i had 0 spam messages for gold.

[Helena]

Originally Posted by Infares

I strongly suspect that by the time Aion gets in our hands, and especially considering NCW's stance on bots, we won't have anything to seriously fear.

their stance??

according to lineage 2 and the aion forums, it seems to me like they arent even trying

[Infares]

Originally Posted by Helena

their stance??

according to lineage 2 and the aion forums, it seems to me like they arent even trying

NCWest can't be blamed for that, they're a new company that's apparently cracking down on botters like a mofo recently. If they crack down that hard on a new game like Aion there's a chance that the problem won't ever get that bad to begin with.

Keep in mind NCWest is the NA/EU subsidiary and has different practices than the parent company.

[Fleiva]

Originally Posted by Adventzero

Oh and NCsoft needs to adopt the whole Mythic Banhammer policy but for bots. that whole gold seller spam got chewed out by GM's and players within a month. Since the start there's been 13,000 bans for goldspamming. At the start i was getting spammed every couple minutes and before i left i had 0 spam messages for gold.

This is exactly what Im talking about. It's not about Mythic Banhammer policy, you'd be naive thinking so, it's because the gold in WAR doesn't matter and it's pretty easy to come by, cheaters try setting a market, they fail, they move away. A bunch of bans doesn't stop them period, game designs do.

[Night_Stalker]

Originally Posted by HarukaBanchou

Hellfire takes 4s to cast and have a 2min cooldown, sure it has insane damage, but 4s cast time? That gives most classes plenty of time to cancel the attack. Unless the mage come sneaking up on someone as shown in that mage pvp video.

This.

It's like crying that Meteor shower is OP in Guild wars. "Zomg 105 AoE DoT with knockdown every 3 seconds". Sure it sounds horrible, until you take a look at the 6 second cast and 2 minute cooldown.

I'm sure the bots are heavily exaggerated as well, simply because the game has just been released. If you look at L2 forums, not many people complain about bots because there's just too many of them. However, Aion just released a couple of days ago and you get more bot complaints than you would on an L2 board. Does that mean Aion has way more bots? Of course not. People expect to see a bot-free game on release, so when they encounter 1 or 2 of them, they freak out like the childish fools they are. And i'm sure WoW had no bots or imbalances on the first week of it's release, there must have been a billion quests to do each level back then as well...

The rest of the issues are simple things that will probably get addressed 1 or 2 patches down the road. Jump shots? Easy fix (providing they WANT to fix it, which i'm sure they do). Sorcerer OP? They'd probably fix that too if it were a valid complaint. What the hell do people expect? Sorcerors shouldn't do crap damage, and be able to take as many hits as a guy with plate armor and a 5 foot shield. They're supposed to die easily, and they're supposed to do high damage, it's always been like this.

Class balance complaints are endless. 4 years after release, the WoW forums are still plagued with "zomg X class is OP, nerf!" posts. 99% of those baseless complaints are made by little kids acting like sore losers after they got their asses handed to them.

Bottom line: Takes all these posts with a grain of salt. If you think NCSoft is going to let the game they've spent 5+ years developing meet an early grave, you've got another thing coming

[Helena]

Originally Posted by Infares

NCWest can't be blamed for that, they're a new company that's apparently cracking down on botters like a mofo recently. If they crack down that hard on a new game like Aion there's a chance that the problem won't ever get that bad to begin with.

Keep in mind NCWest is the NA/EU subsidiary and has different practices than the parent company.

theyre not new

they had city of heroes, guild wars, and lineage 1/2

not to mention tabula rasa

city of heroes was made in 2004

guild wars was made in 2005

lineage was made in 1998

since when were they new??

[elliot]

Originally Posted by Fleiva

Just as a friendly reminder, you're quoting a post that states bots are an issue. You're turning quite defensive here, is there something else about this thread that you aren't telling us? Why being so defensive and dissing entirely a player's argument while you're just reading forums? Trying to make a point?

Bots are a potential issue for every single game, on every single game bots can make things easier, yet most of those games don't have bots. Why? Because of their flawless GMs and protection measures? Let me doubt it, it's because of design, it's a risk vs reward situation, is the reward of botting in L2 better than the risk of being banned? It really is indeed, L2 is a game which leveling curve is impossible to swallow for anyone with a busy real life, does the same apply to Aion? From what I've seen, no, it doesn't. You can reach a competitive status in Aion without botting in a pair of months tops, skipping quests makes it slower, advoiding the abyss makes it slower, so, in a nutshell, you're just taking a huge risk for a minor reward if botting in Aion.

Let NCsoft act before jumping on their necks, the bots issue has just been spotted, they can't ban you just because they think you're a bot, they need to put measures in place before banning and that might take a pair of days, but due to the game design, a bunch of bans and bots will simply quit trying, cause the risk taken botting in this game is way higher than the rewards obtained out of doing it.

You were playing it as if bots weren't a big deal. Obviously, it is a big deal or there wouldn't be 5 new bot complaints popping up every 5 seconds in General forums right now. Should I take another ss?

You can make whatever justification for bots, but companies have NO excuse to allow bots to exist in their games. If they really cared, they would be actively patroling lvling areas, banning bots as they see them. From day 1 of WoW, I have not encountered a single bot to this day.

Something I am not telling? What? Is this a joke? Yes! I am hired by Blizzard to ruin Aion for you. -_- Dissing your opinion entirely? I am sorry didn't you just approach my post calling it a joke? Ok you played Aion to lvl 30. Do you even understand half of the stuff that goes on in the game right now? In terms of bigger picture, I probably know way more about Aion than you do.

They didn't ban bots in Lineage I. By design? Lineage I characters are worth far more than items to people who bot their healer. You still see bots everywhere in that game. Why? NCsoft doesn't care. ANother account = another 15 a month to them.

Players need to take a stronger stance about these issues or NCsoft isn't gonna care. I grow tired of taking crap from you. I took my time to share information about this because everyone here cares about this game and they deserve to know.

[Infares]

Originally Posted by Helena

theyre not new

they had city of heroes, guild wars, and lineage 1/2

not to mention tabula rasa

city of heroes was made in 2004

guild wars was made in 2005

lineage was made in 1998

since when were they new??

That's NC Austin. Apparently the company called 'NC West' was formed some time this year.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ncs...zard,6353.html

[Sickbrain]

Still, there shouldn't be a nuke with 4 sec cast that can one shot players. Ganking would be a big part of Aion PvP and when you gank someone you can always initiate your attack with 4 second cast. Obviously you don't cast it in the middle of a fight. But balance of classes doesn't really bother me that much. Eventually classes would be more or less balanced.

I'm kind of disappointed to her about lock of quests. If you are going to borrow ideas from WoW then borrow one of the best aspects of the game that made WoW big - the amount of quests the game has and rewards those quests give. There is absolutely no excuse not to have a variety of quests at the launch time. It doesn't take long to come up with new quests when you already have a quest blueprint. Players shouldn't be forced to go outside of towns and just kill mobs with a single purpose of gaining XP. It's dumb and it's boring.

[Night_Stalker]

Originally Posted by Fleiva

This is exactly what Im talking about. It's not about Mythic Banhammer policy, you'd be naive thinking so, it's because the gold in WAR doesn't matter and it's pretty easy to come by, cheaters try setting a market, they fail, they move away. A bunch of bans doesn't stop them period, game designs do.

Agreed. Bots are the majority of the population in L2 simply because everything is so insanely difficult to achieve, and everybody is looking for an easy way out. It's why you never see any bots in Guild wars either, money is almost completely worthless, not to mention you can hit the level cap in a few hours.

Even if bots are pouring in (which I highly doubt they are), let them. Within a month they'll figure out there's no demand for their services, and they'll move on to greener pastures

[Sabre]

Originally Posted by Fleiva

This is exactly what Im talking about. It's not about Mythic Banhammer policy, you'd be naive thinking so, it's because the gold in WAR doesn't matter and it's pretty easy to come by, cheaters try setting a market, they fail, they move away. A bunch of bans doesn't stop them period, game designs do.

Quoted for truth. It hasn't even been a week and people are complaining lol. This happens with every single game. Chill for a month and see how they handle it. If it becomes a huge issue we'll cry about it then.

[Helena]

Originally Posted by Infares

That's NC Austin. Apparently the company called 'NC West' was formed some time this year.

no, its ncsoft

where are you getting all these names from??

is there a nc iraq nc texas nc germany????

theyre all the same thing

[Adventzero]

Originally Posted by Fleiva

This is exactly what Im talking about. It's not about Mythic Banhammer policy, you'd be naive thinking so, it's because the gold in WAR doesn't matter and it's pretty easy to come by, cheaters try setting a market, they fail, they move away. A bunch of bans doesn't stop them period, game designs do.

This is very true Fleiva, you are absolutely right WAR gold really wasn't integral and that had a huge impact on the whole seller thing. I meant it more along the lines of showing the Mythic stance on goldsellers not really just their practice. They were very open about how they felt about it and didnt want any sellers in their game. But back to the bot issue with AION, do you think that a strong policy from NCWest would be enough to discourage botters?

[Infares]

Originally Posted by Helena

no, its ncsoft

where are you getting all these names from??

is there a nc iraq nc texas nc germany????

theyre all the same thing

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