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[eVenom]

Originally Posted by anarcho

nice said. I hope they will do something with the bot programs, not the botter himself, since they will always have new of those. Sadly even though people say NCWest is different, almost no one will believe that. Since NC is NC if you do bad work in korea it will affect the release in europe and us.

Just wondering, are they still stupid enough to actually use GameGuard on aion as well?

It may just be a mind set that the Korean mainhead of NCsoft has. We can generalize the whole company when we haven't really see anything new from them as yet.

/yuk at gameguard also, just too buggy and have seen little protection out of it. Maybe next time there is an interview, we need someone to talk about these problems, not about "Oh, how does the environment feel?" or "Tell me more about the lore (that we will learn about anyway)" so we can get some useful criticism going on. Action, not words, is what we need to see. But it's a bit too early for us to expect much from NCsoft West, is it not?

[BloodGem]

where fixes and updates are concerned i can tell you from experience that you cant just fix one bug and release an update for that bug alone and do this for every one of them. you make fixes and updates once or twice every month and you post the changes made on the forum or site.

I'm not working at a software company that makes games, but i work at a software company that makes software applications in different branches. So the fact that there are complaints about the game now doesnt necessarily mean that in 1 month there will be no update.

[GIS-83]

Fck Aion lets go play wow!

Wait can someone translate this for me?

[Trully]

Originally Posted by GIS-83

Fck Aion lets go play wow!

Wait can someone translate this for me?

win! xD


100% agree with GIS-83; in 3-4 months (near the EU/NA Aion realese) we will see how really good aion could be.

[anarcho]

Bloodgem i agree with you there,
but wouldn't you agree that your company that makes software have to actually make the customer believe you will fix the problem, or else you will loose the customer, and that isn't exactly the best way to do business.

ncsoft on the other hand hasn't exactly given us any real comfort in this area yet. l
2 still full of bots. (and some laziness from their side where you can't use scandinavian letters) and no wasd.. just laziness.. Apart from that, giving use nice expansions for free. unlike wow who recently made people pay for crappy extra content that lasted 5days .

on another note. ncwest should at least give us some news once in a while. Seriously atm it looks like people at this forum do more work then ncwest. At least people here translate news to us. while the homepage for us and eu is just dead with crappy story news once in a while.

[TwilightAngel]

Originally Posted by elliot

Hello people, it's been a while since I posted here. I've been playing WoW lately since Aion decided breaking my heart with its release dates. Anyway, I've been browsing through Aion forums again and wanted to share some of the stuff thats going on in there. (Because most of you seem to be clueless on whats really happening)

This is a snapshot of General forum in aion official site today.




No, I didn't play closed beta. No, I didn't play open beta, No, I am not playing retail KR Aion right now, but it doesn't take too much to see the problems here.

This screenshot is a great outline of what is going on Aion right now.

1. Pathetic Class balancing

- Mages are OP, OP, OP right now. Their "Hellfire" hits for 2k+ damage. They can basically one shot you if you are a ranger, or assassin (or a mage : P), 2 shot you if you are anything else except priests (who have one instant heal). NCsoft responded to this problem by making mages super weak physically. Apparently you die in 3 hits from elite mobs. Making PvE difficult for a class is not the right way to balance PvP.

- Chanters' buffs are non factors. In fact, priests have better buffs than chanters right now. Their role in parties are very unclear right now. They have lost their place in wanted-in-parties status. More and more people are saying they'd rather take another assassin or another healer. Their role in PvP is a deteriorated version of a priest that also has heals/rez.

- Depressing Abyss PvP for melees. An equal lvl/gear/skill melee cannot win against another mage/ranger in abyss. It is simply not possible.

- Summons cannot fly , rendering summoners absolutely useless in abyss. They are also the least wanted in PvE parties anywhere.

2. Oh NCsoft, you haven't changed!

- Bots, Bots, Bots, Bots, Bots, Bots. No comment.

http://aion.plaync.co.kr/board/serve...ootCategory=18

- Hacked? QQ QQQQQQQ

3. Other Issues


- Stiff Character movement. This issue was mentioned in not only open beta but also way back in closed beta stage. If you've been playing WoW, everything in Aion will feel unnatural and stiff, including flying.

- Ineffective Abyss balancing that NCsoft supposedly promised. I've seen an abyss status map from one of the servers and it showed 99% of the areas shown as Elyo controlled. If your server has overwhelminly large one race population, oh wells, better wish you are not on the minority side, because it means Abyss quests/loots/rewards will be sooo accessible to you. Hey, whatever happened to that dragon race?

- Questing is not the way to go past 20(Like you can't pull of that LEVEL TO 80 ONLY QUESTS! thing from WoW). Unless you want to be immensely frustrated and broke, you have to figure out which quests offer good rewards(and just do those) and play your character the classic grind style.

- Skill motion cancel exploit using item pick up macro - this is just an easier way of doing jumpshots. Basically, when you use skills in Aion, you have to go through this whole skill animation to use it, but by using item pick up macro, which resets your character movement, you can spam up to 3 skills in 1 skill without any delay. NCsoft hasn't addressed this issue at ALL. There's also rumors that Aion Dev actually designed the game so that jumpshot was possible, so people are unsure if they'll be fixing this or not.

For example.
/useskill Power shot 1
/delay 0.2
/pickupitem
/useskill Power ranger shot 2
/delay 0.2
/pickupitem
/useskill whateverchainskillgoinhere iii








But then again, there's still 3(?) months to go until we get to play the actual game. Let us dare to hope.

we already knew about the summons cant fly

[Sultan]

if you didnt notice that yet,nc west is perma banning masses of botters recently in lineage 2 servers in the past few weeks. the gms are going server by server and banning large numbers of bots. most ex l2 players dont know this coz we all quit lineage2 when it was still full of bots.

these gms are working for NC WEST, so be assured NC WEST will take care of this issue IF it is really an issue when its out in NA / EU.

i am not concerned at all that nc west will f*** up the botters pretty well. besides...i doubt its really profitable to bot much in aion.

thanks elliot for translating stuff for us.

[TwilightAngel]

Originally Posted by elliot

플레바인지 먼지는 무개념인가. 한국 유저들이 하는말들 못읽는 사람들 보라고 쓴글가지고 신나게 까대네. 한국포럼 보는사람들은 다 알어? 와 지랄이다. 지금 아이온 리니지랑 같다고 하는사람들이 한둘인줄 아냐 병신아.

If I was to prove myself here, I am guessing I'd have to every single post I read and translate those. Not only would that take forever, it would be way too much work to do for people who don't appreciate it.

If you think I am making this up, then kudos to you. I never made L2 comparison quest-wise. I said you shouldn't be expecting WoW's style of questing to level in Aion cuz that's not quite it. This game is like L2 in a way that it lacks depth in terms of pvp. It's about whose items are bluer. Its about which class NCsoft decided to make OP for the day. Whoever played l2 will know how NCsoft deals with bots. This is the same company here.

Botting is not neccesary? Did I say that it was..? People dun bot becuz they NEED to. They bot becuz its easier than doing it yourself. They are selling botting equipment in bunch of korean sites right now and NCsoft isn't doing jackshit.

im sorry to say but MY GOD your stating alot of stuff that we already know and is odd news to us.... we was already told how teh questing and EXP is going to be

[lyankyj]

Originally Posted by TwilightAngel

we was already told how teh questing and EXP is going to be

So what?He started a thread regarding todays complaints, what parts of the game have still problems... ""we knew that"", yeah, and this means the ones koreans are complaining about are still there. That is why he posted them - because the problem still exists.

[TwilightAngel]

Originally Posted by elliot

You were playing it as if bots weren't a big deal. Obviously, it is a big deal or there wouldn't be 5 new bot complaints popping up every 5 seconds in General forums right now. Should I take another ss?

You can make whatever justification for bots, but companies have NO excuse to allow bots to exist in their games. If they really cared, they would be actively patroling lvling areas, banning bots as they see them. From day 1 of WoW, I have not encountered a single bot to this day.

Something I am not telling? What? Is this a joke? Yes! I am hired by Blizzard to ruin Aion for you. -_- Dissing your opinion entirely? I am sorry didn't you just approach my post calling it a joke? Ok you played Aion to lvl 30. Do you even understand half of the stuff that goes on in the game right now? In terms of bigger picture, I probably know way more about Aion than you do.

They didn't ban bots in Lineage I. By design? Lineage I characters are worth far more than items to people who bot their healer. You still see bots everywhere in that game. Why? NCsoft doesn't care. ANother account = another 15 a month to them.

Players need to take a stronger stance about these issues or NCsoft isn't gonna care. I grow tired of taking crap from you. I took my time to share information about this because everyone here cares about this game and they deserve to know.

im sorry to say but you do know like 10 ppl could be complain about the same bot RIGHT????? so you points are invalid. Just bc ppl are spamming bot post doesn't mean each one of them are talking about a different bot

Originally Posted by elliot

You can make whatever justification for bots, but companies have NO excuse to allow bots to exist in their games. If they really cared, they would be actively patroling lvling areas, banning bots as they see them. From day 1 of WoW, I have not encountered a single bot to this day.

and yet i and many guildies i know in WOW was being spammed by gold bots in WoW lol. by the time i left WoW i prob submitted like over 200 reports

[Celebrity]

Originally Posted by t0yo

Delux I'm so proud of you right now


Delux worded something I was trying to point out in people. I mean flevia and lyankj actually were trying to argue with him with him rationally challenging his ideas not just go "Lolol ****ing noob flaming Aion, WoW fanboi haha" like some other ****** bags were doing =/



Max a game can last is usually 2-3 years for anyone. Most noticeable with mmos since the industry is always growing. Growing in a figurative state mind you

well for me that depends on the game i do play L2 for longer then that (off course going quiting and coming back every now and then), but still the forum spam, i've saw it before and man it was too much "deja vú" for me... Keep in mind taht i will play the game no matter if the bot issue will be around or not (i will report every time i see one like i do in L2, belive me i lose a lot of my game time doing it this, why that? Because bots take most of the best lvl spot with entire partys, and if you kill the party usually a some high lvl owner in s grade show up.

[Key]

This is bad news the reasons I want to get away from the game I am playing now are 1. It's to expensive to play and 2. There are so many gold botters it is hard to log on. This kind of news is frustrating to say the least I have been waiting patiently for a while now for Aions release and this could be the deciding factor in whether I play or not.

[Check]

One thing I can say..

Im not gonna quit Aion just because of botters.

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Check

One thing I can say..

Im not gonna quit Aion just because of botters.

Neither am I

I guess I'm one of the few people that has never cared about bots while playing retail L2, and I've played for a long time.
And no, I've never "botted" myself, I'm against those things, but what can I do except PKing them when I have the chance... it's rather funny actually, do a "bot hunting day".

The only bad side I can see is ingame economy-wise, that's the real issue in my opinion....

[BloodGem]

anarcho - it is true that when a client submits a bug, glitch, etc. you tell them that their input has been taken into account and something will be done about it, but you dont promise anything like "it will be fixed in the next patch" some bugs are bigger then others, some require more attention then others and quite frankly some times you dont have the time do all of the submissions. But in the Aion case this applies to korean public only and i say this because the company i work at provides the larger market (this case the market of my country) with the news of bugs and fixes more than the smaller markets (foreign markets) which only get news that updates have been made. I say this so you can understand that Kr Aion management is obligated (in a way) to provide support and news of updates and such to the korean market only, not to us, the biggest news we can get about the kr version may be that "first update has been released" or smth like that, but nothing more, it is not their problem that we do not have detailed news, and why should they, we will have our own support team when the time comes.