Directfeed from Korean forums, Take Two

[Livvy]

It takes Money to solve this, teams of people, and tbh, it just wouldn't be cost-effective for them to pursue the issue in the same manor Blizzard has.

You do realize Blizzard redesigned the entire game's economy ,don't you? Tackling this problem with system security measures only will not work. I have seen it being tried in countless MMO's - including WoW- and the goldsellers are always one step ahead of you.Check all those MMO's with Nprotect,gameguard etc.

Are there no bots in those games ? of course there are ! And that's because of the game-design itself. No matter what you do : if the demand is there, companies will make sure they can cater for the supply - by any means possible.

[Diatress]

Originally Posted by Livvy

You do realize Blizzard redesigned the entire game's economy ,don't you? Tackling this problem with system security measures only will not work. I have seen it being tried in countless MMO's - including WoW- and the goldsellers are always one step ahead of you.Check all those MMO's with Nprotect,gameguard etc.

Are there no bots in those games ? of course there are ! And that's because of the game-design itself. No matter what you do : if the demand is there, companies will make sure they can cater for the supply - by any means possible.

The most cost efficient way to solve any I.T. problem (resolving botting is an I.T. issue at its CORE, don't make me explain why there's not enough coffee), is how? To redesign the software? No that's the highest in Cost and Time even though this would be the RIGHT way to solve the issue. So what could it be then? Hm...

Software Re-design of the product and its mechanics.
Hardware along with software.
However at the least.. Hardware.

There are many solutions to this issue. MANY. Ncsoft knows this, but instead tried a software solution that FAILED miserably to block the most popular botting programs avaible today (L2Walker/L2Superman). NCsoft knew this even before they implemented GameGaurd, and now all they do is give the community excuses as to why they can't resolve this issue.

My God. How do financial firms prevent Fraud? How do Communication Giants prevent their transmission mediums from being hacked?

How do MMO Companies prevent Botting?

There's a science behind everything. There are solutions for every problem. We the community are the ones willing to pay for a service. They are the ones with the responsibility to shape up and deliver that service.

They fail at servicing their own customers.

[shol]

You hate bots, we hate bots. All good, take a breath.

[Dominator]

I don't think the EU Aion will have that much bot probs.. big % of the ppl doing powerleveling are koreans so an IP restriction will lower this kind of issue.

[Chob]

Originally Posted by Dominator

I don't think the EU Aion will have that much bot probs.. big % of the ppl doing powerleveling are koreans so an IP restriction will lower this kind of issue.

Yea that girl from the powerleveling website who phoned me was talking about something like cao ni ma, I think it's korean

[Arvalo85]

Originally Posted by Delux

Because, as I said before, there's a shitload of people blowing NCsoft over this game. He's the ONLY one who posts negative stuff and he's doing a job that needs to be done.

There's no reasoning with people like you who reads with both hands over their eyes.

yeah ok whatever dude, im PLAYING the game currently so im one of the few around here NOT reading with my hands over my eyes because i have seen first hand how the game runs and feels. Maybe you would know that if you spent one minute on the screen shots thread instead of being on this one getting behind the nay sayers.

Sure the game has some minor issues but they are just that minor! This game is in infancy and still has a long way to come. You should listen to Ayese when he says that we need to just wait it out for our english version before you start jumping up in arms that this or that is a problem.

First everybody complains crys and moans that its not out and then when its out you guys complain that this isnt working like you want or this isnt perfect yet.....

so moronic.

the fact of matter is as releases go Aion's has been FAR ahead of every other major MMO to come out recently which had full releases in US/EU close to resembling closed beta playability. So when you make stupid comments like that do your research.

I still think all these dumb kids picking on Aion before we even get our hands on an english/fixed version is stupid. All your doing is making rumors and problems which is exactly what the PlayNC community managers asked us NOT TO DO as well lowering the potential player base.

Aion source is lately becoming a base for complaining about this game rather then being excited about its upcoming release in US/EU

[Diatress]

Originally Posted by Arvalo85

Aion source is lately becoming a base for complaining about this game rather then being excited about its upcoming release in US/EU

A base for having a voice.

You either speak now, not that much will matter even with millions pettioning the company.. Or just wait for release and when the WO-AI-NI/WO-SHA-NI's start flying. .www.eve-online.com.

peace.

[Dominator]

Usually I don't read the entire posts but I got addicted to this thread too.. why you ppl cry so much about b0ts? Ok they are bad, I think the same but I DON'T CARE. I just simply ignore them in any mmorpg I play, I don't even think about them while I play and I enjoy this very much.

Btw Arvalo85 is damn right... too much b1tchin` the past 3 months in our forum.

[ThatAznGuy]

Bots are not fun...and I left Rohan because of it... but Aion still is an amazing MMO, so i'm gona reserve any judgment until I see for myself, as well as how the devs handle the problem.

[Arvalo85]

Originally Posted by Diatress

A base for having a voice.

You either speak now, not that much will matter even with millions pettioning the company.. Or just wait for release and when the WO-AI-NI/WO-SHA-NI's start flying. .EVE Online - a massive multiplayer online roleplaying space game - MMORPG.

peace.

A voice that isn't valid till youve played it yourself.

Your basically saying that Illegal aliens should be allowed to vote IMO. Hell being an english player playing a korean game i would say that even Myself and others like me aren't really in a place to complain about this game.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by ThatAznGuy

Bots are not fun...and I left Rohan because of it... but Aion still is an amazing MMO, so i'm gona reserve any judgment until I see for myself, as well as how the devs handle the problem.

Good choice. That is what more people should be doing.

[Arvalo85]

Originally Posted by Mark

Good choice. That is what more people should be doing.

Which is exactly what EVERYBODY should be doing : /

[Diatress]

Originally Posted by Arvalo85

Which is exactly what EVERYBODY should be doing : /

To be fair, a large majority (and i mean a HUGE majority of players that will play aion longer than 6months are ex- L2 players) have done exactly what you're saying.

Sit back and just wait and watch.

yea.. we did that for the previous Ncsoft MegaHit.

What happened there?

History doesn't repeat itself i forgot, i'll refrain from posting.

Word.

[Meldarion]

Before you read this keep in mind this is only my opinion based on my personal experience, far from a valid source. The only problems I see with Aion so far is class balance, animation-skip-by-jumping bug, bots and melees need to be directly on top of someone to swing.

The class balance isn't as bad as some have made it out to be, but it does need work. Sorcerers aren't actually to bad with hellfire having lower accuracy, still hits a bit to hard but sorc die REAL fast so its not to bad at all as long as you are watching out for them. Rangers could use a dmg boost and cut out that stupid jump shot bug. Melee have a hell of a time getting ranged classes although that might work itself out with the extendable weapons assuming they aren't painfully hard to get.

The animation-skip-by-jumping bug is just out right stupid. Not every knows about it and not everyone can do it. It's pretty tough to do it when you are running all over the place in pvp not to mention you can't do it in flight, or at least I can't lol. So no class should have to depend on that BS - take it out and make them balance without it!

Bots really isn't a huge deal to people that will be playing the NA/EU version as, obviously, bots will be monitored by a different studio and seeing how they dealt with L2 I'm confident/praying that it will be fine.

As I stated before the melee classes have trouble getting ranged classes. Melees have to be directly on top of the person to swing at them, which is annoying and difficult when no one stops moving and melees have very few skills to stop people. Although It may be work out with stigmas to get more skills, I noticed glads specifically have quite a few holds and ways to stop people through stigma. If there aren't any good stigma skills to stop people hopefully the extendable weapons and fix that problem.

I see that Aion has its problems but at least (most) of them aren't really bug problems. Other than the jump shot bug its mostly just the team tweaking out classes and working real hard! We can depend on them, right.............?

[finalfight]

Originally Posted by t0yo

I severely doubt their effect in whatever changes they will want to make in the game. Korean have and always will be stubborn.

How much hold does NcSoft West even have on the korean developers to tell them to implement several features we want?

p.s. was my previous post deleted on page 3 o.o

Ayase, can you please answer this question... (in bold lines)