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[Sickbrain]

Works fine for wow.

[alexawp]

Originally Posted by Fleiva

Which one is the lesser of the two evils? Dead economy or complete absence of bots/RMT.

Emmm ok try playing without economy!!!

It'll be grind grind grind untill you get something nice....and if you are unlucky you will newer get any epic stuff-->you will newer defeat lucky guys(who got some epic stuff or maybe even whole set)-->you wil always get ****ed off--> you will eventualy leave the game!!!

Economy is important!!!

[Livvy]

For economy to be stable there has to be somthing of high value which can be used in trade, seing as trading items is not always possible(no equal trade)

You're all still thinking "cash" - as in AH or trading - while you can make money of secondary importance by adjusting the quest rewards . Make very good items Bind on pickup ( maybe account based so you can send to any of your alts ) .In WoW I usually don't even bother putting stuff on AH anymore-unless it's blue or better - because you're guaranteed a reasonable price when selling to a vendor . Also: quest rewards-in terms of cash- are so high you're unlikely to even have to "work the AH" to be able to purchase stuff you need.

You have to get rid of the money - dependency completely if you want to get rid of or limit bots.

BOP is a retarded concept that ruins variety and economy and only was introduced to counter bots.

No,it isn't : it is a valid tool to combat bots and is still very much needed. You don't have to make everything BoP though, just the über-gear . What you need to do is make quest rewards so good there simply is no need for hard currency to buy necessities( armor and weapon which is more than adequate at your level for example ). If you also add sizeable gold rewards with quests it takes away a lot of the demand for gold.

[Caim]

But there are also other things to take into account other than game currency or full loot. Crafting for instance. Even if crafted gear were bound on creation or something, if they were worth it to make, there would be demand for crafting materials. If bots don't farm for gold or full drops, then craft materials would suffice. Of course, the only reason I could see them making the effort to farm for anything other than currency would be if currency was still in demand, otherwise, what currency would they sell materials for?

[alexawp]

Well yes this might help...a little bit though!!!

You see if they will make everything demendeble on the quests than in the end everyone will be the same ...same armor , same weapon, same stats. MMMM i reealy hate that kind of things.

It would be nice if we could take away all the money dependence but it would ruin the world : \ .If you think about it money is nothing more than a piece of paper...it is just somthing people thought of to use it in trade, money is somthing of high value even though it is useless in emmmm almost anything ))(i mean you can't make a NORMAL house out of the bills)

Mmmmm i think that's all there is to it.There will always be items which are needed for people and those items might be unneeded for some classes but the persen who can wear that item simply has nothing to trade....but for example he has alot of money....sooo for succesfullt trade that item he has to pay out.(In life even bottle caps ot even rocks could have become money...if people want to(just need te the approval of the entire world ) XD

[Terpsichore]

I still say that bop is a dumb concept that hurts more than it helps, its not likely bots can farm bosses.

As for trading system, it could be like diablo 2 where gold had no value whatsoever and there only was item trading, so people started to use some items as "currency" (sojs, high runes, etc), and it worked pretty good, trading was actually THE major part of game.

Its harder to do the same in a mmo, but i'm sure there are ways, i don't like the idea of "dead" items that are struck on your char and even if you won't use them anymore, all you can do is vendor them. Plus bop system is highly restricted to attendance, and cases when x person wanted y item with very low drop rate, which finally dropped but that person wasn't present, sucks alot.

Plus its just unrealistic in every way.

[alexawp]

Emm i think i already explayned )))

Anything what is used in trading is equal to money.
If they start using some runes jewels hats boots (trunks o_O i dont know) BOTS will just start farming those items, If you want to get rid of the BOTS you have to take care of THEM and not of the game economy!!!Only thing i saw in games which was well kinda "good antiBOT system" was when after an hour or so there would pop up a message it asks you to enter a code (for example enter code 547) and you can't type it on the keyboard you have to use mouse and press the numbers on the field which came out with the message.Code was random so there will be almost no way some BOTS could gues it and anyway to enter the code you have to move your mouse and press it in the right order....ah i forgot numberson that field were moving (first they were like 123 and next one378
456 216
789 549
Well or any way around!!!
For normal players who went AFK not to get banned i think there could be a system which will just throw them out of the game and sent info on the char who didn't respond to the GM's than they could check that persen out.It's a hard work and all buut atleast it should work normaly.

[Valkadesh]

See, this is much more reasonable.

I'm wondering why they're focusing so much on attack speed with rangers. How fast do they want to be? Archer machine guns are not something I want to be encountering on the battlefield. I don't know exactly how slow their attack is, but I have a feeling they would get much more accomplished by simply increasing damage or decreasing delays in skills rather than trying to speed their attacks up.

The bot issue with NCsoft continues to be disconcerting. I mean, this is seriously potentially game killing and should be taken way more seriously. Their first mistake was using loving GameGuard to "protect" their game. That program causes more conflicts on legitimate users than I have ever seen before, and it's "carbon copy protection" which means not only is it extremely well known to botters/exploiters, but they have had extensive previous experience in bypassing it entirely. The fact that GameGuard is the only thing they put in place is a complete joke and a slap in the face right away. The fact that blatant and obvious bots are not being banned is still a complete mystery. It's to a point where nothing short of complete apathy to the situation to full on cooperation with the bots could explain how horribly lax they've been in all of their games. A company should not be WELL KNOWN FOR BOTS IN THEIR MMO. People bailed out of Lineage 2 because of it, and people are not going to put up with this crap once again in a new game. Aion may very well fail for no other reason than bots completely devastating the game and driving away the community.

As for the Socs, I just see it as the WAR bright wizard issue all over again. "Oh no! Flavor of the month players don't have a super over powered class to play anymore! QQQQQQQ"

[Caim]

Originally Posted by Terpsichore

I still say that bop is a dumb concept that hurts more than it helps, its not likely bots can farm bosses.

As for trading system, it could be like diablo 2 where gold had no value whatsoever and there only was item trading, so people started to use some items as "currency" (sojs, high runes, etc), and it worked pretty good, trading was actually THE major part of game.

Its harder to do the same in a mmo, but i'm sure there are ways, i don't like the idea of "dead" items that are struck on your char and even if you won't use them anymore, all you can do is vendor them. Plus bop system is highly restricted to attendance, and cases when x person wanted y item with very low drop rate, which finally dropped but that person wasn't present, sucks alot.

Plus its just unrealistic in every way.

Well, unless you cound L2. Bots could systematically take down the majority of bosses as soon as they spawned, and did so within mere seconds, thus controlling the economy by monopolizing on drops, selling them for however much they wanted, and in doing so, reclaimed the currency they sold the buyer for real cash. Then the process starts all over again. Of course, I don't know how it is in Aion.

[Valkadesh]

Removing money dependency will not remove bots. They will always find something to farm and sell. If gold becomes unprofitable, they'll lock down and start camping gear. If gear becomes bind only, they'll start PLing and selling accounts/characters. Look at WAR, where money is essentially completely worthless, and yet it still has thousands of bots running around and spamming because someone, somewhere, will be a moron and pay out the *** for 100gp they'll never use. The only thing to do is hinder their progress via mechanics and keep up on filtering spam/banning accounts.

[Caim]

I can see it now: Elyos and Asmodians making rift pacts for exterminating bots, lol.

Also, I wonder if there would be a decline of bots if the currency of the country they were trying to gain from wasn't worth as much as another...

[HarukaBanchou]

Rift pacts for bot extermination is not a bad idea... it's a win win situation. Free abyss points and less bots on the server.

Only problem is the newbie zones...

OR we can do it like RF Online and introduce some chaos pots... so you can pk your own race ;p

[alexawp]

Emmm how do you imagin that ?? o_O

I bet well not less than 40% of the players will not assist in this "event".It's just too troublesome for most of the people...they will whine about BOTS but will newer doo anything about it themselves.Well usualy that's the case!!!

[Valkadesh]

The surname Botslayer must be held by many, and strike fear in their mechanical botter hearts.

[Hillseeker]

Good work Elliot.
By the time AION goes live in NA/EU we should have an idea on how NCsoft going to handle things like this.