Bat Wings Gone?

[skrapegoat]

My main problem with this is I feel as if a choice has been taken from me. Before the the change if you wanted feathers you could go with Elyos. If you wanted membranous wings you could roll Asmodian. Now i feel like im forced into feathers. Also, im not to thrilled about the design of them. Some of the feathers look nearly as large as the characters body :-P

Feels like bait and switch

[persepha]

I love the looks of the new asmodian wings. I thought the bat wings fit the "personality" better for the asmodians, but if Id play asmodian Id definitely not want the old ones ^_^

[Grobyc]

The one problem I have with the black feather wings is just that it makes it look like they're fallen angels whereas Elyos are the normal angels. Of course, that's not how the lore would be nor is that their intention, but it does give off that impression. So instead of doing angels vs. demons, they did angels vs. fallen angels. Just seems like a weird move to me and I'm not sure exactly what the reason is, I do hope someone helps and clarify their reason. Is it just for aesthetics or is it because they feel that the wings were the reason why people weren't playing Asmodians? Or maybe there is lore that would fit much better?

[skrapegoat]

I dunno, i guess id need to hear their explanation before i can make a decision if it fits better with the lore or not. To me it's thrown the whole look of the asmodians off ... the pointy ears, fangs, claws and the leathery wings just seemed to work really well together. I know others have a different view, but visually they didn't look silly to me at all ... most mammals capable of flight have those types of wing structure.

if they did it just to balance the number of people playing each faction .... i think it's jumping the gun a bit

[Twiggey]

I really liked the old wings better. I'm saddened by this change. Guess we'll have to see if it stays or not.

[Heinel]

Originally Posted by adrianus

no I got ur point .. but if u have to say that to me do it on Chitchat and we can flame about that. this thread is about wings.. not how u think I am or w.e. u try to say to me

Okay, just try not to derail anymore threads outside of the Chit Chat forum.

[Zanaionic]

Originally Posted by skrapegoat

I dunno, i guess id need to hear their explanation before i can make a decision if it fits better with the lore or not. To me it's thrown the whole look of the asmodians off ... the pointy ears, fangs, claws and the leathery wings just seemed to work really well together. I know others have a different view, but visually they didn't look silly to me at all ... most mammals capable of flight have those types of wing structure.

if they did it just to balance the number of people playing each faction .... i think it's jumping the gun a bit

The explanation can be seen in the lore. the Asmodians and Elyos are nearly the Same people with different physical features and adaptations. the only reason they are different is due to the amount of sunlight they each received in their respective homeland areas. I personally think the New wings fit the lore much better.

Just read through the lore on the official page and you will see what i mean.

[ANIMEniac]

i agree with Zanaionic i think the new wings acrually fit more since the 2 factions are the same ppl in ancestry.

[Kwal]

The new wings might make me pick asmodae.

[Ecco]

>.> The lore made me pick Asmodae, not just wings.

[osric]

Originally Posted by Zanaionic

The explanation can be seen in the lore. the Asmodians and Elyos are nearly the Same people with different physical features and adaptations. the only reason they are different is due to the amount of sunlight they each received in their respective homeland areas. I personally think the New wings fit the lore much better.

Just read through the lore on the official page and you will see what i mean.

As stated before in this thread, if you're going to use the lore as the reason for the wing change then you can use the lore to scrap the claws and the manes. Why would they need manes and claws just because they're in a darker area? The bat wings were a perfect look for a darkness race, seeing as how bats are nocturnal animals. There was a cohesive theme to the asmodians before, and now there is not. The feather wings do make them "closer" to the Elyos, but what's the point in that? They're supposed to be different. Again, why keep the claws, manes, and ears but drop the wings? If they really wanted to keep with the lore, then the Asmodians would look exactly like the Elyos just with different coloring and eyes. I'm really disappointed in the change.

That's all just my opinion, of course. The change is cool for all of you that like the new wings better.

[Eyrie]

Quite an unimaginative change of events.

[Shatterproof]

I'm a big supporter of the new wing design. I think it does fit much better lore wise. Daeva are human-like until they get a jumpstart in evolution due to divine intervention. Asmodian's simply continue that trend. They developed different eyes due to the dark, claws due to the terrain, and the mane due to the cold. This took place over time and makes perfect sense, as they are additions to an existing template. Creatures get larger, smaller, offensive / defensive advantages, and adaptations to thrive in their environment but, they maintain their original base theme.

The biggest reason I'm a fan of this is because it tends to lessen the stereo-typical 'bad guy' image. Some say they look like 'fallen angels' but, fallen angels traditionally appeared as demons. They became manifestations of the horrors of Hell. From what I can tell, the Balaur finally fit into a role. Daeva were angelic, Balaur are fiery/draconic/demonic. Asmodians fall in the middle and thats good. It enriches their story. The Asmodians can't be as easily dismissed, since they're still visibly Daeva. Their outsider status and differing attributes makes them easier to 'villain-ize' by the admittedly 'high society-esque' Eylos, who seem to be approaching a point of vanity and arrogance. So whats better? To take the said of angelic beings who have been twisted by their anger and become darker by nature to survive? Or to side with angelic beings who have grown too proud in their beauty and superiority?

.... If your going with the angels/fallen angels/demons theory, fallen angels succumbed to pride of their own magnificence and it lead them to wage a holy war that they lost. Being cast out was a punishment for being the aggressors and refusing to serve humanity. Theres traits of both races in there somewhere. Aggression vs Arrogance. The big question becomes whether or not the Daeva can ever become one race again and, no matter the victor, are they simply spiraling towards their own great fall?

[GrOuNd HoG]

I love the new Asmodian wings. Much better looking than the bat wings in my opinion.

[Zanaionic]

Originally Posted by Shatterproof

I'm a big supporter of the new wing design. I think it does fit much better lore wise. Daeva are human-like until they get a jumpstart in evolution due to divine intervention. Asmodian's simply continue that trend. They developed different eyes due to the dark, claws due to the terrain, and the mane due to the cold. This took place over time and makes perfect sense, as they are additions to an existing template. Creatures get larger, smaller, offensive / defensive advantages, and adaptations to thrive in their environment but, they maintain their original base theme.

The biggest reason I'm a fan of this is because it tends to lessen the stereo-typical 'bad guy' image. Some say they look like 'fallen angels' but, fallen angels traditionally appeared as demons. They became manifestations of the horrors of Hell. From what I can tell, the Balaur finally fit into a role. Daeva were angelic, Balaur are fiery/draconic/demonic. Asmodians fall in the middle and thats good. It enriches their story. The Asmodians can't be as easily dismissed, since they're still visibly Daeva. Their outsider status and differing attributes makes them easier to 'villain-ize' by the admittedly 'high society-esque' Eylos, who seem to be approaching a point of vanity and arrogance. So whats better? To take the said of angelic beings who have been twisted by their anger and become darker by nature to survive? Or to side with angelic beings who have grown too proud in their beauty and superiority?

.... If your going with the angels/fallen angels/demons theory, fallen angels succumbed to pride of their own magnificence and it lead them to wage a holy war that they lost. Being cast out was a punishment for being the aggressors and refusing to serve humanity. Theres traits of both races in there somewhere. Aggression vs Arrogance. The big question becomes whether or not the Daeva can ever become one race again and, no matter the victor, are they simply spiraling towards their own great fall?

Holy crap thats the perfect Description. Very nice way to put it.

As stated before in this thread, if you're going to use the lore as the reason for the wing change then you can use the lore to scrap the claws and the manes. Why would they need manes and claws just because they're in a darker area? The bat wings were a perfect look for a darkness race, seeing as how bats are nocturnal animals. There was a cohesive theme to the asmodians before, and now there is not. The feather wings do make them "closer" to the Elyos, but what's the point in that? They're supposed to be different. Again, why keep the claws, manes, and ears but drop the wings? If they really wanted to keep with the lore, then the Asmodians would look exactly like the Elyos just with different coloring and eyes. I'm really disappointed in the change.

That's all just my opinion, of course. The change is cool for all of you that like the new wings better.

Shatterproof's post answers this statement. They are not supposed to be So Drastically Different that noone will ever know that they were once 1 people. The Demonic bat wings made teh Asmodians more Demonic than Devine. They are Devine beings just the same as the Elyos are but have been Twisted by the Darkness that they were thrown into. As shatterproof said they ADAPTED to the environment. The wings really didnt have a quality of Adaptation but were just Asthetically different. you could say that the Asmo wings are Black now due to change of skin tone (if you wanna get scientific lol i can.....but id rather not.) and the lack of sun to Bleach/Lighten. with Lowered Visibility the glowing eyes add to visibility and the ears can be said to highten the senses to make the asmodian MORE aware in a more vicious . The claws could be an adaptation for what Shatterproof had stated:terrain.

again i say that the Demonic batwings had little purpose compared to the other distinct features of the Asmodians. i personally am very happy they are changed. I like them the way they were but now they are even more likeable.