The Effects of Stigma

[XemnasXD]

i wouldn't mind it if they used a polearm as long as it was balanced. I like the idea of the Stigma system, it allows you to really create a character designed for your playing style. Thats really hard to find in this MMO world where once you pick a class your stuck with it, no alterations, no leway. I think the stigma system should be used to improve you, personally, like to play your assassin. Like i said it'd be cool is using the polearm greatly lowered def, and took away your evasion rating or something while using daggers allows you to crit alot more, something like that. Thanks to the chain system we already now this won't be PvP you can win by key spamming, so i'd welcome the challenge of fighting an assassin using a polearm vs my assassin using double daggers as long as i wasn't penalized from the start just because i wasn't using the polearm as well.

[Aggelos]

That's it, the point is not to forbid customization. I would like to choose between a lot of weapons but with different pros and cons. I mean... an assassin with a polearm should hit harder than a dagger assassin, so some skills should do massive damage, but they should hit slower and with less crits and less accuracy.

[eVenom]

Originally Posted by Aggelos

That's it, the point is not to forbid customization. I would like to choose between a lot of weapons but with different pros and cons. I mean... an assassin with a polearm should hit harder than a dagger assassin, so some skills should do massive damage, but they should hit slower and with less crits and less accuracy.

I agree; they should at least take in consideration when you use a certain weapon, there are pros and cons.

[Aggelos]

As I said in the video post... this is REALLY ****ing me off... REALLY... she killed a cleric and a sorc in 2 secs!... It's maybe ok for a sorc but... a cleric?! wtf... this is ... they really need to fix this. I want to know it korean testers have complain already about this.

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[2aimless]

Originally Posted by Aggelos

As I said in the video post... this is REALLY ****ing me off... REALLY... she killed a cleric and a sorc in 2 secs!... It's maybe ok for a sorc but... a cleric?! wtf... this is ... they really need to fix this. I want to know it korean testers have complain already about this.

Sure Sorcs have no right to live... No Rock Scissor Paper crap please! Assasin is a Highdmg char on a high level against Lowlevel guys. So what?

[Aggelos]

The point is she's using a pole ¬¬

[XemnasXD]

theres nothing wrong with using the pole thats what Stigma is all about. We're here to discuss the effects of the Stigma system as it pertains to Assassin, most of us are assassins who enjoy playing assassins the way they are supposed to be played, duel wielding, high damage, hit and run, leave you swearing mofos. And if you choose to do that with a polearm, thats awrite. We're just concerned that it will make using classic assassin fighting weapons useless because theres no drawback to using the polearm which already does alot more damage than daggers and shortswords. There should be drawbacks for an assassin to use a polearm something that makes the return risky to use, otherwise all assassins will rock Polearms cause they'd be stupid to choose anything else.

you said it yourself, don't forbid customization, just make sure its worth being custom instead of a clone of every other rogue.

[Aggelos]

The point is it's not a choice between pole and dual daggers... pole has proved to hit way much more than daggers, even in pvp.

[Haubix]

Well... significantly increase the damage output due dagger masteries, so daggers do more damage than any other wielding weapon.

[BloodyAngel]

I don't know they have to balance their abilities more... Consider a ranger with healing skills and abilities.No one could ever own him

[XemnasXD]

Originally Posted by BloodyAngel

I don't know they have to balance their abilities more... Consider a ranger with healing skills and abilities.No one could ever own him

maybe not in one on one, against a melee character but healing takes time and during that time assassins could stun, mages could bind, etc....they won't be unstoppable you'll just have to think more instead of key spamming. I think they should just make it so that an assassin wielding a polearm has significantly lower defense its a quick fix thats makes using a polearm risky but doesn't remove the damage so its still worth it to some ppl

[eVenom]

Originally Posted by XemnasXD

maybe not in one on one, against a melee character but healing takes time and during that time assassins could stun, mages could bind, etc....they won't be unstoppable you'll just have to think more instead of key spamming. I think they should just make it so that an assassin wielding a polearm has significantly lower defense its a quick fix thats makes using a polearm risky but doesn't remove the damage so its still worth it to some ppl

Or reduce attack speed or even running speed since they aren't normal acquainted with polearm.

[Janis]

I'm fine with polearms, besides the assassin is a much higher level than anyone she fights. Different is good, I fail to understand how anyone can complain of increased customization.

Reading the posts it seems that people are upset because Aion assassins don't fit the cookie cutter assassin mold. If you prefer to be the stereotypical assassin that is fine by me. But, being upset since you don't want to be different then no one else should be different, that doesn't sound right. It sounds like I art mightier than though(since I don't believe in a polearm assassin you shouldn't either attitude).

Furthermore on the level difference most korean mmo's I have played make it so that you have a very slim chance of beating another play even 5 levels higher than you. Compared to Age of Conan where a level 70 has a fair chance against a level 80. You have no idea how frustrating it is to be defeated by someone much lower level than you and then have them rub it in your face. I like WoW's golden rule: if you see a skull where their level should be... you run for your life(10 levels).

I think it was a mistake on the part of the assassin making that video because not only causing outrage in non assassin classes I'm surprised that it even causes outrage in assassins themselves. I mean there is no way that anyone of us can know the true cost or benefit of using a polearm. The only thing the video accomplishes is causes majority of the people that watch it to get angry and rant and a few assassins to gawk in amazement. Besides who here pays attention to the players level when watching a video? I know I watch the pretty numbers... but coming to a conclusion solely based on that is just plain wrong.

[Valerossi0]

The main problem about an assassin with an polearm seems to be why choose an gladiator than ?.

If i see what skills and rogue got how fast they attack and what damage they make with pole and even can charge, i dont see an reason for me anymore to take an gladiator.
I thought to be special as gladiator in heavy gear fighting with an polearm, but if assassins that meant to be fast fighters can do the same heavy with poles , than please explain me some more reasons to go gladiator.

[Aggelos]

Originally Posted by Janis

I'm fine with polearms, besides the assassin is a much higher level than anyone she fights. Different is good, I fail to understand how anyone can complain of increased customization.

Reading the posts it seems that people are upset because Aion assassins don't fit the cookie cutter assassin mold. If you prefer to be the stereotypical assassin that is fine by me. But, being upset since you don't want to be different then no one else should be different, that doesn't sound right. It sounds like I art mightier than though(since I don't believe in a polearm assassin you shouldn't either attitude).

Furthermore on the level difference most korean mmo's I have played make it so that you have a very slim chance of beating another play even 5 levels higher than you. Compared to Age of Conan where a level 70 has a fair chance against a level 80. You have no idea how frustrating it is to be defeated by someone much lower level than you and then have them rub it in your face. I like WoW's golden rule: if you see a skull where their level should be... you run for your life(10 levels).

I think it was a mistake on the part of the assassin making that video because not only causing outrage in non assassin classes I'm surprised that it even causes outrage in assassins themselves. I mean there is no way that anyone of us can know the true cost or benefit of using a polearm. The only thing the video accomplishes is causes majority of the people that watch it to get angry and rant and a few assassins to gawk in amazement. Besides who here pays attention to the players level when watching a video? I know I watch the pretty numbers... but coming to a conclusion solely based on that is just plain wrong.

You're not getting it. I'm not complaining about the assassin lore (well, it's an important thing too), but the thing is there isn't a choice anymore, if a polearm hasn't any disadvantages, why would be the point in using daggers or swords or any other weapon. It has proved to hit harder, there are at least 5 videos showing how that polearm assassin does over 1000 damage even to bosses, when a gladiator can barely hit 900. And as said above, why would be the point in being a gladiator?

I know there isn't a true comparison, it can be a level difference, weapon difference, or whatever, but there are enough proves already. I don't think that assassin hits only low level chars and mobs to show-off.