New PC Budget, $2200 setup.

[Diablo]

He has business 64, home 32 was thrown in with the CPU. That is the part that affects the RAM, not the version other than Basic. Home Premium supports more the ram its just the bit part that doesn't.

[Masblaster]

Originally Posted by Diablo

He has business 64, home 32 was thrown in with the CPU. That is the part that affects the RAM, not the version other than Basic. Home Premium supports more the ram its just the bit part that doesn't.

Maybe I am not reading it right but it says for


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"Since only a maximum of 4GB virtual memory address range is available in Windows Vista, which are sub-divided or allocated some memory address range to manage both the computer’s PCI memory address range (also known as MMIO) which used for system video graphics cards, BIOS, IO cards, networking, PCI hubs, bus bridges, PCI-Express, and RAM, so the amount of available RAM is always less than 4 GB. BIOS takes up about 512 KB, with video or graphic accelerator card needs memory address for at least the amount of memory on the graphics card. Which mean if you have 256 MB VRAM graphic card, at least 256 MB already been used up from your 4 GB memory available to Windows Vista. The net result is that a high performance x86-based computer may allocate 512 MB to more than 1 GB for the PCI memory address range before any RAM (physical user memory) addresses are allocated. So the typical available RAM for the OS will be reduced to between 3 GB and 3.4 GB."


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"Note that also on 32-bit editions of Windows, applications have 4 gigabyte (GB) of virtual address space available. The virtual address space is divided so that 2-GB is available to the application and the other 2-GB is available only to the system. So if your Vista system unable to use more than 2GB of memory even though 4GB has been installed, try to use 4GT RAM Tuning feature increases the memory that is available to the application up to 3-GB, and reduces the amount available to the system to between 1 and 2-GB, by adding the /3GB switch to the Boot.ini file."

[Riku]

Originally Posted by Clinkz

I plan on buying this around the end of august. I want to OC, I will be able to upgrade the Mobo/CPU/GPU when Intel releases the new socket/chipset, and my parents are going to buy the OS for me.

I think what you have right now should be good to go, maybe just videocard like howling said. You should wait until intel comes out with the new cpu that has the onboard memory controller built in it. imo.

[Diablo]

This is making my brain hurt.

[Kalean]

Masblaster, insulting people is not the best way to go about making friends in the community...Just want to state that...

8GB of ram doesn't really have much use in the gaming field, but some people like to just disable the paging file =P....Still not a difference in performance though if you never break 4gb's...But if I had the choice between 4gb or 8gb, I'd take 8gb, but I actually can break the 4gb barrier since I do video editing/effects, graphic design, getting into 3d modeling, and other fields. Especially After effects with Iron Grid Nucelo pro running, basically creates an additional affer effects process for each CPU you have, 400mb of ram dedicated to each..Eats a LOT of ram, but boy does it make working in after effects smooth...lol..Since I have 8 cores, it would really help...LOL. (I'm on 2gb right now >_<. Don't have the funds to pick up those tasty cas4 ddr2-800 FBDimms that kingston just released =(...)

Regarding the memory situations, 32 bit operating systems can only address 4gb of memory, TOTAL...That also includes video ram and other factors...Which is why we only see 2.8-3.5 gb of ram with 4gb installed. The amount of ram displayed in a 32bit OS heavily depends on your system configuration.

Now, back onto track..

Clinkz, are you 100% sure you will oc?...If so we'll go quad, BUT...If you are going to be replacing your mobo/processor within the next year and a half or so, It'd still be best to just pick up a e8400 dual core...They oc wonderfully, and you'll probably still see better performance in non-mulithreaded applications.

But yea, give me an idea on when you would want to upgrade, because if you do, you'd have to pick up a new board, cpu, and ram...Unless you wanted to go DDR3 now so you can just drop it into a nehalem board...But not recommended considering the price of DDR3..ESPECIALLY that you have to pick up 3 sticks for trichannel on the upcoming nehalem platform.

If you aren't buying till august, I think it'd be best I didn't put the list together just yet, but do keep in mind you'll pretty much have a cutting edge system in terms of performance. So no worries ^_^...

If you want me to put the list together still, I could, but it will most likely change by august.

[Migado]

Originally Posted by Masblaster

.....WTH is wrong with you people the max ram you can use on that version of Vista is like 3.3 or 3.0. In order to use 4 gigs of ram you need Vista Ultimate other wise it will show you do have 4 gigs of ram but it won't be used do some research k thnx

I have Vista Business 64 bit edition, friend. That version supports up to 8GB. Vista Business > Vista Ultimate. Also I failed to mention I have Ubuntu 64 bit and I run XP on a VM. Also another hard drive with RC Beta of Server 2008. But I wasn't trying to get that technical.

[Clinkz]

Originally Posted by Masblaster

Your a moron 8 Gigs of ram is pointless just want to state that again!!!!!

... Well, considering I've never owned a PC, there is no need to be a ****** bag. However, I guess you feel that you must. Enjoy

Originally Posted by Kalean

Masblaster, insulting people is not the best way to go about making friends in the community...Just want to state that...

8GB of ram doesn't really have much use in the gaming field, but some people like to just disable the paging file =P....Still not a difference in performance though if you never break 4gb's...But if I had the choice between 4gb or 8gb, I'd take 8gb, but I actually can break the 4gb barrier since I do video editing/effects, graphic design, getting into 3d modeling, and other fields. Especially After effects with Iron Grid Nucelo pro running, basically creates an additional affer effects process for each CPU you have, 400mb of ram dedicated to each..Eats a LOT of ram, but boy does it make working in after effects smooth...lol..Since I have 8 cores, it would really help...LOL. (I'm on 2gb right now >_<. Don't have the funds to pick up those tasty cas4 ddr2-800 FBDimms that kingston just released =(...)

Regarding the memory situations, 32 bit operating systems can only address 4gb of memory, TOTAL...That also includes video ram and other factors...Which is why we only see 2.8-3.5 gb of ram with 4gb installed. The amount of ram displayed in a 32bit OS heavily depends on your system configuration.

Now, back onto track..

Clinkz, are you 100% sure you will oc?...If so we'll go quad, BUT...If you are going to be replacing your mobo/processor within the next year and a half or so, It'd still be best to just pick up a e8400 dual core...They oc wonderfully, and you'll probably still see better performance in non-mulithreaded applications.

But yea, give me an idea on when you would want to upgrade, because if you do, you'd have to pick up a new board, cpu, and ram...Unless you wanted to go DDR3 now so you can just drop it into a nehalem board...But not recommended considering the price of DDR3..ESPECIALLY that you have to pick up 3 sticks for trichannel on the upcoming nehalem platform.

If you aren't buying till august, I think it'd be best I didn't put the list together just yet, but do keep in mind you'll pretty much have a cutting edge system in terms of performance. So no worries ^_^...

If you want me to put the list together still, I could, but it will most likely change by august.

Alright, well I know that you help out people a lot and I'm sure you're a busy man. I guess I'll let you know about a week before I start buying parts. Thanks again

[Kalean]

Indeed...That would be the best route considering we have no idea what the new cards are going to offer...But if you are planning to buy this rig before a game comes out, It's best to order 3-4 weeks before hand so you can work out any kinks before the game launches...Juts incase =P...

But if you're not buying this rig for a specific title, just wait till when you are planning to purchase, and I'll make a list.

[Casino]

Originally Posted by Howling

Hmmm, yeah. The G80 GTS isn't very good at all tbh.. get some new ram 2x2gb G.skill PC6400 do you nicely.. And replace the graphics card with a EVGA 9800GTX (they're reasonably cheap) so you can step up in a few months if the new GT200 cards are decent. Your CPU is fine tbh, just OC it.. Not sure how far the e6420 goes, I'd say 2.6GHz would be a standard OC for it. Might wanna nab an aftermarket heatsink - best off asking Kal about those.

No point upgrading to a quad core like you originally suggested, not for Aion at least. The money be better spent changing the graphics card instead.

i'm using g.skill pc6400 right now actually... its just a bad module. i don't plan on making any changes til 1 month before aion which looks to be at least christmas time so i'll get the latest greatest near cutting edge graphics card of the time when the time comes. this 8800 320 is perfectly fine for AoC which i'll be playing til Aion.

as for my current chip, we'll see. i have a thermalright ultra-120 with a 2500rpm 120mm fan on it right now and temps are good. about 40 degrees full load. the only reason i haven't messed with it is the ram problem i mentioned. that and i'm just lazy/procrastinating.

choice to go quad core is more of a platform update than anything. going quad doesn't seem to be much more expensive and i'll likely want a faster chip later on anyways.

[Clinkz]

Originally Posted by Kalean

Indeed...That would be the best route considering we have no idea what the new cards are going to offer...But if you are planning to buy this rig before a game comes out, It's best to order 3-4 weeks before hand so you can work out any kinks before the game launches...Juts incase =P...

But if you're not buying this rig for a specific title, just wait till when you are planning to purchase, and I'll make a list.

I am buying this rig specifically for Aion. But with 2,200$ + a free 64-bit XP OS (courtesy of my family), as long as I balance out my PC specs I'll be fine. However, I am hoping to get it by this August because I plan on starting to play L2 and the hardware won't go obsolete between August and the release date.

[Skold]

Clinkz, msg me over AIM I can help you build a awesome PC for like 1500

[Kalean]

Ehhh...Up to you Clinkz...But putting a list together is easy, but for those who understand the market and reason whys to buy each part, you end up getting the most performance for the best price...Up to you if you want to nor =P. No offense Skold, it's just that most people that offer lists just pick good parts, but don't explain why or analyze the current and upcoming market based on upgrading, and the persons needs. If you do make a list for him, post it, and I'll critique, but he's waiting anyways, so might be a waste of time atm considering what we have on the way (Nehalem, GT200, R700, P45 chipset, and other tasty tech).

[Skold]

New parts aren't going to be any more affordable, and will be out of his budget. If you want to build a PC for good price/performance ratio now is the time to do it. I build PCs for a partial living and am very familiar with the market. Building a top end PC now can run almost to $7,000 - $9,000 dollars. Its going to take a while for prices to come down on new technology and august isn't that far away. The Nehalem is 2x faster than current processors, but currently, the top processor is $1,500. Thats pretty steep and with the Nehalem coming out theres no reason for them to make it cheap, considering it smashes all other processors. Sure it will make others drop but the power will go unused for years. The P45 chipset is nice, as well as the GT200, but we are talking parts that are going to be released by the end of this year and at high prices. (Atleast 500+.)

[Nzo]

http://www.corsair.com/_appnotes/AN8...e_Analysis.pdf

4 fine, 8 is re****ulous.