Reaction to the BETA Testers?

TheSaintACE · 04-13-2008, 12:05 PM

So we have a few BETA testers on Aion now and they were kind enough to answer a bunch of questions. Of course the skills and effectiveness of Chanters came up and the answer was that a lot of testers are complaining about Chanters. Apparently their skills are highly nerfed to the point that people rarely invite them to parties and that soloing is almost impossible.

Needless to say I'm rather saddened by this. But they say hope is on the horizon! Supposedly the Devs are going to up Chanters to give them the balance they're -suppose- to have already.

It's kind of surprising to see this after the Chanter vs. Gladiator PvP video. I mean it looked like the Chanter held his own pretty well. But of course PvP and group play is pretty different. It's also different solo-wise if the Chanter doesn't do enough damage and the buffs don't work.

My reaction was pretty much shock when I read people are not satisfied with Chanters.

The videos and the lists of abilities look awesome! But it seems that we've had some smoke blown up our butts. It seems like there's quite a few things that have gone wrong in CB2 and maybe that's why now they're making CB3?

So what is the reaction from the Chanter world about the playability of the characters we want?

Kiyumi · 04-13-2008, 12:28 PM

Well, I remember being told by someone who could read the Korean forums that people were also complaining about Chanters' dmg capabilities in CBT1. Like, someone who played a Chanter made a post that they couldn't kill anyone in a duel. I'm surprised that they haven't made them better still... But first time hearing that they're not wanted in parties? D: They're supposed to have awesome buffs! Maybe Devs are scared to make Chanters overpowered that they nerfed them to Hell just to be sure.

zepher · 04-13-2008, 12:40 PM

Actually, this sounds good to me, i always enjoy playing the gimped class. Last time was the Druid in WoW. When i got to 60 there were 5 lvl 60 druids on my server on alliance side, me included.
Only thing to do is...learn to play with what you've got and don't expect the devs to help you out.

TheSaintACE · 04-13-2008, 01:40 PM

Yeah, I kind of think with the versatility of the class that they're afraid to up things too much and it go over the top. But apparently per what people are saying, they still haven't gotten things where they need to be. It's -supposed- to be a support class and yet Chanters aren't supporting anything yet.

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Originally Posted by Kiyumi

Well, I remember being told by someone who could read the Korean forums that people were also complaining about Chanters' dmg capabilities in CBT1. Like, someone who played a Chanter made a post that they couldn't kill anyone in a duel. I'm surprised that they haven't made them better still... But first time hearing that they're not wanted in parties? D: They're supposed to have awesome buffs! Maybe Devs are scared to make Chanters overpowered that they nerfed them to Hell just to be sure.

I'm with you on this. It seems like Chanters are going to be a hard class to play. But at the same time, I don't want them to be impossible. The whole reason I liked Chanter as it looked like something that would be used to lead parties and help out. Guess we'll just have to see what changes are made in CB3 to tell if we'll be able to do our part.

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Originally Posted by zepher

Actually, this sounds good to me, i always enjoy playing the gimped class. Last time was the Druid in WoW. When i got to 60 there were 5 lvl 60 druids on my server on alliance side, me included.
Only thing to do is...learn to play with what you've got and don't expect the devs to help you out.

Karnage · 04-13-2008, 02:06 PM

If they leave Chanters as nerfed as they say they are, I'm going to roll a spiritmaster; I ain't gonna stick around and watch the world go by from behind the tank that I always have to group with just so I can collect items.

With a spiritmaster, at least I control the tank.

Zandorgard · 04-13-2008, 03:29 PM

Hummm... Imo they will not make such a mistake in a so well designed (up to now) game. I believe Chanters will be fixed soon, maybe they didnt change much from CBT 1 because of other priorities?

And if im not mistaken, party buffing classes in other MMOs started out very unbalanced, sometimes pretty weaker and were fixed in time. I believe Chanters will be alright and become a great class by time of the game release. Dont you think?

Karnage · 04-13-2008, 03:32 PM

I said IF. I'm probably going to roll a spiritmaster as a side character, but I would hate for chanters to be so weak they aren't even worth playing.

aliner · 04-13-2008, 03:33 PM

Therefore in other words: all we can do is wait, hope, and observe.
... Anyone up for a Chanter-Chant? :P

Kimino Sage · 04-13-2008, 03:38 PM

Well, I think they were overly cautious, because a support class can be really over powered if they don't balance it just right. It's probably easier to add on to a class then to take away, but I wouldn't know because I'm not a designer or anything. So I believe Chanter will own in due time.

TheSaintACE · 04-13-2008, 03:50 PM

I hope I don't end up wanting to switch.

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Originally Posted by Karnage

If they leave Chanters as nerfed as they say they are, I'm going to roll a spiritmaster; I ain't gonna stick around and watch the world go by from behind the tank that I always have to group with just so I can collect items.

With a spiritmaster, at least I control the tank.

Yeah, I'm hoping it just wasn't a high priority and more tweeking is in the works.

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Originally Posted by Zandorgard

Hummm... Imo they will not make such a mistake in a so well designed (up to now) game. I believe Chanters will be fixed soon, maybe they didnt change much from CBT 1 because of other priorities?

And if im not mistaken, party buffing classes in other MMOs started out very unbalanced, sometimes pretty weaker and were fixed in time. I believe Chanters will be alright and become a great class by time of the game release. Dont you think?

Too true, too true...

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Originally Posted by Karnage

I said IF. I'm probably going to roll a spiritmaster as a side character, but I would hate for chanters to be so weak they aren't even worth playing.

YES PLEASE! ^_^

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Originally Posted by aliner

Therefore in other words: all we can do is wait, hope, and observe.
... Anyone up for a Chanter-Chant? :P

It -does- make sense. Only time will tell, as they say.

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Originally Posted by Kimino Sage

Well, I think they were overly cautious, because a support class can be really over powered if they don't balance it just right. It's probably easier to add on to a class then to take away, but I wouldn't know because I'm not a designer or anything. So I believe Chanter will own in due time.

Lunarfrost · 04-13-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimino Sage

Well, I think they were overly cautious, because a support class can be really over powered if they don't balance it just right. It's probably easier to add on to a class then to take away, but I wouldn't know because I'm not a designer or anything. So I believe Chanter will own in due time.

I think they're going about the whole thing very cautiously and smartly. Like Kimino said it's much easier to add to a class than to take away, if a class is already nerfed from the get-go players are grateful when things are added and they can do things they couldn't before. However when you take away from a class people start crying NERF.

From the moment I saw the Chanter class I saw so much potential and I can't believe that the designers haven't seen the same thing. At this point if people want to complain and whatnot that's fine, but it won't really affect my decision until I can try it out for myself since the game it's still in Beta, meaning there's more work still to be done.

Irisviel · 04-13-2008, 07:39 PM

Chanters are suppose to be "buffers", not a melee combat specialist like gladiators and assassins. The reason people are complaining about the chanter lately is because they expected chanters to be the best support class in party but problem is that their buffs aren't much of "big deal" atm. Their armor buff and hp buff doesn't really boost your armor and hp by alot and their combat skill isn't amazing as gladiators or assassins. Developers can't buff them just like that either since if their melee damage is buffed too much, about same level as gladiator and assasin, they would be invincible since they have buffs, and can heal themselves. I am sure they will find some kind of solution regarding this matter to balance things out.

So, currently chanters's buffs aren't much of upgrade, their dps isn't as good as assassin/gladiator and their heal is worse than cleric. Maybe they aren't that useless at high level but at low level they aren't that great that's for sure. Don't worry too much about chanter being weak though, they will balance things out eventually.

Haze GB · 04-13-2008, 07:52 PM

To me Chanter sounds just like a Jack of all trades here.. They aren't hitting too high, they aren't healing too much, they are the only class who can fully buff.

Master of nothing, skilled at everything; yes?

Irisviel · 04-13-2008, 09:30 PM

NCsoft wanted chanters to be the best buffers in game along with minor stuff such as melee dps to solo and able to protect them selves, and heal as support healer to backup clerics. But... because of balancing issues they aren't what they are meant to be atm. Don't worry, developers are trying to find soution to help chanters and balance out the classes better so no one would be "useless".

businesscats · 04-14-2008, 12:21 AM

I trust NCSoft will fix Chanters, but I fear they wont really balance/buff/fix/whatever them until after release.

Then again it's still CB and there's a long ways to go to retail.

04-13-2008, 12:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
TheSaintACE Daeva Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CAKE TOWN!! Blog Entries: 9 Character: Sylestial Class: Chanter Legion: Crimson Resurrection Race: Asmodians	Reaction to the BETA Testers? So we have a few BETA testers on Aion now and they were kind enough to answer a bunch of questions. Of course the skills and effectiveness of Chanters came up and the answer was that a lot of testers are complaining about Chanters. Apparently their skills are highly nerfed to the point that people rarely invite them to parties and that soloing is almost impossible. Needless to say I'm rather saddened by this. But they say hope is on the horizon! Supposedly the Devs are going to up Chanters to give them the balance they're -suppose- to have already. It's kind of surprising to see this after the Chanter vs. Gladiator PvP video. I mean it looked like the Chanter held his own pretty well. But of course PvP and group play is pretty different. It's also different solo-wise if the Chanter doesn't do enough damage and the buffs don't work. My reaction was pretty much shock when I read people are not satisfied with Chanters. The videos and the lists of abilities look awesome! But it seems that we've had some smoke blown up our butts. It seems like there's quite a few things that have gone wrong in CB2 and maybe that's why now they're making CB3? So what is the reaction from the Chanter world about the playability of the characters we want? __________________ Crimson Resurrection

04-13-2008, 12:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kiyumi Daeva Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Legion: Zzz Race: Undecided	Well, I remember being told by someone who could read the Korean forums that people were also complaining about Chanters' dmg capabilities in CBT1. Like, someone who played a Chanter made a post that they couldn't kill anyone in a duel. I'm surprised that they haven't made them better still... But first time hearing that they're not wanted in parties? D: They're supposed to have awesome buffs! Maybe Devs are scared to make Chanters overpowered that they nerfed them to Hell just to be sure. __________________

04-13-2008, 12:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
zepher Daeva Join Date: Feb 2008 Class: Assassin Legion: COIL Race: Asmodians	Actually, this sounds good to me, i always enjoy playing the gimped class. Last time was the Druid in WoW. When i got to 60 there were 5 lvl 60 druids on my server on alliance side, me included. Only thing to do is...learn to play with what you've got and don't expect the devs to help you out. __________________

04-13-2008, 02:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Karnage Daeva Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Small-town, Texas Blog Entries: 1 Character: Karnage Class: Chanter Legion: Order of the Umbral Sanctum Race: Asmodians	If they leave Chanters as nerfed as they say they are, I'm going to roll a spiritmaster; I ain't gonna stick around and watch the world go by from behind the tank that I always have to group with just so I can collect items. With a spiritmaster, at least I control the tank. __________________ Made by the hand of Akaris Time is short, the shadows are long, and the darkness grows ever closer. Will you run in fear at what might be there, or take a step into oblivion and finally understand it?

04-13-2008, 03:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Karnage Daeva Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Small-town, Texas Blog Entries: 1 Character: Karnage Class: Chanter Legion: Order of the Umbral Sanctum Race: Asmodians	I said IF. I'm probably going to roll a spiritmaster as a side character, but I would hate for chanters to be so weak they aren't even worth playing. __________________ Made by the hand of Akaris Time is short, the shadows are long, and the darkness grows ever closer. Will you run in fear at what might be there, or take a step into oblivion and finally understand it?

04-13-2008, 03:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
Zandorgard Daeva Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Elysea Class: Templar Legion: Sons of Elysea Race: Elyos	Hummm... Imo they will not make such a mistake in a so well designed (up to now) game. I believe Chanters will be fixed soon, maybe they didnt change much from CBT 1 because of other priorities? And if im not mistaken, party buffing classes in other MMOs started out very unbalanced, sometimes pretty weaker and were fixed in time. I believe Chanters will be alright and become a great class by time of the game release. Dont you think?

04-13-2008, 03:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
aliner Daeva Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Netherlands Race: Undecided	Therefore in other words: all we can do is wait, hope, and observe. ... Anyone up for a Chanter-Chant? :P __________________ I am your medic. Bend over and relax. \|A.l.e.t.h.e.i.a.\|

04-13-2008, 03:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kimino Sage Daeva Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ga Legion: Divinity Race: Elyos	Well, I think they were overly cautious, because a support class can be really over powered if they don't balance it just right. It's probably easier to add on to a class then to take away, but I wouldn't know because I'm not a designer or anything. So I believe Chanter will own in due time.

04-13-2008, 07:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
Irisviel I translate stuff. Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada Character: Irisviel Class: Ranger Race: Asmodians	Chanters are suppose to be "buffers", not a melee combat specialist like gladiators and assassins. The reason people are complaining about the chanter lately is because they expected chanters to be the best support class in party but problem is that their buffs aren't much of "big deal" atm. Their armor buff and hp buff doesn't really boost your armor and hp by alot and their combat skill isn't amazing as gladiators or assassins. Developers can't buff them just like that either since if their melee damage is buffed too much, about same level as gladiator and assasin, they would be invincible since they have buffs, and can heal themselves. I am sure they will find some kind of solution regarding this matter to balance things out. So, currently chanters's buffs aren't much of upgrade, their dps isn't as good as assassin/gladiator and their heal is worse than cleric. Maybe they aren't that useless at high level but at low level they aren't that great that's for sure. Don't worry too much about chanter being weak though, they will balance things out eventually. __________________ Fly to the sky

04-13-2008, 07:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
Haze GB Daeva Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: England Legion: Aletheia Race: Elyos	To me Chanter sounds just like a Jack of all trades here.. They aren't hitting too high, they aren't healing too much, they are the only class who can fully buff. Master of nothing, skilled at everything; yes? __________________ Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. www.aletheiaguild.com

04-13-2008, 09:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
Irisviel I translate stuff. Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada Character: Irisviel Class: Ranger Race: Asmodians	NCsoft wanted chanters to be the best buffers in game along with minor stuff such as melee dps to solo and able to protect them selves, and heal as support healer to backup clerics. But... because of balancing issues they aren't what they are meant to be atm. Don't worry, developers are trying to find soution to help chanters and balance out the classes better so no one would be "useless". __________________ Fly to the sky

04-14-2008, 12:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
businesscats Daeva Join Date: Mar 2008 Race: Undecided	I trust NCSoft will fix Chanters, but I fear they wont really balance/buff/fix/whatever them until after release. Then again it's still CB and there's a long ways to go to retail. __________________ rrr!

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