WoW is just made perfect?

Ovum · 10-09-2008, 04:46 PM

What I see here among our discussion in the forum about Aion - how it's made, how it will work etc. draws my attention that many of us are searching similarities with WoW. And I'm having endorse on almost all aspects of the game that we discuss. And not only here in our forum, there are other places like Gamespot or Mmorpg for example.

In one of the threads R'lyeh posted some concerns about Aion that made me write this topic. Some of the things he said is irrelevant but what he pointed were issues that are very important and they take place in WoW but not in Aion, or maybe we just still doesn't know do they exist or not. There are many things that can be connected between the two games.

But my question is do we really want Aion to look in the same way as WoW but just with some new additions or we simply want a fresh and clear innovative product. As I am new to WoW I am noticing that the game doesn't lack anything considering my taste about mmorpg. And what I see is that when Aion does not support something wich WoW has, grabs the attention of the people. Even I wonder sometimes about the content between the two games. In generally what I see is that - people want Aion to be a WoW clone but at the same time they refuse Aion to have any similarities at all. Strange or not?

Night_Stalker · 10-09-2008, 05:04 PM

Definitely don't want Aion to be a WoW clone, that game bores me after playing for a couple of days.

Kentaro · 10-09-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Night_Stalker

Definitely don't want Aion to be a WoW clone, that game bores me after playing for a couple of days.

Despite wishing for it not to be another clone of a game it difficult to accomplish. Even though many of us have a dislike towards World of Warcraft it still remains at the number game of America with millions of subscribers and players and because of that success many MMORPGs that are released after World of Warcraft are placed on a scale in order to determine if it extends beyond the World of Warcraft limit or falls short and because of that companies tend to copy the success the game has brought into our gaming world. Attempting to weed out the bad aspects of the game and holding onto the good aspects of the game in a attempt to break the scale and take hold of the champion seat which World of Warcraft currently holds.

Thus I wouldn't be surprised if Aion contains aspects of World of Warcraft within it as World of Warcraft have done to the MMORPGs prior to it's release.

damnit · 10-09-2008, 05:20 PM

Honestly, if it looks like WoW but plays different i might like it, but if it plays like WoW, idc if it has a look like MGS4, or any other high def game i PROBABLY will not play it that long.

As far as attention grabber goes. i think Aion has the following from the past year or so to make it a successful MMORPG. They've put just enough out to make the masses wanting more so the attention grabber ability is there but until they actually release the game its gonna be tough to speculate just how well it will keep the attention that you will require to grind the lvls out and keep the raids going.

I really think its all gonna have to relate in how the economy operates and how the drop rate is for the gear and stuff that ppl "must have".

And of course as with all games your gonna have similarities, but i really hope they keep them few and far between as to make the game seem like it a totally new experience for us all.

Tareith · 10-09-2008, 05:26 PM

People just want new MMOs to have all the features from other MMOs that they like. And sadly, they want it at launch. Kinda unreasonable if you ask me. Personally, and I know I'm not alone here, but I'd like it to have more features from FFXI than WoW.

Calindor · 10-09-2008, 05:27 PM

FATAL problems with the game.

Its fine for a PvE game, but not a PvE. I have no problem with arena's or minigames like BG, but when you give those the same rewards as regular PvP, it destroys the regular PvP, and the game just becomes PvE with some Arcade. WAR is similar, but I atleast like their approach on renown PvP, even though WAR is teh suck. Number 2, Gear in WoW is separated into PvE and PvP, and you have only one way to get the gear, either raiding or PvP. When you want to PvP, you need a char built for it, and therefore cant PvE...who ever decided you should be forced and restricted into PvP or PvE only should have been shot. WoW had potential when it came out, and was a good game, but it was just watered down into EZ mode.

Aion might have a feel of WoW but it has key differences (ones taken from L2), such as the PvP, which are the reasons I am interested in it.

Howling · 10-09-2008, 05:27 PM

The thing about WoW is that it's not "missing" anything, it took the history of previous MMO's and picked out the aspects that people liked about them, watered them down and mixed them all together to make WoW. It did nothing revolutionary to mmo's, it did nothing original, all it is is a frankenstein creation of an MMO.. ie the idea of a "dream woman", some people like J-Lo's ***, Angelina Jolie's lips, Keira Knightly's face, etc all put onto 1 woman... as you can imagine this could either turn out great, or disasterous.. some parts conflicting with other parts, parts not suiting to the overall look of the creation etc...
WoW got lucky in that it didn't create a monster, but something that people actually like. And since WoW did it, there have been numerous attempts at more frankenstein mmo's and fewer original ideas.. Sadly alot of the mmo's boasting originality (AoC springs to mind) were epic fail, not because the ideas were bad but because they were poorly implemented and/or bugged and/or not finished and/or not fully developed (falls under poor implementation imho)

Aion looks to hopefully be taking the parts from other mmo's that made them successful, many of which are present in WoW BUT (and I can't stress the BUT enough) are not taken from WoW, thus cannot be a WoW clone - and add some original ideas to the mix (ie Server controlled race in a 3-way RvRvR).

The term WoW-clone is often very over used and very wrongly used, mostly by people who believe that everything in WoW is a WoW original idea and hasn't existed for up to 10 years beforehand in successful and partially successful mmo's. Time and time again you'll here people comparing mmo's to WoW and saying "that's copied from WoW" or other such bullshit because they have never experienced any mmo's that came before WoW and don't realise that NOTHING can or will ever be copied from WoW, but from the previous games that WoW copied from.

Similarities will always be drawn from Aion to WoW, as Aion does include some of the successful aspects - but brings new ideas too. It will never be a WoW clone, and if it becomes a "WoW clone" I foresee the game falling into the abyss because to be a WoW-clone it means the game has attracted an 80%+ ratio of ignorant idiots who will claim everything in the future to be copied from Aion just as people do with WoW.

R'lyeh · 10-09-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ovum

What I see here among our discussion in the forum about Aion - how it's made, how it will work etc. draws my attention that many of us are searching similarities with WoW. And I'm having endorse on almost all aspects of the game that we discuss. And not only here in our forum, there are other places like Gamespot or Mmorpg for example.

In one of the threads R'lyeh posted some concerns about Aion that made me write this topic. Some of the things he said is irrelevant but what he pointed were issues that are very important and they take place in WoW but not in Aion, or maybe we just still doesn't know do they exist or not. There are many things that can be connected between the two games.

But my question is do we really want Aion to look in the same way as WoW but just with some new additions or we simply want a fresh and clear innovative product. As I am new to WoW I am noticing that the game doesn't lack anything considering my taste about mmorpg. And what I see is that when Aion does not support something wich WoW has, grabs the attention of the people. Even I wonder sometimes about the content between the two games. In generally what I see is that - people want Aion to be a WoW clone but at the same time they refuse Aion to have any similarities at all. Strange or not?

I come from Lineage 2 and World Of Warcraft and there are reasons that I don't play either anymore. So, naturally, if these reasons exist in Aion I won't be playing it.

I think when developing a product that can never be completely "new" things have to be learned from what already exist. Aion can never be fresh and clear because so many things are right in other MMO's and it would be ashamed if NCSoft didn't use proven formula's in their game. A simple example is say threat generation.

I want Aion to do everything right that WoW and L2 did but not do the things those games did wrong. I'm already very skeptical of Aion because of this PVP system they are featuring. My main concern is Aion is going to be paper-rock-scissor PVP point grind for gear which is what WoW has turned into.

I'm not worried about it because I am going to wait at least 2 months before buying the game to see how the actual players are responding to it.

damnit · 10-09-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tareith

People just want new MMOs to have all the features from other MMOs that they like. And sadly, they want it at launch. Kinda unreasonable if you ask me. Personally, and I know I'm not alone here, but I'd like it to have more features from FFXI than WoW.

Oh i cant agree more. FFXI is my crack and i can see the good for Aion if it did incorporate some stuff from FFXI.

Tareith · 10-09-2008, 06:08 PM

Considering they haven't released 4 different full tiers of gear for each spec of each class, I don't think we have much to fear about WoW's uber gear dependency. Honestly, take away the 'gotta catch em all' diablo/diablo II gear collection feature of WoW and you've got a much better game. I mean, if we wanna call it a WoW clone, lets get the details right. The primary objective of WoW up till the end of TBC is raiding or BGS/Arena for gear. Not story, not content, just plain gear. Now granted, the ranking and competitive nature of Arena gives it a little more, but not much.

Dreams · 10-09-2008, 07:20 PM

As one of the developers said....and I do not think I am quoting this perfectly but he said something like "We know that World Of Warcraft is a great game and we respect it and we are trying to broaden our thoughts from it." Something like that. Anyway, I do not want Aion to be a WOW clone, but it IS a very successful MMORPG. Possibly not exactly CLONE Aion after it....but implement some things that WOW has into the fray. I personally hate WOW after playing it for several months. I never really liked raiding....people getting so into it that if the party wiped everyone went nuts, etc. The only thing that I think would be good that they implemented into Aion that isn't necessarily a copy of WOW is Quests. This wouldn't actually be "cloning" itself after WOW, but more so using the idea of a lot of quests from other MMORPGs. I played an MMORPG where it took 6 hours of hardcore farming to get 1.5 - 2% towards your next level at one point. There were no quests, it was simply grinding. Then, when they implemented quests into the game....it became a lot more "fun", and you noticed people working together more....whether within their own Guild, or with PUGs. All I can say is....I hope that the Developers of Aion realize the need for a lot of quests. The dailies in WOW once you hit 70 are not such a great idea....they help with money making but it becomes a bore in my opinion. Perhaps Aion could focus more on the money making in it's economy through item drops from mobs or Professions. That is a whole different topic, though.

plasma06 · 10-09-2008, 08:11 PM

if you want a wow clone go play war hammer aion is a new and fresh game, it is what is needed to break the hold wow has

Calindor · 10-09-2008, 10:51 PM

Its a cornucopia of the best features from all MMO's, and some new ones with an original storyline and theme. Its going to be great until the next gen of MMO's are out.

YouTube - cornucopia of awesomeness

yes, i'm from there

Ovum · 10-09-2008, 11:46 PM

I wasn't speaking about the desire for Aion to be deffinetly a WoW clone. I was just wondering you know - people persist for Aion not to have anything in common with WoW and at the same time they search for similarities. The idea for mixing the game with different elements from other mmorpgs sounds good but maybe in a certain level. If they do that and of course add new features I think it will become epic game. I haven't played the game and I'm not sure how is the end game built. And if they do it like WoW for example I think it will fail, but afterall most of us want to see the WoW's end game implemented in Aion don't we? (Well from what i've noticed is that the masses want it).

10-09-2008, 04:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ovum Daeva Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sevlievo, Bulgaria Character: Ovum Race: Asmodians	WoW is just made perfect? What I see here among our discussion in the forum about Aion - how it's made, how it will work etc. draws my attention that many of us are searching similarities with WoW. And I'm having endorse on almost all aspects of the game that we discuss. And not only here in our forum, there are other places like Gamespot or Mmorpg for example. In one of the threads R'lyeh posted some concerns about Aion that made me write this topic. Some of the things he said is irrelevant but what he pointed were issues that are very important and they take place in WoW but not in Aion, or maybe we just still doesn't know do they exist or not. There are many things that can be connected between the two games. But my question is do we really want Aion to look in the same way as WoW but just with some new additions or we simply want a fresh and clear innovative product. As I am new to WoW I am noticing that the game doesn't lack anything considering my taste about mmorpg. And what I see is that when Aion does not support something wich WoW has, grabs the attention of the people. Even I wonder sometimes about the content between the two games. In generally what I see is that - people want Aion to be a WoW clone but at the same time they refuse Aion to have any similarities at all. Strange or not?

10-09-2008, 05:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
damnit Subscriber Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alabama Class: Ranger Legion: TheSpiritsWithin Race: Asmodians	Honestly, if it looks like WoW but plays different i might like it, but if it plays like WoW, idc if it has a look like MGS4, or any other high def game i PROBABLY will not play it that long. As far as attention grabber goes. i think Aion has the following from the past year or so to make it a successful MMORPG. They've put just enough out to make the masses wanting more so the attention grabber ability is there but until they actually release the game its gonna be tough to speculate just how well it will keep the attention that you will require to grind the lvls out and keep the raids going. I really think its all gonna have to relate in how the economy operates and how the drop rate is for the gear and stuff that ppl "must have". And of course as with all games your gonna have similarities, but i really hope they keep them few and far between as to make the game seem like it a totally new experience for us all. __________________

10-09-2008, 05:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tareith Daeva Join Date: May 2008 Location: In the middle of an Oreo ^^ Blog Entries: 5 Class: Chanter Legion: Shopping Race: Undecided	People just want new MMOs to have all the features from other MMOs that they like. And sadly, they want it at launch. Kinda unreasonable if you ask me. Personally, and I know I'm not alone here, but I'd like it to have more features from FFXI than WoW. __________________ The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you. ~Rita Mae Brown She may be pretty, may be sweet, but ain't half as nice as rotting meat. ~Legend

10-09-2008, 05:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Calindor Daeva Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Class: Templar Legion: Tempest Race: Elyos	FATAL problems with the game. Its fine for a PvE game, but not a PvE. I have no problem with arena's or minigames like BG, but when you give those the same rewards as regular PvP, it destroys the regular PvP, and the game just becomes PvE with some Arcade. WAR is similar, but I atleast like their approach on renown PvP, even though WAR is teh suck. Number 2, Gear in WoW is separated into PvE and PvP, and you have only one way to get the gear, either raiding or PvP. When you want to PvP, you need a char built for it, and therefore cant PvE...who ever decided you should be forced and restricted into PvP or PvE only should have been shot. WoW had potential when it came out, and was a good game, but it was just watered down into EZ mode. Aion might have a feel of WoW but it has key differences (ones taken from L2), such as the PvP, which are the reasons I am interested in it. __________________

10-09-2008, 05:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Howling Daeva Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lincoln, UK Race: Elyos	The thing about WoW is that it's not "missing" anything, it took the history of previous MMO's and picked out the aspects that people liked about them, watered them down and mixed them all together to make WoW. It did nothing revolutionary to mmo's, it did nothing original, all it is is a frankenstein creation of an MMO.. ie the idea of a "dream woman", some people like J-Lo's *, Angelina Jolie's lips, Keira Knightly's face, etc all put onto 1 woman... as you can imagine this could either turn out great, or disasterous.. some parts conflicting with other parts, parts not suiting to the overall look of the creation etc... WoW got lucky in that it didn't create a monster, but something that people actually like. And since WoW did it, there have been numerous attempts at more frankenstein mmo's and fewer original ideas.. Sadly alot of the mmo's boasting originality (AoC springs to mind) were epic fail, not because the ideas were bad but because they were poorly implemented and/or bugged and/or not finished and/or not fully developed (falls under poor implementation imho) Aion looks to hopefully be taking the parts from other mmo's that made them successful, many of which are present in WoW BUT (and I can't stress the BUT enough) are not taken from WoW, thus cannot be a WoW clone - and add some original ideas to the mix (ie Server controlled race in a 3-way RvRvR). The term WoW-clone is often very over used and very wrongly used, mostly by people who believe that everything in WoW is a WoW original idea and hasn't existed for up to 10 years beforehand in successful and partially successful mmo's. Time and time again you'll here people comparing mmo's to WoW and saying "that's copied from WoW" or other such bullshit because they have never experienced any mmo's that came before WoW and don't realise that NOTHING** can or will ever be copied from WoW, but from the previous games that WoW copied from. Similarities will always be drawn from Aion to WoW, as Aion does include some of the successful aspects - but brings new ideas too. It will never be a WoW clone, and if it becomes a "WoW clone" I foresee the game falling into the abyss because to be a WoW-clone it means the game has attracted an 80%+ ratio of ignorant idiots who will claim everything in the future to be copied from Aion just as people do with WoW. __________________

10-09-2008, 05:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Night_Stalker Daeva Join Date: Aug 2007 Character: Talaron Class: Sorcerer Race: Elyos	Definitely don't want Aion to be a WoW clone, that game bores me after playing for a couple of days.

10-09-2008, 06:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tareith Daeva Join Date: May 2008 Location: In the middle of an Oreo ^^ Blog Entries: 5 Class: Chanter Legion: Shopping Race: Undecided	Considering they haven't released 4 different full tiers of gear for each spec of each class, I don't think we have much to fear about WoW's uber gear dependency. Honestly, take away the 'gotta catch em all' diablo/diablo II gear collection feature of WoW and you've got a much better game. I mean, if we wanna call it a WoW clone, lets get the details right. The primary objective of WoW up till the end of TBC is raiding or BGS/Arena for gear. Not story, not content, just plain gear. Now granted, the ranking and competitive nature of Arena gives it a little more, but not much. __________________ The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you. ~Rita Mae Brown She may be pretty, may be sweet, but ain't half as nice as rotting meat. ~Legend

10-09-2008, 07:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dreams Daeva Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA. Character: Dreams Class: Gladiator Race: Elyos	As one of the developers said....and I do not think I am quoting this perfectly but he said something like "We know that World Of Warcraft is a great game and we respect it and we are trying to broaden our thoughts from it." Something like that. Anyway, I do not want Aion to be a WOW clone, but it IS a very successful MMORPG. Possibly not exactly CLONE Aion after it....but implement some things that WOW has into the fray. I personally hate WOW after playing it for several months. I never really liked raiding....people getting so into it that if the party wiped everyone went nuts, etc. The only thing that I think would be good that they implemented into Aion that isn't necessarily a copy of WOW is Quests. This wouldn't actually be "cloning" itself after WOW, but more so using the idea of a lot of quests from other MMORPGs. I played an MMORPG where it took 6 hours of hardcore farming to get 1.5 - 2% towards your next level at one point. There were no quests, it was simply grinding. Then, when they implemented quests into the game....it became a lot more "fun", and you noticed people working together more....whether within their own Guild, or with PUGs. All I can say is....I hope that the Developers of Aion realize the need for a lot of quests. The dailies in WOW once you hit 70 are not such a great idea....they help with money making but it becomes a bore in my opinion. Perhaps Aion could focus more on the money making in it's economy through item drops from mobs or Professions. That is a whole different topic, though. __________________

10-09-2008, 08:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
plasma06 Daeva Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Blog Entries: 1 Class: Ranger Legion: [GM] Blood Lust Race: Asmodians	if you want a wow clone go play war hammer aion is a new and fresh game, it is what is needed to break the hold wow has __________________ CPU:AMD X2 6000+ GPU:9600GT RAM:4GIG 800 Can't wait for WoW:LK 13th Nov is all most here

10-09-2008, 11:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ovum Daeva Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sevlievo, Bulgaria Character: Ovum Race: Asmodians	I wasn't speaking about the desire for Aion to be deffinetly a WoW clone. I was just wondering you know - people persist for Aion not to have anything in common with WoW and at the same time they search for similarities. The idea for mixing the game with different elements from other mmorpgs sounds good but maybe in a certain level. If they do that and of course add new features I think it will become epic game. I haven't played the game and I'm not sure how is the end game built. And if they do it like WoW for example I think it will fail, but afterall most of us want to see the WoW's end game implemented in Aion don't we? (Well from what i've noticed is that the masses want it).

10-10-2008, 12:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
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