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Spell rotations at 45+

mosh — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:25:14 GMT

Hi I need your comments and inputs on spell rotations at 45+. Specify for PvE or for PvP. Good to know which has the most damage output in both scenarios.

Heres mine for PvE:

DBlast > IC - FS > FCage > WCD > FFusion > FHarpoon > FBolt - Blaze

PvP:

Frost > IC - FS > WCD > then it depends after that... either target runs away or someone comes along to help

Need input on Ice Harpoon as I am planning to equip it on 45. Where does it fit in?

Why do sorcs not use poison godstone?

AionLemming — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:46:08 GMT

Doesn't poison prevent other people from opening their wings? If so, isn't that a huge boon in PvP especially since it lands 1 out of 5 times.

No real damage but... Seems better than 1 in 100 big damage...

Soloing Elites?

Mackie011 — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:29:04 GMT

Hi my brother is a level 29 and was told he can solo the KM elites, the back entrance. so he can get them 1vs1 in the open. but what is the proper way to do so?

they don't resist his attacks, he just has long cast times so they are able to catch up to him... thoughts? and tips?

thanks alot :D

Spell DPS Analysis (Theorycrafting - In-progress)

Gently — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:18:40 GMT

Hi, all.

This is a theorycrafting thread...please keep it constructive.

****NOTE**** The text editor sucked out all my spaces...so this looks like crap. Jump to conclusions if you want to get the gist of it, if you want to participate open up a spreadsheet program and paste this stuff in. I'll make this prettier for next post.

Though I'm still not 100% on all the mechanics (none of us are) I wanted to take a preliminary look at DPS and Mana Efficiency of our spell line. My base info comes largely from the work done at AIONCALC.COM, and I give major kudos to that site for helping me get this off the ground.

The chart below shows most of our core damage spells at L45 (my level), their Base Damage, their Raw Damage (with 1500 Magic Boost on a mob same level, no resists), their cast times (more on that below) and the Recovery Time (the time before you can cast another spell). Then I have calculated from those the DPS (raw/recovery) and the Mana Efficiency (raw/mana - higher is better).

Where I think I may need some tweaking is the Recovery times...to me, even "instant" cast spells have a global animation...other than Aether Hold series, I don't believe I can get off even 2 instant-casts faster than a second apart. Please challenge this assumption if you think it's incorrect and I'll adjust.

So...on with the show, sorted of course by DPS, (which is why you're a sorc, isn't it?):

Base Raw Cast Recovery DPS Mana Efficiency

Flame Cage 946 2129 0.5 1 2129 80 26.6
Freezing Wind 828 1863 0.5 1 1863 274 6.8
Inferno 2560 5761 4 4.5 1280 587 9.8
Soul Freeze 830 1868 1 1.5 1245 257 7.3
Wind Cut Down 909 2046 1.5 2 1023 262 7.8
Ice Harpoon 1344 3024 2.5 3 1008 284 10.6
Flame Harpoon 1023 2303 2 2.5 921 191 12.1
Combo:FB/Blaze 1258 2831 3.5 809 372 7.6
Erosion 353 794 0.5 1 794 46 17.3
Soul Absorption 828 1863 2 2.5 745 -900 -2.1
Flame Fusion 452 1017 1 1.5 678 134 7.6
Combo: Ice/Frozen 1002 2257 3.5 645 363 6.2
Flame Bolt 669 1506 2 2.5 602 162 9.3
Ice Chain 507 1142 2 2.5 457 163 7.0

A lot to discuss. First a few basic assumptions:
1. DPS in this exercise is about the relationship between Damage and RECOVERY. So an DoT, like Flame Cage, does very well. Don't look at this list in a vacuum, this is meant to be applied dps, as you'd really use it in a constant casting situation.
2. In practice, few use Freezing Wind without weaving it in with other spells. This assumes that, making it essentially an instant cast. You could up the recovery to 2.5 if you want to see it cast repeatedly.
3. Assumes 1 sec minimum recovery, even for instants.
4. A good note for Aioncalc: Since the chain spells MUST follow prerequisite spells, why not combine them, as I have above, into one unit. I also left the prereq's in there alone, with no chain follow up.

With your comments I'll tweak and repost (maybe even making a spreadsheet form available where you can put in level, etc).

But some basic conclusions I get looking at this...

A. Harpoons are pretty spankin' good. High efficiency, decent dps without prohibitive cooldown. I was considering a "fire" rotation, followed by a "non-fire" rotation...Ice Harpoon delivers, making me feel better about non-fire side than I thought I would.

B. Soul Freeze, aka Silence...is a lot higher on the chart than I'd have thought. I'd never have considered it for, say, kiting elites, but it's fast cast time and decent damage make it a good filler spell while waiting for Ice to come back up. It's like a little inferno, dps wise. And why NOT throw a silence on that nasty mob?

C. Flame Bolt stinks. Like, wow. Even with Blaze attached...still not as good as a harpoon. In my head I figured both spells together would beat Harpoon...not the case. Anything with a cooldown > anything without.

D. Ice chain, even with Frozen attached, not impressive dps wise. Only use when you actually need to slow something down. Honestly, I'm rethinking how I approach solo trash mobs at my level. If I can finish it with a blink or before it tears me up TOO badly...I'm skipping Ice altogether. A hit now and then on my shield, a lot more dead mobs per hour. Once you get Freeze in particular...you have a lot of ways to escape should things go wrong. Drop the security blanket.

E. In PvE...use Erosion and Soul Absorbtion.

F. Obviously Flame Fusion gets a bum rap on this list...the added utility when launching a fire sequence is irreplaceable. I just can't put numbers on that yet.

G. It isn't sexy, but for the time and cost, you just can't beat Flame Cage.

While this doesn't blow the roof off of what I was doing before...I do definitely need to rethink some key bindings.

Give me your comments! Help me make this better!

Gently
45 Sorc

Fregion

Rebellion

Alaron — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:33:03 GMT

Sorcs do way too much burst damage. They can silence, and they can teleport back. It's OPd. Nerf them.

*This is a rebellion againts the countless Fear QQ. Flame me away.

Spell Distance

Arvie — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:59:26 GMT

So..for the US ppl that were able to play, how much did the patch do for us?
Ive read something about a more flexible cast distance, however theres not really much info about it.

So how did it change? Is it noticeable at all?

So I had this crazy idea. . . .

Kuraia — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:27:49 GMT

Lately there has been a lot of teleporter fights in the Abyss on Ariel. . . .which are usually only fun while all the fighting is in the center (otherwise its OMG GUARDS RUN). . . .now what sucks is when I get my shield blown down by someone and a Templar yanks me into the waiting grasp of the Elyos. . . . . this got me thinking. . .

Since I usually have a healer watching me anyways in fights like this, but they can't keep me alive with 4-10 people focusing on me. . . .What if I were to start a duel with a Templar in my group. . . .and anytime I got IJed by an enemy player, he could IJ me right back out of the fray? :P

Thoughts? LOLs?

I think this could work. . . I'm gonna try this out I think :D
:sparkles:

Build comparison and endgame-ish

toothpicks32 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:01:14 GMT

So, before Aion was launched in the US, everyone recommended to go full HP manastones due to "You can't deal dmg unless you're alive." -concept. I went full Magic Boost anyway cause the dmg, didn't care about survivability.

Now at 50, I usually win all 1v1 fights I've encountered besides SMs and Rangers, and I think even with full HP stones, I'd still have trouble against them. To those went full HP, how do you fair against these 2 classes in a 1v1 situation?

Now to move on group PvP, I'd say sorcs and SMs are firstly targeted first, while clerics and chanters are CCed, from my experience anyway. IMO, its whoever can CC who first to win, regardless if you had the HP.

This is all based on fights against those with none or a bit of Abyss gear, to exclude or minimize the dmg increase with the gear.

I'm sitting at 5k HP unbuffed without any HP stones and at 2000 Magic Boost with Robe of Flame, and I think it evens out. So I'm wondering now since I'm 50, I need a good reason to use HP stones. Any ideas? =X

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Lvl 30 Sorc grind spot?

Retrosia — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:49:00 GMT

I'm level 30 now, where is a good grinding spot that i can level pretty fast?

New Patch Clarification needed.

Arth — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:30:06 GMT

In the new patch notes one of tha changes state:

"12. During PvP, if the distance from the opposing character becomes farther than the distance required to use a skill, it is possible to use the skill by adjusting the shooting distance."

Does it mean spells will go off even if characters move out of range?the translation isnt quite as clear as it should be, I think.

I know this is being implememted just wasnt sure if it would happen this patch or 1.6.

Sorc Stigma Guide?

Esmer — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:49:21 GMT

Is there a guide somewhere detailing all the Sorc stigmas, which ones are worthwhile, which ones suck, and what builds work best?

Thanks in advance!

Sorc AOE spells

Hemogoblin — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:21:47 GMT

Is it a viable option to go with AOE stigmas with sorc? Do they make any difference in PVP or are they too weak?

Ex-BW here ;)

LVL 50 Daevonian Armor

mickybb123 — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:45:15 GMT

I just wanted a to start a thread in realation to the lvl 50 Daevonian Female Cloth Set, Is it just me or does it look like something barbie would wear??? I mean you cant even Re Skin it!!! This is really dissapointing considering that all the other Classes look epic and this is the best armor in the game. I mean the Male Daevonian Cloth Set looks AWESOME!!!! why cant a little bit more effort go into the the females????

I am sure I am not the only that is dissapointed about this but I would love to hear everyone's view on this topic.

This is my first thread so if the pic does not show please follow this link

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L.O.L frostbite!

PIRO — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:40:13 GMT

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Asmo Elite Grind Spots

Zerka — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:17:15 GMT

So....
36 - 40 -- Mist Manes - Morheim
40-42 --- Watch Templars/Guardians -- Belusan ( Near Hoarfrost Outpost )
Is there nothing more? You can move in a little deeper into Alquimia and grind an overseer or two. Any other places? Or is it regular mobs from here on out?

Curse of Weakness vs mobs and bosses?

Kaydon — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:30:55 GMT

Does anyone know how well Curse of Weakness works vs mobs and bosses with magic attacks?

Barrier of Severance

TeHSaNdMaN — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:18:37 GMT

Yes? No? Why? Why not?

I'm picking it up next level because it's so damn cheap on the AH at the moment and the extra 8 seconds on invulnerability will be help in group pvp(which is what i do a lot of.) Sure the downside that you essentially can't move for 8 seconds but I'd rather have that giving my healers an extra 8 second to actually heal me. Also Does anyone know if each stun is a duration stun or just a ministun?

Any good spots to dou with a chanter ? 37/36

Valdorian — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:35:15 GMT

Yeah well i need some suggestions where we could get some quick exp.

I tried verago trackers 41 and 42 it was decent.. both getting around 16k or 17k exp, all tho i feel like i could kill my own mob for 16k and grind alone.

I dont know, maybe some elites sub 35? mobs around 40? im open for suggestions. Im 37 sorc and he is 36 almost 37 chanter.

thanks in advance.

Replace wind cut 2 stigma for 3 without removing advanced stigma how?

gatygun — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:23:38 GMT

Like the title says.

i cant seem to remove my windcut 2 stigma and place a newer version for it. Because it requires for summon rock advanced stigma.

Now my question is, do you need to remove summon rock with it, and then replace it? Or is there some other way because summon rock costed me 270 stigma shards to equip last time i did it.

Elyos elite soloing 37+

Thetan — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:11:49 GMT

Simply, where's a good spot to solo? I've tried the Lepharist Citadel, but it's crowded and kinda frustrating, and over at KHQ the elites are so far in I either have to clear several mobs before getting to them or pop a couple potions running back out.

Is there a spot anywhere inside the citadel/KHQ that's open enough for soloing? Any other suggestions?

I thought you guys might appreciate this

elliot — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:59:51 GMT

1% dmg Godstone...

disko3000 — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:23:47 GMT

i just found http://www.aionarmory.com/item.aspx?id=168000047 . As far as i know this is one of the best GS for caster.

i got some questions about it:

1. is this one just good for pvp? will i take aggro in pve when it proccs?
2. how much is it at the brooker, at ur server? how much kiniah could i get for it if i decide to sell it?

hope u can give me some info^^

thx,
disko

What type mana pots do you use when grinding?

Kuriiko — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:08:34 GMT

Do you mostly use mana over time or instant mana for grinding? Im kinda low on Kinah and since the instant mana ones seem to sell for 3x as much as mana over time was thinking about unloading some of the 500 I have. Will obviously save some for PvP since instant mana actually matters but for the most part can I just use mana over time for normal every day PvE grinding?

Quick and simple question about Illusion Storm

Enforceraw — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:04:13 GMT

Is it a 100% chance to stun all enemies as long as it doesn't get resisted?
Just making sure that it's not like Flaming Meteor before I spend my AP

Solo Sorcerer PvP (Levels 42 through 45)

Zot — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:29:35 GMT

My latest work, this is a compilation of PvP fights from when I was level 42 through 45. Most matchups have the odds stacked against me. I think this is the best vid I've made... yay vegas :D

YouTube- Aion PvP - Zot Sorcerer 42-45

Click through for the best version~

edit: Took four days but aionmovies approved it :|

http://www.aionmovies.com/movieview.php?id=245