Who actually enjoys grinding?

[Ergot]

Originally Posted by Ipmia

grind doesnt make a game eazy or hard

and wow grind is not much different than l2 grind time consuption wize

fact! but then again wow compared to L2 isnt made for 95% grind
and L2 quest are just boring if u ask me. ur better off with a fotg/IT party and grind ur ballz off all day long wich gets (eventually) boring *** hell (unless u have that littl korean inside u) and u only do it to get ur shiny s gradez and to experience some wicked endgame pvp. but i never felt certain lvl of competition as i felt in L2 because its ****ing hardcore.
anywayz its getn old so i vote quest/grind at a not so crazy time consuming rate.

[Calindor]

Questing in a WoW style would get boring *** hell if it took 12 months to get from lvl 1-70.

[BahamutKaiser]

I'd have to say that dedication to a game doesn't preclude you from laziness, in fact, if your putting good effort toward a game, your probably lazy, proactive people put good effort toward something significant, videogames are just entertainment, not a valuable pursuit.

But you can call an adult who spent 8 hrs at work and then came home to raise children leaving only 2 hrs of gameplay lazy, wile assuming a person who has 8-12 hrs to play is diligent and deserves reward for their "maturity". If only our success was relavent to our actual quality, I'm sure alot less "diligent" players would fair so well.

[Calindor]

meh, what would you consider to be a valuable pursuit? Most people watch TV for hours a day, playing a musical instrument is as valuable as playing a musical instrument (i've been playing guitar for 6 years) or something imo...its just more social, make friends, have fun. I talk to people I met over mmo's years ago practically everyday. A mmo is one of the few hobbies that can keep you entertained for hours on end, and have something you are actually putting into it...you are putting nothing into a FPS for example.

[Terpsichore]

Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

But you can call an adult who spent 8 hrs at work and then came home to raise children leaving only 2 hrs of gameplay lazy, wile assuming a person who has 8-12 hrs to play is diligent and deserves reward for their "maturity".

FPS, RTS.

Leave the only genre that reward dedication and personal skills alone.

If a MMO is watered down in every aspect just because "casual" players want to reach the peak playing 1h/day, its a wasted mmo, easy as that.

If there is no sense of competition or archieving something because everyone got easy access to everything, the game is dead for good.

[Heinel]

Originally Posted by Calindor

ginding is what you make it...you can make a party for forge of gods, or monastery of silence on L2 and have a real challenge of staying awake, playing your role and keeping alive (usually you will die every 30 minutes). Or you can go to an area of mobs or smack them by yourself.

Having a quest that says go kill 10 wolves and bring me their fangs is not my idea of content. Its more like a grind with running around in between, which actually makes it worse.

I think you are painting "questing" in general in a negative light unfairly by refering the general term to a specific kind of quest system, like the ones in Lineage II or World of Warcraft, where it's just grinding 2.0.

Questing need not be fetch 10 kills. In fact Aion has much better quests from what I've read. Such as one where you get turned into a parrot to spy on a pirate. Those are content, not meant to be repetitive, and inherently enjoyable. Unlike grind.

[BahamutKaiser]

Originally Posted by Terpsichore

FPS, RTS.

Leave the only genre that reward dedication and personal skills alone.

If a MMO is watered down in every aspect just because "casual" players want to reach the peak playing 1h/day, its a wasted mmo, easy as that.

If there is no sense of competition or archieving something because everyone got easy access to everything, the game is dead for good.

Simple solution really, just make the accomplishments based on challenge instead of time sink, just like FPS or RTS, why is that an enigma?

[Lesarius]

Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

I'd have to say that dedication to a game doesn't preclude you from laziness, in fact, if your putting good effort toward a game, your probably lazy, proactive people put good effort toward something significant, videogames are just entertainment, not a valuable pursuit.

But you can call an adult who spent 8 hrs at work and then came home to raise children leaving only 2 hrs of gameplay lazy, wile assuming a person who has 8-12 hrs to play is diligent and deserves reward for their "maturity". If only our success was relavent to our actual quality, I'm sure alot less "diligent" players would fair so well.

I agree with u Kaiser, its all in the way ppl look at it. some ppl can spend 12 hours in front of a computer each day. slowly becoming 1 with their chair lol, others cant. The pvp aspect of this game should sloves some problems making the game a lil more skill oriented, not just who can put more time into the game. BTW just because u've spent the last 2-3 yrs getting 2 lvl 80 doesnt make u a god, any fool can do it with enough time on their hands, even those 13 yr old immature wow players every1's always haten' on so much lol.

i think its not a matter of how long it takes 2 get to the lvl cap in a game that rly matters, hell it'd b awesome for a mmo 1 day 2 b limitless, with no lvl cap. the thing that matters is wheather or not the process of lvling is enjoyable or not. In L2 grinding continiously is boring as hell, with lilttle reward after u lvl giving u little incentive to push on through the grueling hours of countles unimaginative mob slaying. Quests by far improve a game, they change things up, add diversity and make things interesting. Wow has some pretty good quests, u have to actually think, try to unravel the puzzles they place before u, not just "hey go grab me 10 bear hides" although there are plenty of those in there as well; guess they cant always b creative ^^
As long as they put some thought into the quests, and make pvp something u can participate in throughout the lvl spectrum not just at the lvl cap, then i dont care if i never reach the max lvl, i want to always b getting stronger. that would b a good middle grnd for the hardcore and casual gamers. Casual gamers just dont want to have 2 spend 3 yrs b4 they can b involved in the interesting aspects of the game.

P.S. I've played L2 and have a lvl 71 character and Yea wow is a lil 2 easy in some aspects but all u haters have to give it credit, the economy isnt screwd like FF or L2 and u can at least participate in pvp after some reasonable playtime, instead of waiting a yr 2 have any fun like in L2 lol

[adrianus]

Originally Posted by Lesarius

I agree with u Kaiser, its all in the way ppl look at it. some ppl can spend 12 hours in front of a computer each day. slowly becoming 1 with their chair lol, others cant. The pvp aspect of this game should sloves some problems making the game a lil more skill oriented, not just who can put more time into the game. BTW just because u've spent the last 2-3 yrs getting 2 lvl 80 doesnt make u a god, any fool can do it with enough time on their hands, even those 13 yr old immature wow players every1's always haten' on so much lol.

i think its not a matter of how long it takes 2 get to the lvl cap in a game that rly matters, hell it'd b awesome for a mmo 1 day 2 b limitless, with no lvl cap. the thing that matters is wheather or not the process of lvling is enjoyable or not. In L2 grinding continiously is boring as hell, with lilttle reward after u lvl giving u little incentive to push on through the grueling hours of countles unimaginative mob slaying. Quests by far improve a game, they change things up, add diversity and make things interesting. Wow has some pretty good quests, u have to actually think, try to unravel the puzzles they place before u, not just "hey go grab me 10 bear hides" although there are plenty of those in there as well; guess they cant always b creative ^^
As long as they put some thought into the quests, and make pvp something u can participate in throughout the lvl spectrum not just at the lvl cap, then i dont care if i never reach the max lvl, i want to always b getting stronger. that would b a good middle grnd for the hardcore and casual gamers. Casual gamers just dont want to have 2 spend 3 yrs b4 they can b involved in the interesting aspects of the game.

P.S. I've played L2 and have a lvl 71 character and Yea wow is a lil 2 easy in some aspects but all u haters have to give it credit, the economy isnt screwd like FF or L2 and u can at least participate in pvp after some reasonable playtime, instead of waiting a yr 2 have any fun like in L2 lol

the best 2 posts ever

just couldnt say better as u guys did

[Millenia]

I don't mind to do a bit of grinding, it can be relaxing sometimes, but it may not be the only way to level up. I love doing quests, but unfortunately in most games quest are just a way to disguise the grinding. Kill 50 mobs, deliver quest and then find out that the next npc also wants to see 50 of them dead, I don't call that questing. So I really do hope they have thought out the quests a bit better in Aion. Getting experience from crafting for example would be a good idea also.

A game where it takes years to reach the max level is great IF you joined the game at release. But it is not fair to those who only discover the game some time later, they will never even come close to being able to compete with the "veterans". I think they had that problem in EVE online, they had to speed up the "learning" process for new skills, which then again made the veterans complain that they didn't have that when they where new. That just proofs you never can do good for everyone. I suppose making the max level not to hard to reach is just a way of making sure new players keep coming in over the years.

[JaetooL]

About quests,all the people at the beginning make the 2 or 3 in te village,although it will be a pure grind,will be awesome to discover the world,but finally nobody want to make quests when his lvl is more than 30 for example.Only original quests to make points or interesting puzzles will be the solution.In addition a good vid for the main quests will be the best choise,i don't want to play system quests of WoW or L2.

Some of them should change the world,in the case,each history's server

[adrianus]

well actually not all want to do grinding after he gets a higher lvl... just that at high lvls many MMO's give dump reword .. few exp and s*** exp .. and u prefer doing that exp amount by grinding cos is more easy .. But I for example I prefer having a quest that u have to kill 200 mobs but after that 200 mobs I also get a nice amount of exp or a very good item. I also enjoy puzzle quests, party quests, raid quests, bosses quests.. and so on

[oback]

grinding is for games that are not creative enough to find other ways to make leveling somewhat enjoyable.

that being said, i dont mind a little bit, but it shouldnt have too much grinding

[Anshin]

Originally Posted by JaetooL

About quests,all the people at the beginning make the 2 or 3 in te village,although it will be a pure grind,will be awesome to discover the world,but finally nobody want to make quests when his lvl is more than 30 for example.Only original quests to make points or interesting puzzles will be the solution.In addition a good vid for the main quests will be the best choise,i don't want to play system quests of WoW or L2.

Some of them should change the world,in the case,each history's server

Isn't this what happens in Aion?

[Venue]

Hope the grinding will be twice as hard compared to l2 and quests will give ****ty rewards so anyone will have to grind his way up. Killing mobs like you mean it!