-Classes!!!!-

[NickyMunne]

Hey guys. Most games have unbalanced classes-

Examples-

Guild wars- Migraine mesmer owns ele 100%-
Lineage 2- Archer owns everything- Necro owns everything to
World of wararcft- Druid owns mage-
RFO- Archers own everyone- ACC race owns everyone-
Vanguard- Healers own everyone impossible to kill-
Archlord- Ranger and Elementalist own everyone.


See in most games either 1 or 2 classe sown all or certain classes are hopeless to another.

I just want to see how balanced do yout hink aion is going to be!!!


Wizard's bane= what class in your opinion
Priest's bane-
Warrior's bane
Ranger's bane.


Ty fo rinput

[FeyraN]

You do realize in Lineage 2 and RFO, some classes aren't suppose to pvp. a Healer, crafter, buffer, or tank class in Lineage 2 is not suppose to kill anyone. That's what makes the game so amazing. The teamwork revolves around how well you play your class. A healer is suppose to heal, not kill. A Buffer is suppose to keep everyone buffed and debuff enemies while casting support magic and is also a secondary healer. A Tank is there to keep people stunned in pvp but is more useful in PvE. If you're not a DD class you're not suppose to be a fragger in pvp. So many people get angry because they can't pvp with their class, but you chose a class that wasn't a DD you're not supposed to be killing. You're suppose to be doing your job in pvp situations to help your party win. That's how the teamwork works, it's not everyone go killWhor3. Certain classes are meant to kill other classes in Guildwars Mesmers are supposed to kill eles.

I would hate this game if every class was a fragger.

[NickyMunne]

Archers own everyone in lineage 2...lol

[TwilightAngel]

Ummm how do archers own in RFO they die soo fast unless its a cross class acc which most are...and Acc only do the realy best right now bc there soooooo many if there was tuns of bells/cora and less acc they would we rolled on but probly still put up a ok fight. There been many times when cora set there and camped the acc portal in sette

[Ether]

Ultimately I'm not really keen on the rock-paper-cizzors idea of class balance. Because then it gets kind of repetitive. If pvp can involve how well each person plays their class as a major factor of how PVP turns out to be, then that'd be great.

But NCsoft has created lineage, lineage 2 and guild wars. And they're learning from past experience. Aion should be good =]

[Ipmia]

i dont know where you get that impression from lineage2.. its a game designed for mass pvp.. a archer non buffed is pretty gimped and can be killed by a good prophet. That why the few duels event of the game are self buffed.

GW is a game pretty much impossible to balance well... ther is way to many factors involved to create a descent balance although arena net did pretty well regarding all the classes, skills and combinations possible.


as for balance all the games have classes strongers than others, as long as it s acceptable its alright though imho ^^

[Deryck]

Originally Posted by FeyraN

You do realize in Lineage 2 and RFO, some classes aren't suppose to pvp. a Healer, crafter, buffer, or tank class in Lineage 2 is not suppose to kill anyone. That's what makes the game so amazing. The teamwork revolves around how well you play your class. A healer is suppose to heal, not kill. A Buffer is suppose to keep everyone buffed and debuff enemies while casting support magic and is also a secondary healer. A Tank is there to keep people stunned in pvp but is more useful in PvE. If you're not a DD class you're not suppose to be a fragger in pvp. So many people get angry because they can't pvp with their class, but you chose a class that wasn't a DD you're not supposed to be killing. You're suppose to be doing your job in pvp situations to help your party win. That's how the teamwork works, it's not everyone go killWhor3. Certain classes are meant to kill other classes in Guildwars Mesmers are supposed to kill eles.

I would hate this game if every class was a fragger.

Thats a lie. I've played Lineage 2 since closed beta, and I have played a Orc Shaman --> Warcryer --> Doomcryer to 78 and that's the best buffer in the game, and its also one of the best classes to kill people with. Yes, Steal Essence was nerfed, but I ended up doing +9 Cost for Steal Essence and its just like 5 or 10 more mp than what it was. I did +9 Power for Chant of Life, and its close if not better than a 40% heal from a bishop, just its a heal over time spell. With a +3 Arcana Mace, and no boss jewlery and DC Set I hit Mages, and Archers for near 1,000 - 1,800 damage. I usually hit tanks anywhere from 700-1400 damage. So saying that buffers shouldn't kill people is wrong, its just knowing how to play your class and playing it well. I also played as a secondary healer, throwing off chants of life in pvp and when i threw chant of victory, it was by far the best archer group you'd ever seen. ever. it was unstoppable.

[Ipmia]

Originally Posted by Deryck

Thats a lie. I've played Lineage 2 since closed beta, and I have played a Orc Shaman --> Warcryer --> Doomcryer to 78 and that's the best buffer in the game, and its also one of the best classes to kill people with. Yes, Steal Essence was nerfed, but I ended up doing +9 Cost for Steal Essence and its just like 5 or 10 more mp than what it was. I did +9 Power for Chant of Life, and its close if not better than a 40% heal from a bishop, just its a heal over time spell. With a +3 Arcana Mace, and no boss jewlery and DC Set I hit Mages, and Archers for near 1,000 - 1,800 damage. I usually hit tanks anywhere from 700-1400 damage. So saying that buffers shouldn't kill people is wrong, its just knowing how to play your class and playing it well. I also played as a secondary healer, throwing off chants of life in pvp and when i threw chant of victory, it was by far the best archer group you'd ever seen. ever. it was unstoppable.

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Warcry... do we really have to talk about a hyvrid ? but if you wanna start that then lets talk about the use of the warcryer.. the one that is supposed to be a buffer. that even at lvl 78 once he done he s round of buffs dont have much Mana left.. you deal dmg yea warcry can be played to "frag" but then they arent a buffer/healer anymore because you cant do both.. as for the best buffer ingame.. sorry dude but i dont remember seeing a full party wiped... and i dont remmeber a warcryer whilling to buff 1 or 2 freshly resed members with they teambuffs..

what Frey said is pretty much true

a warcryer is far to be the best buffer and its not the best damag dealer either.. the best buffer in a mass pvp being still the prophet and overlord.


For the record i had a Spectral dancer/sub SK/sub necro 78/76/66, a prophet 72, a SR 72, a SPS 68, a overlord 64 and a TH 66 when i quit.

[Koji]

Aren't mesmers supposed to be own warriors. I say this because i'm a mesmer and they do. Plus the preset PVP set titled 'Warriors Bane' is a Me/Mo.

[Dez]

You forgot; In Wow, Drood owns all :P

They can tank, heal, dps and they kinda stunlock.. gah.

[Mark]

Fixed the thread title. What's a calsses? Oh, classes. Durr.

[osric]

Originally Posted by Ipmia

For the record i had a Spectral dancer/sub SK/sub necro 78/76/66, a prophet 72, a SR 72, a SPS 68, a overlord 64 and a TH 66 when i quit.

you have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands!


and separately... class balance in pve means that any class can hunt solo, but is more effecient when grouped. the only way to balance classes for pvp is that in a one on one fight, any class, played well, can defeat any other class. in mass pvp you cant expect any kind of balance issue to hold true. there are too many people, too many factors, too many differing playstyles. the best mass pvpers play to their class strengths.

[NickyMunne]

Peopel ALWAYS forget to look at my point!!!!

My points is- Do you think aion is going to be like like l2 or gw in the mass pvp section- Or do you think 1v1 2v2 pvp will giv ean euqal chance to people base odn skill not clase and gear alone

[FeyraN]

This is an mmorpg, it is made of lots of numbers and not of player skill.

[seika]

im gonna be blunt its impossible to balance every class for PVP one class advantage will always be another's disadvantage. They will balance the classes for PVM but no game balances it for PVP they might nerf some skills IF it obviously gives another class an insane leverage over ALL classes. They won't nerf a skill if a healer can't kill x class cause it does this.

Also another thing, PVP does and always will require player skill unadvantaged players with better skill has a chance of beating a nub with good gear.