Dual Wield mechanics

[yoritomo]

are stigma slots swappable? how many do you have at 50? enough to use dual wield and get the pvp stigmas?

[Inambour]

5 at 50, you can always get to stigma trainer to change some but it costs stigma shards to do so. You can't swap them like that "on the field".

[yoritomo]

tough call, thanks though. now if only someone would be so kind about my skill question...

[Tumanu]

Where do you get the dual wield stigma stone?

[Xenogrant]

Stigmas are being reworked at 1.5patch. There will be 8 total, 5 usual and 3 advanced, which can work like skill chains. You can also put the usual stigmas into advanced slots etc. Should add quite a bit of diversity to end game tempaltes.

[Hanso]

Originally Posted by Tumanu

Where do you get the dual wield stigma stone?

ah or mob drop.

[yoritomo]

so ive been looking at the weapons and i dont understand why the two handers do less than half the damage of the one handers when the one handers have such a higher crit modifier and theres no modifier for dual wielding and the damage range isnt affecting the skills. i dont see any point in taking a 2 hander if you want to do decent damage, i see videos of 3-4k nukes from mages and glads topping out at 1200 with 2 handers. What gives?

[Nish]

Originally Posted by Hanso

ah or mob drop.

whats is "ah" ??

[Inambour]

Auction House.
Stuff sold by players via brokers.

[Nish]

RIGHT !!!! thx

[gwin]

As far as i know at the moment both crit and attack speed come from main hand only.

[Inambour]

Originally Posted by gwin

As far as i know at the moment both crit and attack speed come from main hand only.

QTF (if you don't factor passive crit for OH, but that's another story)

[yoritomo]

Even if it is the case that attack speed and crit come from the mh only theres a ton of other stats on those new 1.5 weapons. What about accuracy, magic resist, etc.

Lets look at some numbers to show how strange this is.

For example, the 2h sword is clearly superior to the 2h pole by a whopping 12 dps.

Polearm:

range - 251-467
speed - 2.8
dps - 128.21

greatsword:

329-347
2.4
140.83

Thats not right, those weapons are the same "ilevel" wtf?
A smaller but still noticeable disparity exists between the 1 handers, the dagger has 3 more dps than the sword but much more surprising than this, if you run the dps on the one handers youll find they are THE SAME AS THE 2 HANDED POLE!

WAT?

1h sword

161-197
1.4 speed
dps: 127.85

dagger

148-164
1.2 speed
dps: 130


HUH? the dagger has a higher dps than the polearm? how the nyerk does that work? youd get ANOTHER dagger on top of that making the white damage dps near DOUBLE that of a 2 hander. Add the stat disparity (and socket disparity) and you get: why why why why why?!

[TheJGoodz]

Originally Posted by yoritomo

Even if it is the case that attack speed and crit come from the mh only theres a ton of other stats on those new 1.5 weapons. What about accuracy, magic resist, etc.

Lets look at some numbers to show how strange this is.

For example, the 2h sword is clearly superior to the 2h pole by a whopping 12 dps.

Polearm:

range - 251-467
speed - 2.8
dps - 128.21

greatsword:

329-347
2.4
140.83

Thats not right, those weapons are the same "ilevel" wtf?
A smaller but still noticeable disparity exists between the 1 handers, the dagger has 3 more dps than the sword but much more surprising than this, if you run the dps on the one handers youll find they are THE SAME AS THE 2 HANDED POLE!

WAT?

1h sword

161-197
1.4 speed
dps: 127.85

dagger

148-164
1.2 speed
dps: 130


HUH? the dagger has a higher dps than the polearm? how the nyerk does that work? youd get ANOTHER dagger on top of that making the white damage dps near DOUBLE that of a 2 hander. Add the stat disparity (and socket disparity) and you get: why why why why why?!

Well, for starters. Polearms have a 50 crit base. Where as Greatswords have only 10.
The advantage of the polearm is having more crit, as a critical hit with a two handed weapon causes a stumble. Two handed weapons also have large AoE attacks.

Single handed weapons while faster, have no adverse effects with their criticals.

So normal dps without taking any effects, and skill damage into account is kind of pointless.

[Landar486]

meh. if i wanted to dual wield i'd be an assassin.
it's nice that it's an option though, but 2h should be the main focus of this class. i'll not trade 1/2 damage on skills and no aoe for more auto attack.