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J0K3R 3D · 07-14-2009, 06:34 PM

Im going to Kyoto for the first time this August so ive been hustling to learn it finally (doing Rosetta Stone daily). Its kool to finally start picking up on some things they are saying in those anime I watch. And the occasional "... thats not right ...." from the fansubs. I can speak and understand the basics I suppose. Me and my g/f fully plan on speaking nothing but Japanese to each other as soon as we finish the program to keep is fresh. Its easy to forget how to speak it, even with all the weekly anime I watch. But writing? Barely any ATM.

So far the only Katakana I know is の = no, and ユ = yu, which I use for occasional trolling "NO U!". I suck at memorizing those things for some reason, its the same with music notes. Ill work on it after I speak it more fluently. Would you guys recommend Katakana, Hiragana or Kanji for an ignorant tourist like me, lol? Actually want to learn that language, love the Japanese people (not in a wierd fetish sort of way). Actually need some help with something a bit personal (not creepy I swear, lol). Anyone?

P.S: Sorry to derail a bit.

Palapala · 07-14-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by J0K3R 3D

Would you guys recommend Katakana, Hiragana or Kanji for an ignorant tourist like me, lol?

They have different purposes, you should look up what they're used for.
Wiki:

Japanese_writing_system

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Originally Posted by J0K3R 3D

So far the only Katakana I know is の = no

Are you sure that's Katakana?

J0K3R 3D · 07-14-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Palapala

Are you sure that's Katakana?

doh ... "hiragana" ... but then the "yu" is wrong ... bah! See? Ignorant

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lol, well thanks for the link. So apparently theyre all mixed at any given moment? Yeah ill definitely wait until i learn the language before I write anything.

Edit: Apparently the program im using uses both Katakana and Hiragana in the writing while they teach it. Not sure why theyd have different symbols for the same sounds. Would it be something like the "k" and "c" in english where theyre the same sound but its misspelled if you use the wrong symbol for specific words? Thx.

Fellshadow · 07-14-2009, 09:47 PM

Hiragana is for Japanese words, Katakana is for foreign words. (although sometimes you will see Japanese words written in Katakana for emphasis) You cannot mix Katakana and Hiragana in one word.
The letters C, V, Q and X do not exist in the Japanese language. A true "L" and "R" also don't exist, its sort of a mix between the two.

If you are taking some sort of Japanese program, they should have taught you Hiragana then Katakana already. Those are the first things you should learn. It is possible to learn all of them on your own.
If you are serious about learning Japanese, don't learn it from a class back home. The fastest and best way to learn it is to take a Japanese language and culture program in Japan.

angelsarc · 07-14-2009, 10:54 PM

Personally, it takes me longer to figure out what katakana is supposed to mean, because the phonetics of the Japanese and English are often different.

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Originally Posted by Fellshadow

Hiragana is for Japanese words, Katakana is for foreign words. (although sometimes you will see Japanese words written in Katakana for emphasis) You cannot mix Katakana and Hiragana in one word.

Sure you can mix them...online. It gets really screwed up when they (Japanese people) start using English letters/consonants alone or mixed with random kana as abbreviations.

age
うp
ktkr

Yeah.

J0K3R 3D · 07-14-2009, 10:58 PM

Oh my ... I foresee many headaches and advils in my future ...

Kyuzo · 07-15-2009, 01:17 AM

Uh I've never seen katakana or hiragana used with english letters.

And hiragana and katakana really isn't hard. Like Fellshadow said, you can pretty much just learn it on your own.
It's like memorizing a new set of ABCs.

angelsarc · 07-15-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyuzo

Uh I've never seen katakana or hiragana used with english letters.

And hiragana and katakana really isn't hard. Like Fellshadow said, you can pretty much just learn it on your own.
It's like memorizing a new set of ABCs.

Watch more niconico. You should be watching match videos, anyway, seeing as how you have Jin plastered all over your avatar and sig. But I digress.

Murdock · 07-15-2009, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by J0K3R 3D

Oh my ... I foresee many headaches and advils in my future ...

Don't worry, hiragana and katakana are a cinch to learn.

Kanji on the other hand...

transrelativity · 07-16-2009, 01:43 AM

ソ and ン give me a headache. Otherwise, katakana is pretty easy, but I still find hiragana easiest of all.

Baleur · 07-16-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I am jealous. T____T

i frickin love japanese but i still havent managed to start learning it.

just the usual phrases you pick up from watching too much anime.

and no, i DONT belong to the wannabes who go around looking for japaneses just to say "KONNICHIWA MINA-SAN GENKI DESU KAAA~~~~~~????? HAI HAI GENKI DESUUU~~~~~~ GANBATTE NE! JA, MATA NE~~~~~~~"

but yes, I'm jealous

*QQ*

*leaves thread*

1. Rosetta Stone --> Learn Japanese with the world's #1 language learning software | Rosetta Stone
2. Drunken youtube teacher (actually how i learnt hiragana & katakana, he's nyerked up but it keeps it interesting instead of boring) -->

YouTube - Namasensei's Japanese Lessons - Lesson 4 Adjectives Part 2

Faliandra · 07-16-2009, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Baleur

1. Rosetta Stone --> Learn Japanese with the world's #1 language learning software | Rosetta Stone
2. Drunken youtube teacher (actually how i learnt hiragana & katakana, he's nyerked up but it keeps it interesting instead of boring) --> YouTube - Namasensei's Japanese Lessons - Lesson 4 Adjectives Part 2

hm that software looks interesting, but the price really knocked me off my chair....I can't just spare 500 or 600 USD for the complete 3 lvls....i am not that rich. might as well find a torrent for it :/

and that video made me lol....but this guy's pronounciation is terrible....japanese with a heavy american accent = fail

Baleur · 07-16-2009, 07:19 AM

Hehe i cant say that i paid much for it (COUGH COUGH)
I know, but at least you can start to grasp some of the basic grammatical forms and hiragana/katakana :=)

J0K3R 3D · 07-16-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

hm that software looks interesting, but the price really knocked me off my chair....I can't just spare 500 or 600 USD for the complete 3 lvls....i am not that rich. might as well find a torrent for it :/

and that video made me lol....but this guy's pronounciation is terrible....japanese with a heavy american accent = fail

I was listening to Pimsluers for a while. Its actually pretty good. I liked it better than Rosetta Stone (until I got version 3). And you can just listen to it on the way to work.

Amazon.com: Japanese I - 3rd Ed.: Learn to Speak and Understand Japanese with Pimsleur Language Programs (Comprehensive): Pimsleur: Books

Faliandra · 07-23-2009, 11:56 PM

wow, namasensei really helped me a lot with the hiragana....I know them all now...so i guess thats a very good start to learning japanese...so you can practise writing and reading in hiragana even more while learning grammar stuff right away

土もありがとうございます！たのしいです！＾＾

07-14-2009, 09:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
Fellshadow General Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Tokyo Thanks: 2 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts Character: Arcueid Class: Gladiator Legion: Riznial Race: Asmodians	Hiragana is for Japanese words, Katakana is for foreign words. (although sometimes you will see Japanese words written in Katakana for emphasis) You cannot mix Katakana and Hiragana in one word. The letters C, V, Q and X do not exist in the Japanese language. A true "L" and "R" also don't exist, its sort of a mix between the two. If you are taking some sort of Japanese program, they should have taught you Hiragana then Katakana already. Those are the first things you should learn. It is possible to learn all of them on your own. If you are serious about learning Japanese, don't learn it from a class back home. The fastest and best way to learn it is to take a Japanese language and culture program in Japan. Last edited by Fellshadow; 07-14-2009 at 09:50 PM..

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Kyuzo Star Officer Join Date: May 2007 Location: California Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Class: Ranger Legion: ApeX Race: Elyos	Uh I've never seen katakana or hiragana used with english letters. And hiragana and katakana really isn't hard. Like Fellshadow said, you can pretty much just learn it on your own. It's like memorizing a new set of ABCs. __________________ #ApeXGaming Counterstrike Season22 CAL-Main CEVO-A Season8: 9-1 Seed#2 Playoffs My Ultimate Frag Movie

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Baleur General Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sweden Thanks: 11 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts Character: Bethalsenann Class: Ranger Legion: DooM Race: Asmodians Server: Spatalos	Hehe i cant say that i paid much for it (COUGH COUGH) I know, but at least you can start to grasp some of the basic grammatical forms and hiragana/katakana :=) __________________ Sarcasm was first recorded in English in "The Shepheardes Calender" in 1579. You've had 400 years to get familiar with it.. But better late than never I guess.

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07-14-2009, 06:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
J0K3R 3D Officer Join Date: Jun 2009 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Race: Elyos	Im going to Kyoto for the first time this August so ive been hustling to learn it finally (doing Rosetta Stone daily). Its kool to finally start picking up on some things they are saying in those anime I watch. And the occasional "... thats not right ...." from the fansubs. I can speak and understand the basics I suppose. Me and my g/f fully plan on speaking nothing but Japanese to each other as soon as we finish the program to keep is fresh. Its easy to forget how to speak it, even with all the weekly anime I watch. But writing? Barely any ATM. So far the only Katakana I know is の = no, and ユ = yu, which I use for occasional trolling "NO U!". I suck at memorizing those things for some reason, its the same with music notes. Ill work on it after I speak it more fluently. Would you guys recommend Katakana, Hiragana or Kanji for an ignorant tourist like me, lol? Actually want to learn that language, love the Japanese people (not in a wierd fetish sort of way). Actually need some help with something a bit personal (not creepy I swear, lol). Anyone? P.S: Sorry to derail a bit.

07-14-2009, 10:58 PM	#21 (permalink)
J0K3R 3D Officer Join Date: Jun 2009 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Race: Elyos	Oh my ... I foresee many headaches and advils in my future ...

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transrelativity Officer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mie-ken, Japan Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 6 Posts Character: Verity Class: Chanter Legion: Verendus Race: Elyos Server: Nezekan	ソ and ン give me a headache. Otherwise, katakana is pretty easy, but I still find hiragana easiest of all.

07-23-2009, 11:56 PM	#30 (permalink)
Faliandra General Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts Character: Faliandra Class: Cleric Race: Elyos Server: Triniel	wow, namasensei really helped me a lot with the hiragana....I know them all now...so i guess thats a very good start to learning japanese...so you can practise writing and reading in hiragana even more while learning grammar stuff right away 土もありがとうございます！たのしいです！＾＾

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