Engineer for Steel Rake = best boss design ever

[niuniu]

Ok well we went to Engineer last night for the first time and did it on our first go. I looked up some thing on the internet that showed a spot to stand in and a spot to tank him and we only got aoed by one steam blast every minute or so. It was Very mana and healing intensive after the first maybe 25% and I can definitely see that if a healer isn't constantly doing their job it's an easy wipe.

I think dpsers need to stop crying and realise that they aren't the only class in game. Healers need fights that's aimed at them too and this fight is definitely one for the healers to enjoy.

Our party was 43's and one 42 and felt tested, but I'm sure with some nice aoe healing stigmas like Splendor and a few more levels this would be a lot easier.

He dropped the blue chain set pants..

[Vari]

Why are people comparing max level WoW raids with a level 40ish encounter in Aion? You should be comparing this instance with a boss back in say Stratholme in pre-TBC WoW or something which was equally easy; this is not an endgame encounter stop comparing the two. Another person brought up perfectly how dreadgions aren't even on farm though they've been out a long time in Korea.

[dalavita]

Originally Posted by sithlord

Belive me WoW PvE is much harder.

Laughed so hard milk came out of my nose.

[Marina]

Originally Posted by dalavita

Laughed so hard milk came out of my nose.

compared to everything that aion has to offer pvewise, it is.

[ProjectGalaxy]

Originally Posted by Marina

compared to everything that aion has to offer pvewise, it is.

Just like how some people don't find Aion's "tank and spank" bosses hard(despite the fact they wipe), I don't find WoW's dance routines to be hard. Aion PvE is harder to me.

[Giltine]

Originally Posted by ProjectGalaxy

Just like how some people don't find Aion's "tank and spank" bosses hard(despite the fact they wipe), I don't find WoW's dance routines to be hard. Aion PvE is harder to me.

Aion's bosses are anything other then tank and spanks, well the later ones at least. Though I do wish they would stop pulsating nyerking AoEs and ruining melee's life. Seems like both Aion and WoW reverted at times to just making a boss do random AoE stuff to make it "hard" instead of designing a fight.

[snyk666]

Originally Posted by johnny manhands

Nothing I've seen compares to a giant purple monkey that heals to full when you use a hex, enchantment or condition spawning continual adds while standing in a room where 50% of attacks miss, you loose mana whenever you swing a weapon, you take damage whenever you move. Oh and the game has no tank classes or taunt mechanic so the enemys go straight for the squishiest targets and wang on them until they die.

To my knowledge noone has ever actually completed a legitimate kill of Abbadon, instead having to rely on glitches, pve-only skills and consumables - and the task itself is nigh impossible since they turned many of the normal skills into pve-only skills.

i think you mean Mallyx heh.

edit: bleh didnt see your other post..

[gisborne]

Originally Posted by Chros

Anyone else lol at this? WoW PvE is easy mode .
If you think WoW is hard FFXI would just make you break into tears.

FFXI? These are the Aion forums and Aion PvE is even more easy mode than anything WoW has ever put out.

[distaste]

Originally Posted by Chros

Anyone else lol at this? WoW PvE is easy mode .
If you think WoW is hard FFXI would just make you break into tears.

You talking about the boss that takes 18 hours to kill? IMO that's not technically hard but just an endurance test. Is it just DPS while the boss constantly kills people and a rez train keeps feeding the line? OR is there some technical aspects to it? I'm curious because with 18 hours of health and a rez train those bosses can be zerged down(see sleeper in EQ).

C'thun in WoW was one of my all time favorite fights because it was so technically challenging. You had to kill the adds ASAP, stay an exact distance from other players or the beams will chain(instant wipe) and there was just enough room for 40 people to spread out, Run around the room when the big laser happened, then start phase 2! There you had to kill the tentacles, CC the eye ones in rotation so no one got hit, and depend on everyone to DPS the ones in the stomach to make him go vuln then all out DPS. If timing was wrong or someone wasn't doing their job the raid wiped. It truly encompassed everything from communication, technical skills, and gear check.

With a technically challenging boss even 1000 people couldn't kill it unless they pull off the technical part properly.

OR maybe you were talking about leveling PvE? In which case meh, the boss fights are usually the pinnacle of the PvE in a game and are what need to be judged.

[Purple]

Originally Posted by Pinch

People laughing at WoW PvE, post your armory so I can tear your dumb asses apart

I also love how you idiots jump on the LOL WOW ***S R CRYIN bandwagon as soon as your precious game gets critiqued in any way. Shut the nyerk up. I'm starting to think that this forum is full of a bunch of mouth-breathing neckbeards.

Your praise for WoW PvE would have been well founded in Burning Crusade, but in WotLK it's a serious disgrace.

Not that there's a point in arguing with someone who has a pronounced pro-Blizzard/WoW bias in absolutely everything he's posted on WoW/Aion forums in the last 6 months. And yes, I do know who you are.

That being said, WoW PvE is indeed better than Aion PvE. It really can't be said otherwise if one is to be objective.

[LastChime]

Umm if all these other games are so much better.......why ya here anyways?

[Johndoe]

Originally Posted by distaste

You talking about the boss that takes 18 hours to kill? IMO that's not technically hard but just an endurance test. Is it just DPS while the boss constantly kills people and a rez train keeps feeding the line? OR is there some technical aspects to it? I'm curious because with 18 hours of health and a rez train those bosses can be zerged down(see sleeper in EQ).

C'thun in WoW was one of my all time favorite fights because it was so technically challenging. You had to kill the adds ASAP, stay an exact distance from other players or the beams will chain(instant wipe) and there was just enough room for 40 people to spread out, Run around the room when the big laser happened, then start phase 2! There you had to kill the tentacles, CC the eye ones in rotation so no one got hit, and depend on everyone to DPS the ones in the stomach to make him go vuln then all out DPS. If timing was wrong or someone wasn't doing their job the raid wiped. It truly encompassed everything from communication, technical skills, and gear check.

With a technically challenging boss even 1000 people couldn't kill it unless they pull off the technical part properly.

OR maybe you were talking about leveling PvE? In which case meh, the boss fights are usually the pinnacle of the PvE in a game and are what need to be judged.

Other than that boss, end game FFXI can be extremely hard yes.

[Glor]

Originally Posted by Chros

Anyone else lol at this? WoW PvE is easy mode .
If you think WoW is hard FFXI would just make you break into tears.

Lol. The only thing FFXI has to offer is 20Hours long bosses, one of which almost got one-shotted by the first guild (or second?), that could pull it, but gave up since they couldn't know how much longer it would take...
Yes one-shotted. So don't even try to say FFXI is hard. FFXI is just time consuming, it's an old school mmo.
WoW in the other hand, always had a few bosses that requires hundreds of tries to be defeated. And we are talking about the best players in the world in a MMO where you're more likely to come accross much more excellent players in the same guild, due to the massive audience it has.

[TheEnd]

I just lolz and stand there. Healer/Pots keep me up.

[Johndoe]

Originally Posted by Glor

Lol. The only thing FFXI has to offer is 20Hours long bosses, one of which almost got one-shotted by the first guild (or second?), that could pull it, but gave up since they couldn't know how much longer it would take...
Yes one-shotted. So don't even try to say FFXI is hard. FFXI is just time consuming, it's an old school mmo.
WoW in the other hand, always had a few bosses that requires hundreds of tries to be defeated. And we are talking about the best players in the world in a MMO where you're more likely to come accross much more excellent players in the same guild, due to the massive audience it has.

You are an idiot and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to FFXI.