which class takes the most skill to play?

[ihavoc]

assassins...

nothing but short buffs with long cooldowns for most
paper thin armor
almost all attacks must meet a certain condition in order to hit decently(location of attack, rune carving lvl, is opponent poisoned or stunned?)
thousands of keys
hardest to level 1-25
no cc of any kind
pretty much screwed when 2 strong mobs come at you

[Music]

Ranger... simply put: If you use your skill at the wrong time, essentially you screwed yourself over, especially if it's against a class like a temp, sorc, or another ranger

[Saintsinner]

49 People voted for Clerics and Sorc...

[Ironguard]

Originally Posted by Trini-el

Lvl 18 assassin? lol. Come back to this thread once you've discovered the wonder that is assassin air pvp.

Hey, at least when you do hit someting, one could surpass what you did as damage. what about us templars! Inescapable judgment on a 45 sec Cooldown QQ.

[kriS411]

Originally Posted by ihavoc

assassins...

nothing but short buffs with long cooldowns for most
paper thin armor
almost all attacks must meet a certain condition in order to hit decently(location of attack, rune carving lvl, is opponent poisoned or stunned?)
thousands of keys
hardest to level 1-25
no cc of any kind
pretty much screwed when 2 strong mobs come at you

yeah, when I see thos 47 sins farming core abyss with no downtime I truly need to agree with you...
fact aside that this discussion is about pvp and not pve...

[karn09]

tl;dr

There should be two versions of this thread poll. . . . One for Melee, so everyone with melee mains there can vote up melee classes and circle jerk that those are the hardest. Obviously another for ranged, to further the my class is hardest circle jerk.

All classes take specific player skill, knowledge, and experience to be really good. But those damn gladiators? FACEROLL haha

[Uvirith]

Most definitely Chanter, both Solo and in Group

[Atol]

Originally Posted by Trini-el

Lvl 18 assassin? lol. Come back to this thread once you've discovered the wonder that is assassin air pvp.

ACTUALLY... not 18. Havent been for a while. Its an old sig. Im at work and the most I can do is this forum (proxies and all that). But hey... you tried and I can appreciate that.

RL is a nyerk aint it?

[ihavoc]

Originally Posted by kriS411

yeah, when I see thos 47 sins farming core abyss with no downtime I truly need to agree with you...
fact aside that this discussion is about pvp and not pve...

without the element of surprise, assassins arent any harder to deal with than any other classes.

and any other class can farm with no downtime if they have alchemy down. not really seeing the argument here.

[Scruff]

Don't think anyone can accurately say which class is the hardest etc until they have tried them all to a certain level.
But even without doing that I can say range classes have it much easier in pvp. And of all range classes ranger wins lol. I think SM is much harder to play with.

Its a different story for PVE though, also depending on the situation, therefore this thread is just too broad. I mean, in a party I think Temp's got a pretty tough job, dps just shoots away.

[Corum_]

When I play my sorc I just cheese my way through a few tried and tested rotations. 9/10 times it works. If it goes wrong well I can cc again and get the hell out anyway pretty easy.
On my glad virtually every fight is an uphill struggle but the payoff can be a lot more satisfying.
Not sure which takes more 'skill' per se but on the glad I have to try a lot harder.
Thats 1v1.

In group play I'd say ranged classes don't have it so easy and the players need much more situational awareness.

[Elle]

Whoever voted for ranged.. wtf? srsly? I'll comment on the two classes that I play.

I'd have to say the hardest to master would be the assassin, due to rune building (not difficult once you get used to it), stigma line-ups, and the need to watch for certain buffs to be activated in chat, along with watching the surrounding area. As far as stigmas go, with what is needed in general PvP, we cannot have access to our end line abilities.

Until level 34, everyone and their mom can see us, even if we stealth up (34 is when we get advanced stealth). Even then, the "random" stealth timer is utter crap. 30 seconds - 45 seconds, with a 1 minute re-use timer, and lowers our run speed. It sucks, but more or less useful to a small degree. I would rather have stoneskin

Once we get to a higher level, we do have ways to perma-stun people, but even that requires a bit of, "effort", or rather, mistakes the enemy makes. Such as using a melee attack (or using a pet) when we pop Focus Evade (so we can use whirlwind or counterattack).

At my current level, attacking sorcs and rangers is just utter suicide, and to some degree, spiritmasters as well, unless they actually know how to play one.

I would think this applies to other melee toons as well, but in order to do well with the sin, you need above average gear (blue-con / gold con abyss gear), and a massive crap ton of scrolls, food, drink, potions of every type, etc..

Spiritmasters are easy, but takes a certain mentality to play one effectively (as in, being able to multitask well). Ton easier than my assassin for sure.

[Karma]

Originally Posted by Psychodrake

All melee classes. This game is very ranged friendly.

I chose Templar for the sake of the terrible damage and insane difficulty against kiting.

They never die. Never never never never never. That makes up for lack of kiting retaliation.

Of course, pre level 40 they have a rough time.

As for rangers being the hardest... nah. Easiest to kite with, more solo-friendly PvP wise than any other class. Does just as good in groups as any other. It's shocking this is the highest voted? Too much e-peen stroking going on here methinks.

As for sorcs being the hardest... nah but they're difficult in some situations despite the fact that everyone thinks they're the "loloneshot" class. Generally, this does not happen even with a 4k DP unless you're several levels lower. The only exception being Rangers and Assassins getting ganked with Aether's Hold combo which is 37+ Sorcs. I think people are getting skewed views from ganking events.

SM's are the I-Win of PvP currently, so nah. Fear + DoT spam = gameover. Just as easy to kite with as Sorcs, perhaps slightly easier but slower kill rate.

TBH I would say Gladiators and Assassins are the most difficult to play with effectively. Gladiators moreso because they don't have the inherent advantage of lolstunlock. Assassins are only really difficult to use in big group PvP settings. No problems PvE wise with my Assassin, not much into PvP yet coz I'm a Sorc at heart.

It's cute to see how everyone who uses a melee class automatically eliminates all ranged classes from their choices though. Really, you make it all seem to easy. PvE wise I will agree with you, it is quite risk free if fighting only 1 or 2 mobs at any given time. But I truly encourage you to level up a Sorc to my level and see how well you do solo PvPing. The only class I kill pretty easily are Rangers and Gladiators. Templars simply survive my initial burst DPS with half their HP remaining and AoEL activated, now I'm on cooldowns and as good as dead. Assassins lolstunlock and Aerial Shackle me and I lose. Clerics and Chanters albeit are a tad easier but if I can't get a specific chain of skills to go off consecutively then they heal and usually I eventually die due to this. SM's, as everyone knows, just win everything.

Sooner or later, when all of you whiners are actually at a respectable level, you will see how much other classes begin to become formidable, particularly Templars which are just stupid hard to kill. If you are under level 40, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Phinyx]

Originally Posted by Karma

TBH I would say Gladiators and Assassins are the most difficult to play with effectively. Gladiators moreso because they don't have the inherent advantage of lolstunlock. Assassins are only really difficult to use in big group PvP settings. No problems PvE wise with my Assassin, not much into PvP yet coz I'm a Sorc at heart.

Really some very good points all around, I just wanted to touch on this bit.

In endgame Glads are actually designed around "lolstunlock" as you put it. They use a greatsword (for faster attack speed) in tandem with multiple ASpd boosts to reduce time between attacks, and stack PCrit for as many crits as possible. The end result of this is that a Glad can often crit more than once every 2-3 seconds, which results in "knockdown-lock" for many opponents. It's something that you won't see much of until the higher levels when Glads attain ASpd weapons/gloves/scrolls and have high Crit to match it.

Sins I can agree are more difficult to use in mass PvP - they're best used in a situation where you can get the drop on an enemy at unawares, preferably 1-on-1. Their perma-stealth and ultra-fast attacks are two advantages that other classes don't have, though, giving them some unique benefits that are worth trying out in groups. At endgame they're among the most powerful out there, for the reasons specified above about Glads (just replace knockdown-lock with actual stunlock).

[Shioji]

lol @ idiots that actually vote for clerics or sorcs or sms, melee should be the only ones getting any votes in this poll.