Looking at the stigma builds of high-ranked Korean rangers

[Foofmonger]

Originally Posted by Ganondorfz

thing is explosive doesnt need Sh*t pre requirements like lethal

I wouldn't call Deluge and Might "sh*t". They really aren't that bad. Ever think about Might - Arrow Storm - Arrow Deluge - Vaziels?

[xr0yc3x]

Originally Posted by Jaixen

Heart Shot is 2 times better than Explosive arrow.. plus it can be shot while moving.. and Explosive Arrow has a damn animation cast on it.


I'm going full Heart Shot stigma route.. same damage as Explosive.. can be shot on the run and has a Higher chance to crit than Explosive.

Also if you all have actually tested our % Phy. Attack increases from stigmas they are quite disappointing... unless you melee and they actually increase your damage substantially with the exception of BoB. Bestial Fury is the only one that really increases our damage.. and it's b/c of hte 20% attack speed.

Let me comment on the bolded.

Let's take 500 attack. (from a Korean profile) and then let's take Focused shots, Bestial Fury, Strong Shots, and Bow of Blessing. That's a 115% increase in attack.

1.15 * 500 = 575 | 500+575 = 1075. Now you have an added 575 damage to skills and probably the same for auto attacks.

Now let's take Darkwing Arrow: 1000 base damage. Add your 500. 1500 * .5 = 750 damage in PvP * 1.8 for criticals = ~1350-1500 damage.

Now do the same math but with 1075 attack (Fully buffed). The result is ~1000 damage in PvP and ~2000 damage for criticals.

See why this build is favored now?

When talking attack and damage, just remember our damage is meant to SCALE. We are not sorcerers. Our attack multipliers make us or break us at level 50.

[Ganondorfz]

Originally Posted by Foofmonger

I wouldn't call Deluge and Might "sh*t". They really aren't that bad. Ever think about Might - Arrow Storm - Arrow Deluge - Vaziels?

would rather think about Bestial Fury, Focused shots, BoB, devotion-----> stuning>rupture>brightwing>explosive arrow
pretty numbers...

edit: arrow deluge does fail and might is meh

[Kensh]

Originally Posted by xr0yc3x

Let me comment on the bolded.

Let's take 500 attack. (from a Korean profile) and then let's take Focused shots, Bestial Fury, Strong Shots, and Bow of Blessing. That's a 115% increase in attack.

1.15 * 500 = 575 | 500+575 = 1075. Now you have an added 575 damage to skills and probably the same for auto attacks.

Now let's take Darkwing Arrow: 1000 base damage. Add your 500. 1500 * .5 = 750 damage in PvP * 1.8 for criticals = ~1350-1500 damage.

Now do the same math but with 1075 attack (Fully buffed). The result is ~1000 damage in PvP and ~2000 damage for criticals.

See why this build is favored now?

When talking attack and damage, just remember our damage is meant to SCALE. We are not sorcerers. Our attack multipliers make us or break us at level 50.

Attack buffs only effect Base attack, so that 500 would be more like 260-280 base (or something like that)

[CrimsonLyre]

Originally Posted by xr0yc3x

Let me comment on the bolded.

Let's take 500 attack. (from a Korean profile) and then let's take Focused shots, Bestial Fury, Strong Shots, and Bow of Blessing. That's a 115% increase in attack.

1.15 * 500 = 575 | 500+575 = 1075. Now you have an added 575 damage to skills and probably the same for auto attacks.

Now let's take Darkwing Arrow: 1000 base damage. Add your 500. 1500 * .5 = 750 damage in PvP * 1.8 for criticals = ~1350-1500 damage.

Now do the same math but with 1075 attack (Fully buffed). The result is ~1000 damage in PvP and ~2000 damage for criticals.

See why this build is favored now?

When talking attack and damage, just remember our damage is meant to SCALE. We are not sorcerers. Our attack multipliers make us or break us at level 50.

The %phys attack increase only works off of the bow damage (including the + from enchantment stones), so the max bow with +10 is going to be 266-347, an average of 307 atk added to each shot. So it will add about 353 damage, 176.5 for pvp assuming you have ALL of those skills up. Which you probably won't as is. Plus, for pvp I never run strong shots as dodging, aiming, and beastial fury make a much much bigger impact then.

Edit: Kensh beat me to it lol

[Foofmonger]

Originally Posted by Ganondorfz

would rather think about Bestial Fury, Focused shots, BoB, devotion-----> stuning>rupture>brightwing>explosive arrow
pretty numbers...

edit: arrow deluge does fail and might is meh

Your post makes no sense.

1. Since when are any of those attacks... AoE!?

2. It's assumed you'd also be prebuffing FS/BoB/Dev/BF before those as well.

Edit: Deluge is not "fail" and you like everyone else didn't even think before posting.

Since when the hell is being able to guarantee that two AoE attacks auto crit "fail" (esp when you can back it up with a DP AoE attack as well).

I'm not saying I'd use the build (as I haven't tried everything), but there ARE different ways to spec. There are choices. You can do what you want. Being able to hit a group of people with 2 auto crit AoE attacks followed by an AoE DP attack might be pretty nice, ya think?

[mrJones]

Originally Posted by Kensh

Attack buffs only effect Base attack, so that 500 would be more like 260-280 base (or something like that)

i feel bad for xroycaz

supposed to be ranger who strangely have 0 clue in how damage is calculated

[Ganondorfz]

Originally Posted by Foofmonger

Your post makes no sense.

1. Since when are any of those attacks... AoE!?

2. It's assumed you'd also be prebuffing FS/BoB/Dev/BF before those as well.

Edit: Deluge is not "fail" and you like everyone else didn't even think before posting.

Since when the hell is being able to guarantee that two AoE attacks auto crit "fail" (esp when you can back it up with a DP AoE attack as well).

I'm not saying I'd use the build (as I haven't tried everything), but there ARE different ways to spec. There are choices. You can do what you want. Being able to hit a group of people with 2 auto crit AoE attacks followed by an AoE DP attack might be pretty nice, ya think?

mmm where to start:

i wasn't talking about Aoe, We got poor aoe unlike glads and sorcs.
in my previous post, i already said i would prebuff those spells and then unleash the big critters
Arrow deluge is fail, its a crappy stigma. if you think otherwise you dont play a ranger

ofcourse everyone has his own choice but i mean really Aoe? since when do we focus on Aoe? when we got poor Aoe skills. youre talking no sense at all

edit: Mau form> Vaziel

[Vild]

Originally Posted by Jaixen

Heart Shot is 2 times better than Explosive arrow.. plus it can be shot while moving.. and Explosive Arrow has a damn animation cast on it.


I'm going full Heart Shot stigma route.. same damage as Explosive.. can be shot on the run and has a Higher chance to crit than Explosive.

Also if you all have actually tested our % Phy. Attack increases from stigmas they are quite disappointing... unless you melee and they actually increase your damage substantially with the exception of BoB. Bestial Fury is the only one that really increases our damage.. and it's b/c of hte 20% attack speed.

I know that Gale arrow can be shoot on the run like snare ... but can heart shot also ? ... that would make the build much more interresting, especially for the flight fights.

[IshyIshy]

Originally Posted by Ganondorfz

mmm where to start:

i wasn't talking about Aoe, We got poor aoe unlike glads and sorcs.
in my previous post, i already said i would prebuff those spells and then unleash the big critters
Arrow deluge is fail, its a crappy stigma. if you think otherwise you dont play a ranger

ofcourse everyone has his own choice but i mean really Aoe? since when do we focus on Aoe? when we got poor Aoe skills. youre talking no sense at all

edit: Mau form> Vaziel

QFT

If you roll a ranger to AoE then you are going to be dissapointed, we were given some AoE but it was never the classes strong point.

[Foofmonger]

Originally Posted by Ganondorfz

mmm where to start:

i wasn't talking about Aoe, We got poor aoe unlike glads and sorcs.
in my previous post, i already said i would prebuff those spells and then unleash the big critters
Arrow deluge is fail, its a crappy stigma. if you think otherwise you dont play a ranger

ofcourse everyone has his own choice but i mean really Aoe? since when do we focus on Aoe? when we got poor Aoe skills. youre talking no sense at all

edit: Mau form> Vaziel

I know you weren't talking about AoE, which is why your post MAKES NO SENSE. Since I was referring to AoE.

Arrow Deluge is not fail, you are. Think for yourself for once please.

Yes, our AoE may not be the best in the game, but AoE as a whole in this game isn't as OPed as it was in some others. Regardless, being able to AUTO CRIT TWO RANGED AOE ATTACKS, is not a bad thing.

And Mau Form really isn't that great endgame btw. You will be ATK spd capped with BF, and in the abyss +run speed does almost nothing, so its just an extra Focused Shots basically.

[xr0yc3x]

Originally Posted by mrJones

i feel bad for xroycaz

supposed to be ranger who strangely have 0 clue in how damage is calculated

Lol, you feel bad for me cause i didn't know that it calculated base and not total attack? no need to feel bad, i'll get over it. Never said I knew everything.

[Ganondorfz]

Originally Posted by Foofmonger

I know you weren't talking about AoE, which is why your post MAKES NO SENSE. Since I was referring to AoE.

Arrow Deluge is not fail, you are. Think for yourself for once please.

Yes, our AoE may not be the best in the game, but AoE as a whole in this game isn't as OPed as it was in some others. Regardless, being able to AUTO CRIT TWO RANGED AOE ATTACKS, is not a bad thing.

And Mau Form really isn't that great endgame btw. You will be ATK spd capped with BF, and in the abyss +run speed does almost nothing, so its just an extra Focused Shots basically.

i was referring to your post about Aoe and how bad our Aoe is.
you say i need to think for myself? i am and i am calling you a scrub ranger because you think arrow deluge is good.
amagad 2 ranged aoe atacks which crit???? you go happily aoe people while il leave that job to the sorcs and glads and just FF anything squishy with our huge burst.
and the speed and atack bonus of mau form? there are areas where are no flight so the speed is really nice like dredgion for example. and like i said vaziel arrow is bad and so are you.

yet again i see how much you fail. i am even doubting if you even play a ranger

faill less

edit: bestial fury is very nice, it is just a flat out DPS increase and it's king in PVE

[Lieto]

I just hate tier1 of Heart shot chain.. Slash.. Breath of Nature = blows =/

[Jaixen]

Originally Posted by CrimsonLyre

The %phys attack increase only works off of the bow damage (including the + from enchantment stones), so the max bow with +10 is going to be 266-347, an average of 307 atk added to each shot. So it will add about 353 damage, 176.5 for pvp assuming you have ALL of those skills up. Which you probably won't as is. Plus, for pvp I never run strong shots as dodging, aiming, and beastial fury make a much much bigger impact then.

Edit: Kensh beat me to it lol

Also..

Bow of Blessing only affects BOW damage..

THe rest affect your Physical Attack...

thus..

giving you an even lower number than even you posted.

The only +damage buff/stone/chant that even changes my skill damage is using Enhance stones on my bow.. Everything else is either bugged.. or wasn't designed to work while using a bow.. I dunno.. bad programming on NCsofts part.

We can theorycraft this all day.. just go out and test it and you will see that they don't even work.. use a shot like Swift Shot for your test.. and use a same lvl mob Elite like the 40 Assassins in Leph citadel.. test it for hours.. using your buffs etc.. and record your data.. Your gonna laugh when you see there is no difference.. and none of those buffs even work.

Bestial Fury though.. most of its power is in the Attack speed increase.. so regardless it's great .