Aion's Downfall: Too much RNG, Simplicity, and Broken?

[Hellifant]

What a ******** thread. I agree with some points such as the interrupt from monsters in pve , but all the other stuff you mentioned make AION , AION and not World of nyerking Warcraft. Who ever played Lineage2 knows how Ncsoft make their mmos. Thats their way , if you dont like it you should play WoW, seriously.

[Lawlyss]

Originally Posted by Hellifant

What a ******** thread. I agree with some points such as the interrupt from monsters in pve , but all the other stuff you mentioned make AION , AION and not World of nyerking Warcraft. Who ever played Lineage2 knows how Ncsoft make their mmos. Thats their way , if you dont like it you should play WoW, seriously.

You know, when I first started getting into these forums I found it very harsh when someone would say "Go back to WoW" or some version of this. I mean, you need to have a bit of critisizm to make progress, right?

Honestly though after hearing "Wow has this and it works better." "This is too hard, it should be like this: (site a wow feature)" It drives me INSANE. Granted, I've never played WoW, but if it's so great, why did they leave? Why knock another game?

What is with this huge call to dumb down a fun and challenging game???? Good example: My son had a friend over a while back. Little guy was kinda snotty but whatever, I'm patient. Made them some lunch and the kid says "MY mom made me mac n cheese with hot dogs for lunch, I want that" I say to the kid, "Well YOUR mom didn't make your lunch today, if you don't like what I made I'll have her come pick you up and you can go home and eat."

The kid ate his lunch and actually liked it once he tried it. But then again kids are so much more flexible.

[Hyped]

I had pie for lunch today!

[RandomTerribad]

Originally Posted by Lawlyss

You know, when I first started getting into these forums I found it very harsh when someone would say "Go back to WoW" or some version of this. I mean, you need to have a bit of critisizm to make progress, right?

Honestly though after hearing "Wow has this and it works better." "This is too hard, it should be like this: (site a wow feature)" It drives me INSANE. Granted, I've never played WoW, but if it's so great, why did they leave? Why knock another game?

What is with this huge call to dumb down a fun and challenging game???? Good example: My son had a friend over a while back. Little guy was kinda snotty but whatever, I'm patient. Made them some lunch and the kid says "MY mom made me mac n cheese with hot dogs for lunch, I want that" I say to the kid, "Well YOUR mom didn't make your lunch today, if you don't like what I made I'll have her come pick you up and you can go home and eat."

The kid ate his lunch and actually liked it once he tried it. But then again kids are so much more flexible.

Some features from WoW are actually good and make gameplay less tedious without taking away 'challenge', some features are utterly terrible (like the introduction of resilience in BC) and many are copied from other games. Aion currently already has lots of features present in WoW and other mmo's. But there's two main types of people suggesting WoW features; the 'WoW fanboys' who want to make the game inherently easy within the mechanics for PvP/PvE, and then the ones who want to make Aion more customizable and interactive.

Ofcourse, there's tons 'in between' or 'a mix' of those categories and you'll never find two people with the exact same opinions on what would be the line between 'easier' and 'better'. But some people would outright reject something only because it was in WoW; which is reacting emotionally, rather than logically. Then again, as for your particular post you probably wouldn't know which features are good and which are crappy without any experience in that game. If it actually came down to a choice between "completely WoWify Aion", or "do not absolutely ever touch Aion from its current state no matter what", I would choose to keep Aion in its current state. That's just thinking one-dimensionally though, so it was an extreme example. WoW keeps going downhill more and more by catering to casuals so much, I call Blizzard "The Casual Farmers" nowadays.

But technically, RNG itself is a huge flaw in every MMO or number-based game, at least when it comes to crits and procs with % chance; I as a competitive gamer never really liked them. There are so many possible better alternatives, but chance 'sells'; many people in general like the 'unexpected' or 'random' aspects of those mechanics, it's a psychological thing used for marketing pretty much anything. And MMO's are made to appeal to the masses, not to the hardcore gamers. They often attempt try a mix between the two (and often fail), not sure where Aion fits into this yet since I'd need extensive experience in end-game to form my opinion on it.

[Lawlyss]

Originally Posted by RandomTerribad

Some features from WoW are actually good and make gameplay less tedious without taking away 'challenge', some features are utterly terrible (like the introduction of resilience in BC) and many are copied from other games. Aion currently already has lots of features present in WoW and other mmo's. But there's two main types of people suggesting WoW features; the 'WoW fanboys' who want to make the game inherently easy within the mechanics for PvP/PvE, and then the ones who want to make Aion more customizable and interactive.

Ofcourse, there's tons 'in between' or 'a mix' of those categories and you'll never find two people with the exact same opinions on what would be the line between 'easier' and 'better'. But some people would outright reject something only because it was in WoW; which is reacting emotionally, rather than logically. Then again, as for your particular post you probably wouldn't know which features are good and which are crappy without any experience in that game. If it actually came down to a choice between "completely WoWify Aion", or "do not absolutely ever touch Aion from its current state no matter what", I would choose to keep Aion in its current state. That's just thinking one-dimensionally though, so it was an extreme example. WoW keeps going downhill more and more by catering to casuals so much, I call Blizzard "The Casual Farmers" nowadays.

But technically, RNG itself is a huge flaw in every MMO or number-based game, at least when it comes to crits and procs with % chance; I as a competitive gamer never really liked them. There are so many possible better alternatives, but chance 'sells'; many people in general like the 'unexpected' or 'random' aspects of those mechanics, it's a psychological thing used for marketing pretty much anything. And MMO's are made to appeal to the masses, not to the hardcore gamers. They often attempt try a mix between the two (and often fail), not sure where Aion fits into this yet since I'd need extensive experience in end-game to form my opinion on it.

this is a fair enough statement. I did use a bit of generalization, but your right nothing is ever black and white. Though I may not agree with some of the opinions overall, your right. It's a matter of taste, past and future experiance, adaptability.

I guess my overall belief is if I don't like a game, I just won't play it. There are others out there who may like it just the way it is and instead of calling for a change I'd ask for objective opinions and advice that I may not have thought of. There's just not one way of doing something, and if there's a game out there with machanics you don't like there will be others that do and everyones happy. One game will never cater to everyones prefrences.

[Hawkster]

The reason there are so many references to WOW is simply that there are terrifying similarities between AION and WOW in game play and mechanics. I jumped on the AION bandwagon years ago, and as soon as the pre-order was available, I purchased my copy and ran home posthaste to play the beta. I am sad to say, disappointed. I have read so many threads that have replies such as well, you're talking lvl 1-20, or this is beta....1.5 is coming etc. stop comparing AION to WOW...and so on. Folks this game is in full production release in other countries. So, I am sure that the beta here is mainly to work out the language translation issues. The majority of the peeps playing beta , I would daresay, are WOW players looking for a place to play other than WOW. WOW has ruined MMORPG's imho and for the most part, it is the gamers and not the game.. Flame on

[Sinkro]

Originally Posted by Hawkster

The reason there are so many references to WOW is simply that there are terrifying similarities between AION and WOW in game play and mechanics. I jumped on the AION bandwagon years ago, and as soon as the pre-order was available, I purchased my copy and ran home posthaste to play the beta. I am sad to say, disappointed. I have read so many threads that have replies such as well, you're talking lvl 1-20, or this is beta....1.5 is coming etc. stop comparing AION to WOW...and so on. Folks this game is in full production release in other countries. So, I am sure that the beta here is mainly to work out the language translation issues. The majority of the peeps playing beta , I would daresay, are WOW players looking for a place to play other than WOW. WOW has ruined MMORPG's imho and for the most part, it is the gamers and not the game.. Flame on

Or maybe the reason why there are so many references to WoW is that the vast majority of MMO players today first started playing MMORPG's with WoW. People naturally compare subsequent things to the first thing they have ever enjoyed. And I don't see how Aion and WoW are similar, of course they are similar in the sense that they're MMORPG's. Every MMORPG uses the same formula, but attributing Aion to be like WoW is stupid.

Like I always say, WoW has dumbed down the MMO genre.

[Cervani]

I got to the point where you started comparing AION to Failcraft, then I stopped reading. Though I did read the PVP part. The fact you're comparing ANYTHING to WORLD OF WARCRAFT pvp (arenas? are you serious?) makes you functionally retarded.

WoW is not the end all, be all of MMOs. It's large, yes, because it pulls in incredibly casual people who play maybe a couple hours every week. The game is continuously dumbed down to make it even MORE accessible to housewives and younger kids. Please stop doing comparisons, especially when you compare them to the already bad models of world of warcraft (ESPECIALLY their pvp).

[Ebs]

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[Kiroshou]

I like how he keeps saying "WoW EVENTUALLY FIXED THIS OR THAT BY DOING ______", "WoW HAS IT TO WHERE..."

First of all, you're talking about a brand new nyerking game. Not even that, but a game that ISN'T EVEN RELEASED YET in the NA/EU, and still you judge the hell out of it. It's funny because, this new game is being beaten into the ground because you're so WoW-blind you don't even pay attention to the fact that the reason your post isn't good at all is because it's all "what WoW used to have..." "WoW changed this...", wow so they didn't have that all fixed from the getgo? What a **** game, right?

[mattpkp]

The RNG in this game will 100% kill it competitively. There will be no competitive gaming in this game period. It would be impossible. Now people can still have fun sieging keeps ETC and doing things with the legion. Its just a diff type of game I suppose.

[Xorastra]

*sigh* Seriously ANOTHER comparison to WoW? Really? Is it so hard for people to get off the nyerking crack pipe long enough to realize you are trashing the game not on points that it's broken, just points that it differs from WoW. You do realize this puts some unpredictability into the game so it's actually based somewhat on skill, not that even a retard behind the keyboard will ALWAYS win because of their class. Random means it's not going to swing one person's way guaranteed just because their class is broken. This is what us non WoW QQ ranters call fun. If you are going to trash Aion, do it on something that is actually broken not, 'I can't always win with this repeated move!'

[Makkah]

I don't get why people say WoW sucks, yeah in every aspect....just seriously, that's such a fanboy comment.

[mattpkp]

Originally Posted by Xorastra

*sigh* Seriously ANOTHER comparison to WoW? Really? Is it so hard for people to get off the nyerking crack pipe long enough to realize you are trashing the game not on points that it's broken, just points that it differs from WoW. You do realize this puts some unpredictability into the game so it's actually based somewhat on skill, not that even a retard behind the keyboard will ALWAYS win because of their class. Random means it's not going to swing one person's way guaranteed just because their class is broken. This is what us non WoW QQ ranters call fun. If you are going to trash Aion, do it on something that is actually broken not, 'I can't always win with this repeated move!'

I hate wow.

RNG is massive fail. I will trash Aion on RNG all day.

[Sixotanaka]

I do agree the RNG thing is ********, but the stark differences from WoW listed are the reason I'm PLAYING Aion, I don't want to play WoW for another four, almost five, years.