Aion 1.5.1 Patch notes, part 2!

[Johndoe]

Originally Posted by Quagmyer

Hyped for the past 2 or 3 days about this and then you spew this junk out?

Thanks for finalizing my canclation plans.

NCFail.

Your canclation plans eh? Might be for the best judging by your made up words.

Originally Posted by Blackmyst

No fixes for the horrid abyss rvr.Still keeeping my cancellation thats happening next week.

The game has been out two months. Get a grip idiot.

[Abedeus]

Originally Posted by Johndoe

The game has been out two months. Get a grip idiot.

Fun sport, boys and girls - ignoring a year of Korean gameplay and few months of EU/NA CB and OB.

[Avalon1K]

Fail...I'm pretty much gone anyways.

[JamiJosh12]

Originally Posted by Knite

Hang on, take a step back people and lets have a look at everything.

First of all, as said in the interview done with Liv, the crysystem.dll fix is being worked on.



Secondly, SM pets aren't even live in Korea yet, so don't expect to see anything about them in Western patch notes until then.

Thirdly, everyone has their own idea of what the gamebreaking bugs in the game are, and no they can't all be fixed in one patch.

This is a correction patch, not a major update. You guys are expecting too much out of it.

Let's look at the big things that HAVE been addressed:

-Elites will now trail right so people can't exploit them anymore.
-Drop rates off regular bosses in instances is being increased.
-Drop rate from the final bosses in the Instanced Dungeons have been Greatly increased.
-No more soloing slow Dark Poeta bosses.
-Speed on some sets has been moved to the boots instead of a set bonus, so Steel Rake armor is actually worth getting.
-You can now earn medals for successful fortress defense
-Captcha system to prevent Bot aether gathering
-Increased EXP, items, kinah, quest item drop rate, and chance of getting Contribution Decorations for some quests
-Lower group XP penalty
-Fewer Stigma shards to equip Stigmas

Just to name a few of the big highlights. For only being a month after release here, these are excellent fixes.





People complain about bots, then complain about the methods employed to stop them. Let's see someone program a bot to input a captcha.

I know everyone wants to see this game improve and succeed, but you have to realize that not every issue that is brought to their attention is an easy fix. 1.5.1 has been in development for at least a few weeks now and so new issues likely haven't even made it to Korean test servers yet. Pressing issues like Crysystem are being worked on but likely don't have a fast and easy fix.

I guess I'm just trying to be the voice of reason here. These are a lot of updates, some of them are great, and there's still a lot to fix, but we can't expect everything in one patch.

Keep posting about your most pressing issues- They ARE being read and anything I notice is getting a lot of worry/hype/buzz, I make sure to bring up with the Community Team so it gains visibility.

It's going to take some work and it's not going to happen over night, but the core issues are being addressed and there will be fixes for them but you have to follow the steps; Information gathering, analysis, planning, development, testing, release.

Just please make sure that if you complain about something, to explain why you are. Simple saying this patch sucks doesn't help anyone. State your issues, state ideas, and lets work together to get things fixed.


And one last note about bots:

To be honest I completely agree with you. Yes the did NOT fix some of the major isues with the game. But these fixes do take time. and some of the things that they have given us in this patch are extreamly helpfull as now i wont have to go into Fire Temple 20 times to see a single gold drop. And has Knight said this is NOT a major patch. I really don't see why you guys are complaning so much. Some of the things in this patch are very promising and will make gameplay allot more fun for me.

One thing that has nyerked me off though.

They desided to do this patch during the day and not when everybody is sleeping. And ontop of that they said it would only take 4hrs and its been 9hrs now! Not to good on that pary NCsoft.

But otherwise i think your doing good :thumbsup: Please get rid of all the gold bots though

[shoebox22]

Wow - responders to this forum are shockingly so whiny! Whoever the "community" is that is requesting changes that weren't addressed are probably changes to make this game easier. Last thing we need is another "fixed" MMO to accomodate complainers that want to play games that are not challenging. The game has only been out for 2 months - and we're already at end game content. I REALLY home NCSoft doesn't give in to the NA demands of making the game more simple. Same reason I left WoW...

[Johndoe]

Did not see that post, agreed with Knite 100%.

Game has been out in US for two months. Abedeus. Big difference, especially with what...4 patches they have done since release?

[decesare]

Originally Posted by dkdude

What about the crysys.dll crashes that huge amounts of your playerbase is having?

^^this.

for a game that was a remarkably smooth release i feel many people probably are completely unaware that many people still crash not only regularly but often. the impact of soulhealing costs is monumental for us along with taking a significant hit to fun factor. not that games should be taken "seriously" but i do enjoy this hobby very much and the constant crashing just makes it hard to really feel good about the game.

[Rajster]

Damn crybabies. Sheesh.

[T0by]

Originally Posted by Hwin

People complain about bots, then complain about the methods employed to stop them. Let's see someone program a bot to input a captcha.


Gotcha, CAPTCHA! Gmail bot detector system cracked - Ars Technica

This site speaks of a bot that was used to break Captcha back in 2008. There are some others but they are links to botting sites and arent allowed here.

Contrary to popular belief, bots for games often aren't shining beacons of awesome examples of top notch programming.
Implementing captcha recognition into a dodgy bot program would be very difficult. All of the free to use bots are dodgy side projects that don't work very well.
The pay bots are okay, but still pretty dodgy. They do work, but they're not technologically advanced by any means.
I'm stating here, that bots won't bypass the captcha codes. And if they do, it's still going to stop alot of the smaller botters not affiliated with large bot business in china from gathering.

The captcha was only cracked in 2008, for one service, by people that couldn't care less about aion.

The implementation of captcha recognition that can accurately and consistently bypass the captcha would be a technological feat that surpases the intelligence and design of all aion bot programs currently around.

This is why it's not going to be broken easily, if at all.

[funkyduggout]

Originally Posted by Aneu

I'm absolutely shocked by how ungrateful us westerners have gotten, and how manners seem to have totally gone out the window in this thread.

NCSoft have a road map that they are sticking to, which in business is something you need to do. They deviate to fix major problems but the only major problem Aion really has is the memory leak which they are working on. Fixing this issue is obviously not a minor thing and probably involves going through numerous amounts of code to make sure nothing else is borked in the process.

The 1.5.1 is an INCREMENTAL patch, meaning its a patch to address issues in content currently in the game, not to add more content or the like. 1.6 will be the next Expansive patch which im sure will add more content to the game, it seems people are very unaware of this fact.

To put it bluntly. Which is something Knite probably wanted to say. Stop being a bunch of ungrateful childish idiots who expect everything to be fixed yesterday. The world does not work like this, the sooner you get to grips with that, the happier your lives will be.

~Aneu

Well said, but remember most of the people playing this game probably don't understand version numbering schemes, let alone software development lifecycles. They might be understaffed for all we know and what they pushed out is all they could QA before the release date that they had slated in their project plan. Just play the game and have fun with it and if you run into bugs/oddities, report them *in detail*. Don't submit bug reports that are vague, explain it the best you can on how to possible reproduce the issue, system specs, anything that could possibly help. Learn to troubleshoot on your side and if you do find some weird connection (i.e. version of some software driver/.Net/directx.... whatever is different on your computer vs your friends who isn't having the problem), report that to them as well as it may infact reveal some other underlying issue. That's all you could do, short of becoming a developer. It's a community effort as well.

[KoZmo]

Originally Posted by Inarshia

Clearly moronic.
Of course I have a right to "quit". It doesn't mean I'll get my money back.

You were the one complaining about all the people nyerking. I replied and said have a right to. Considering you had so much time to write a wall of text, I applaud you on your efforts.

This band aid isn't buying NCsoft any time, darling. It's wasting their time, and ours.

I think I'm in love

[shindismal]

It makes me feel better that I have my WoW account active again - Every day I see developers post to the community, large balance issue's being solved, much more new and attractive content being worked on and shared.... Its like i'm paying 15 bucks a month to a company that actually cares.

I read these patch notes and they just made me laugh.

What a terrible attempt at patching a game...way to dodge main issue's and the majority of the complaints of your customers.

I play both WoW and Aion - you can guess which one I prefer. though the saying goes

stick with it, Aion will get better.

you can only say that so many times i'm afraid. But whatever. /flails his templar around

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To put it bluntly. Which is something Knite probably wanted to say. Stop being a bunch of ungrateful childish idiots who expect everything to be fixed yesterday. The world does not work like this, the sooner you get to grips with that, the happier your lives will be.

~Aneu

I'm sorry but when any MMO comes out and clearly chooses the business approach of a pretty picture on the outside but trash on the inside they don't get much respect from me. They are competing in a realm that is now ruled by another company(blizzard) and everything that they (ncsoft) does is GOING to be scrutinized because they decided not to take more time and make the pretty picture ALSO be JUST AS GOOD if not BETTER than the BEST MMO ON THE NYERKING MARKET.

but again... just be patient and it'll get better.
everyone has the right to complain - if you don't want to be in a situation where you are constantly scrutinized then you need to deal with the issue's that are causing the negativity to come to your doorstep. To ignore this is to accept that your trash.
NCsoft isn't taking steps to calm their player base of annoying obnoxious children and old fashioned mmo geezers who are for or against the way the game is done. We the players can all agree that Having more than one developer response a day would be a dramatic improvement to the community and its outlook. Communication is Key.

Let me state again - this works universally here
If Ncsoft doesn't want to be looked at like a trash company that makes trash games they need to confront the masses and admit the way they do biz or they need to confront the problem and solve it.

Lets take a look at what previous NCSOFT employee's have to say about their own company, shall we? Then lets find out if you can piece together what the main problem is.

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NCsoft Product Manager in Brighton, England (United Kingdom): (Past Employee - 2008)
“Not so much of a has-been, more a never-was.”
Pros

Massively multiplayer online games are arguably the biggest growth sector in gaming - and it's all that NCsoft does. If you want to be in the field, it should in theory be a good place to start.

Benefits in the European office are generally good, with bonuses and payrises (although look out in 2009, considering the redundancies in September 2008). Atmosphere is generally good, although management is not brave enough to talk openly about strategy... mostly because they don't have any.

Work-life balance is good, and generally people are respected for the work they do - unless you work in some departments, like Customer Service, but then they've all been put of work as well.

Cons

The company always seemed rudderless and without any sort of long-term strategy - indeed it was admitted time and again that this was the case. It's been previously stated that NCsoft wants to be an 'entertainment company' but beyond that, little detail was given on exactly how this was going to be achieved or indeed what it even meant.

This has led to a muddled development strategy that supposedly is strongest when focusing on 'AAA games', despite the fact that the last two 'AAA games' both failed (Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa). This seems to be an all-or-nothing play, and when the biggest force in the MMO field is already sitting on the biggest pile of cash, seems doomed to fail. Ever heard of 'disruptive' business strategies, NCsoft?

Because of the redundancies, there is no now development work at all done in the European office, so don't even bother considering it from that angle. What is left is a reduced publishing operation that will take orders from the US office, and this has been stated publicly.
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NCsoft Software Engineer in Austin, TX: (Past Employee - 2008)
“This company has peaked, and is on its way down.”
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Pros

It's a great start in the game industry, and if they happen to make a game you love, it could be worth it to work there.

Cons

Company direction changes with the wind, and directives from above are rarely followed by the support (budget, manpower, etc.) to actually follow them.'

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NCsoft Developer in Austin, TX: (Past Employee - 2008)
“Almost like a real job!”
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Pros

If you're mediocre and are looking for a place to just dog it, maybe punch the clock? This is the place for you. Also, if you speak Korean you can write your own check.

It is a good place to be in QA or CS, though. Those departments are pretty solid.

25 cent sodas and snacks.

Cons

Hmm, let's see. Stability is poor, absolutely no coordination between Korean management and US management, weak strategic vision, poor portfolio, weak creative development, terrible marketing, etc.**********
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NCsoft Software Engineer in Austin, TX: (Current Employee)
“Good people and teams, confusing corporate direction”
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Pros

Development teams are given a fair amount of autonomy to create the game they want to make.

The company was willing to take risks on some technologies and ideas.

They are the leading MMO developer in the world with many titles under their belt, they have the experience to create some fairly polished MMOs and to support them.

Cons

Senior management and corporate direction comes down without any feedback from the development teams whose fates are being decided.

Coordination amongst various development teams and knowledge sharing is not practiced, reinventing the wheel happens alot.

The lack of follow through on some project ideas and letting projects die creates frustrated employees.


They need to communicate better and LISTEN
I admit i have this problem too having ADD experiences often but this is the issue-
the major part of communication that most humans have a problem with is 'listening'.

I believe if NCSOFT spent as much time as they do listening to their community and what they want as they do with developing new content and fixing things the community on a whole will be much more satisfied.
What if NCSOFT told their customers what their issue's are that they are fixing? Its risky, but I think dedicated customers who love the game will understand that hard issue's come up that need priority over class adjustments. I think a lot of the drama is some of us players see giant faults and instead of Ncsoft making some kind of statement on it they are silent and the players want recognition and continue to nerd rage.

-sigh-

neeeeeeeeeeeed more communication.
badly.

[Emposter]

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