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Old 08-24-2009, 05:48 PM   #781 (permalink)
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Those are integrated graphics and won't work well even on low settings.
so what does that mean?

i know next to nothing bout these things.

i'm a console gamer at heart so i'm lost here

can i like upgrade my laptop for aion or am i screwed and just need to wait till i can get a job and get a good desktop.

sorry for sounding like a noob. lol

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Old 08-24-2009, 06:13 PM   #782 (permalink)
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Would a NVIDIA GeForce GT 130M graphics work? I'm gunna be running it on my laptop.

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so what does that mean?

i know next to nothing bout these things.

i'm a console gamer at heart so i'm lost here

can i like upgrade my laptop for aion or am i screwed and just need to wait till i can get a job and get a good desktop.

sorry for sounding like a noob. lol
You could try playing the open beta and see how it runs for you, but I seriously doubt you'll be able to play it at an enjoyable rate. I suggest you save up and get a desktop, but like I said. Try the open beta and see how it runs.
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You could try playing the open beta and see how it runs for you, but I seriously doubt you'll be able to play it at an enjoyable rate. I suggest you save up and get a desktop, but like I said. Try the open beta and see how it runs.
i thought all the betas where over now.

if not where can i find them.

a google serch did not help me at all
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Would a NVIDIA GeForce GT 130M graphics work? I'm gunna be running it on my laptop.
Should be plenty for Aion just be sure you have a decent CPU as well. Something in the 2.0 GHz if it's Duo Core, or if it's the Single Core it probably has to be roughly around 2.8Ghz (+- 0.2-0.3) for smooth game play.

Don't read what the boxes says it always lies from what I experienced, if you want somewhat of an enjoyable gaming environment it has to be 1.25% X the Recommended spec. And 2 - 3 X the requirement for max setting game play.

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I dont really know much about computers, however my old laptop died, and I need one for my graduate studies (or else I would purchase a desktop!)


I am currently looking into buying asus as i have heard lots of good things about them. the specs of The laptop i am planning on getting are:

Screen
15.4 Inches

Display Type
WXGA widescreen with 1366 x 768 resolution


Processor
Intel? Core?2 Duo Mobile

Processor Speed
2.0GHz

System Bus
1066MHz

System Memory (RAM)
4GB (ddr2)

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M

Video Memory
1GB DDR3



Will this be able to run aion fine? and at what settings?


for an extra 150 dollars, i could get the exact same laptop with 2.53 ghz version of the same processor, is that REALLY worth it (money is really tight)
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Ordering the laptop at the end of the month and was wondering if I could run Aion at medium or high settings with this.

Connectivity: Broadband Internet connection
DirectX: 10. (I believe)
Hard Drive space: 320GB (5400RPM)
Operating System: Windows Vista 64 Bit
Processor: Pentium Dual Core (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/1MB cache)
RAM: 4 GB RAM
Video Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600

Idk if the brand matters but it’s a Dell Inspiron 15. I’m planning on buying it for school/gaming.
I searched the forums (a lil bit) but if there is a better video card in the $100-200 range for laptops plz post a link or just tell me the name. I’m guessing by the time Aion is released the recommended prolly won’t be that.

If I left out any info just let me know.
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Sorry I haven't been able to reply earlier been busy at work. And it is an FullHD screen and it's a laptop screen to top it off(Which generation were you born in?). It's an Sony upgrade if you buy it from SonyStyle.com check it out only like $100 for an 1080p laptop how sweet is that. And I'm pretty sure it's an 16:9 ratio cause it's kind of aimed towards the Blu-Ray section cause I'm using it to type this reply hence no black bars on the top or bottom since it's full screen. But hey maybe your right it's not like I used a measuring tape I just guessed it.

FYI this is exactly what it says on the website:
Optional 16.4" widescreen XBRITE-FullHD? display (1920x1080 resolution)


As for you second Anti Virus basically all you need is an low resource hog structure. I use ESET heard of it? I'm sure you have. You mention corrupted registry's common now if you were experienced enough you would be able to manually fix minor problems and if major ones occur a little research wouldn't hurt would it?

You mentioned the human eye can't detect frames over 60-70 you are dead wrong in this fact, regardless you will still notice slight changes through frame rate changes. The frames if you have a trained eye you would notice the jumps in frames from say 80-40 all of a sudden you would definitely notice that, it's call a spike of somewhat. With the GTX 275 it's more geared towards if you go into a populated zone and your frame rates just crashes down to the low 30s - 50s with a decent card, it would not drop but keep an constant fixed frame rate. Understand? I'm not going to insult your knowledge by going even more in depth since you seem like you know somewhat what the hell your talking bout.

You seem to advertise ATi cards are you an ATi fanboy? (Just Curious), Cause I'm an Nvidia fanboy had bad experience with ATi.

As for the CPU/HDD this computer was meant for more then just Aion if you haven't already figured it out.

Oh and one last thing when I custom built this VGN-FW390 CTO series it only had one GPU option so the 3650 was the only thing I could have with it. At the time I had my eyes set for this laptop so I didn't think it really mattered. But hey here it is biting me in the rear. I didn't know 3870 was only $10?

This computer I'm building was something I planned a long time ago using Aion is just one of my excuses for me to build this.

I'm sorry but was this aimed towards me? "So how's this for a First post ??" I sense a little hostility LOL

Again sorry for the late reply you must think I ran and cried in my room heh?

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My bad I had to add this in yes it's true that most games depend on the GPU but with for Aion par say it's designs are based off of the Muti-Core theory. What does this mean most of you would say? It means the game will run smoother if say, you have 2 computers with the same spec, BUT one has a Muti-Core CPU one is definitely going to run smoother then the other. Meaning the more cores you have "FOR" Aion is better but yeah what ever don't take my word for it I'm not an noisy guy, but I'm willing to help. Programmers around trying to switch over to the new Muti-Cores but progressing slowly, hence you won't notice any big difference in performance between an Quad-Core from an Duo-Core in some programs. I say just give it a few years since most developers are already adapting to the new faster and more efficient way.

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If I don't answer to this right away it means I'm at work, sorry I don't troll around the forums all day. >.O
Thats not a native resolution, and that resolution on anything but a 23" would look terrible. You see Native resolution is the perfect resolution for a screensize. If your resolution is turned up above this then the pixels on the screen would have to be made smaller. This is possible but like I said It wouldn't look very well, for one it would cut off a part of your screen(if your pixels didn't change size), such is why my 21" LCD widescreen cannot use 1600x1200 but I can display 1650x1080, if I tried to use 1600x1200 alot of the screen is cut off cause thats a non-widescreen resolution that is actually much larger for a 21" LCD.

Maybe I'm wrong though, I rarely use 16:9 monitors, and even if I did I wouldn't expect such a small monitor to do the job of a monitor a good 6-8 inches larger would normally do.

The thing about repairing Windows Systems (I'm a Linux Fanboy, sorry I just love the freedom you get with Linux.) is that sometimes the manual fixes cost the shop or the person more time and effort then they can afford. In the shop they could do hundreds of re-installs before they could do one manual fix just because Windows Systems are so hard to repair, such is not the case in linux where the information is given freely. Yes I manually take the time to correct lots of errors on my family members systems but I do that cause I want to, if it came down to making money I would just do re-installs cause it is cheaper and would make me more money faster, thats just how computer technicians work.

I use both Nvidia and ATI, right now the majority of my builds are ATI though just beacuse I jumped on a good deal I got for a batch of HD4850's($50 buck a pop I couldn't refuse for a current generation Video card. So far I've been VERY pleased with this upgrade on all my systems. Yeah the prices for the 38xx series are pretty close now, I was really happy when I got my 4850's though, I made crysis cry when it tried to slow me down xD So yeah *Happy Customer*


You took my bit about the human eye and changed what I said. I said that most Humans can see a maximum of 60 to 70 frames per second. Not going from 60 to 70 the actuall frame rates. Lets use an expample. When you look at a screen that is showing 100FPS, your eye can only transmit the first 70FPS at the most the last thirty are lost and you have moved onto the next second. I wasn't saying movi9ng from one FPS to the other I was stating that there is no need for more then 60 frames per second. Infact LCD's have a refresh rate of 60Hrz meaning ever second they refresh 60 times, if you V-sync to 60FPS not only does it make your FPS constant but it also keeps you from splitting the screen. Splitting the screen meaning you see one frame on the top half and a second frame on the bottom half when you go over 60FPS. It's not noticble until you turn in game and you actually see the split. You should try it some time and see what I mean, its quiet ugly and makes anythiong more then 60FPS unnecessary.

And that post wasn't pointed at you but I wanted you to read and understand my points aswell as Lowels, both of us made valid points and were arguing two different things that we finally figured out haha. Oh and that literally was my first post on this forum xD no hostility intended, I'm just a little aggressive at times.

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I dont really know much about computers, however my old laptop died, and I need one for my graduate studies (or else I would purchase a desktop!)


I am currently looking into buying asus as i have heard lots of good things about them. the specs of The laptop i am planning on getting are:

Screen
15.4 Inches

Display Type
WXGA widescreen with 1366 x 768 resolution


Processor
Intel? Core?2 Duo Mobile

Processor Speed
2.0GHz

System Bus
1066MHz

System Memory (RAM)
4GB (ddr2)

Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260M

Video Memory
1GB DDR3



Will this be able to run aion fine? and at what settings?


for an extra 150 dollars, i could get the exact same laptop with 2.53 ghz version of the same processor, is that REALLY worth it (money is really tight)
Can you drop that graphics card down to a 512 Memory version or maybe a lower model? Cause your CPU is really going to bottleneck such a nice graphics card and really the rest of the system.


If I were you I would try to even things out, and the 1gb memory Video cards are actually clocked lower. Meaning they are not as good unless you have 30" display. If you have a 30" display(which you don't) then without the 1gb the card would really be held back and almost unusable.

And please tell me a price range you are looking for cause I bet I could do better then that laptop.

I have a feeling this is the laptop you were looking at with the higher clock.
I think this would be a better purchase, plus Viao's have a nice sturdy build, overall they make some of the nicest laptops you can buy that one being a steal.
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Ordering the laptop at the end of the month and was wondering if I could run Aion at medium or high settings with this.

Connectivity: Broadband Internet connection
DirectX: 10. (I believe)
Hard Drive space: 320GB (5400RPM)
Operating System: Windows Vista 64 Bit
Processor: Pentium Dual Core (2.0GHz/800Mhz FSB/1MB cache)
RAM: 4 GB RAM
Video Card: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600

Idk if the brand matters but it?s a Dell Inspiron 15. I?m planning on buying it for school/gaming.
I searched the forums (a lil bit) but if there is a better video card in the $100-200 range for laptops plz post a link or just tell me the name. I?m guessing by the time Aion is released the recommended prolly won?t be that.

If I left out any info just let me know.
Your graphic card is not the problem. It's not great, but its fine. Pentium D's clocked at any speed are notorious for running hot. Alot of people discourage buying them, the Core 2 duo were a huge step forward for Intel when they came out, and still to this day are great CPU's. But they came on the coat tail of the pentium D which was a massive failure.

If you like I'll see what I could get you in your CPU's socket but I cant promis anything cause I don't know if thats a propietary CPU. If you could give me a price range on how much you are spending on that Laptop I could look for one of better quality.

I have returned with this.
Asus scares alot of people because its not a well known brand among the mainstream but ask any system builder and they will have nothing but praise for possibly the best hardware maker in the world. Not only are their products excellent they are usually affordable, their laptops being a great example. BTW that will play Aion on
full settings and still be a good laptop for personal use!

Here is another,

And another, that one even if it is the best of the three is open box, be careful you wont always get everything in open boxes, you may not get the cord. . . Which could be a problem.

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9800GTX + Intel Dual Core CPU + 2GB RAM ... Not the best, hopefully its enough to run the game on fairly high graphics without any problems
Plenty.

I have 2g ram, Invedia GT go 7950 vid card and a duo core and not a problem. Little rubberbanding, tiny bit of lag, but I am on high settings.
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Thats not a native resolution, and that resolution on anything but a 23" would look terrible. You see Native resolution is the perfect resolution for a screensize. If your resolution is turned up above this then the pixels on the screen would have to be made smaller. This is possible but like I said It wouldn't look very well, for one it would cut off a part of your screen(if your pixels didn't change size), such is why my 21" LCD widescreen cannot use 1600x1200 but I can display 1650x1080, if I tried to use 1600x1200 alot of the screen is cut off cause thats a non-widescreen resolution that is actually much larger for a 21" LCD.
There you go spouting bull again, you can disable all resizing in your drivers, assuming the monitor supports it.
I can use 640x480 just fine, but it uses only a couple inches of my screen, lol.

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Maybe I'm wrong though, I rarely use 16:9 monitors, and even if I did I wouldn't expect such a small monitor to do the job of a monitor a good 6-8 inches larger would normally do.
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There you go spouting bull again, you can disable all resizing in your drivers, assuming the monitor supports it.
I can use 640x480 just fine, but it uses only a couple inches of my screen, lol.


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The thing about repairing Windows Systems (I'm a Linux Fanboy, sorry I just love the freedom you get with Linux.) is that sometimes the manual fixes cost the shop or the person more time and effort then they can afford. In the shop they could do hundreds of re-installs before they could do one manual fix just because Windows Systems are so hard to repair, such is not the case in linux where the information is given freely. Yes I manually take the time to correct lots of errors on my family members systems but I do that cause I want to, if it came down to making money I would just do re-installs cause it is cheaper and would make me more money faster, thats just how computer technicians work.

I use both Nvidia and ATI, right now the majority of my builds are ATI though just beacuse I jumped on a good deal I got for a batch of HD4850's($50 buck a pop I couldn't refuse for a current generation Video card. So far I've been VERY pleased with this upgrade on all my systems. Yeah the prices for the 38xx series are pretty close now, I was really happy when I got my 4850's though, I made crysis cry when it tried to slow me down xD So yeah *Happy Customer*


You took my bit about the human eye and changed what I said. I said that most Humans can see a maximum of 60 to 70 frames per second. Not going from 60 to 70 the actuall frame rates. Lets use an expample. When you look at a screen that is showing 100FPS, your eye can only transmit the first 70FPS at the most the last thirty are lost and you have moved onto the next second. I wasn't saying movi9ng from one FPS to the other I was stating that there is no need for more then 60 frames per second. Infact LCD's have a refresh rate of 60Hrz meaning ever second they refresh 60 times, if you V-sync to 60FPS not only does it make your FPS constant but it also keeps you from splitting the screen. Splitting the screen meaning you see one frame on the top half and a second frame on the bottom half when you go over 60FPS. It's not noticble until you turn in game and you actually see the split. You should try it some time and see what I mean, its quiet ugly and makes anythiong more then 60FPS unnecessary.

And that post wasn't pointed at you but I wanted you to read and understand my points aswell as Lowels, both of us made valid points and were arguing two different things that we finally figured out haha. Oh and that literally was my first post on this forum xD no hostility intended, I'm just a little aggressive at times.

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Can you drop that graphics card down to a 512 Memory version or maybe a lower model? Cause your CPU is really going to bottleneck such a nice graphics card and really the rest of the system.


If I were you I would try to even things out, and the 1gb memory Video cards are actually clocked lower. Meaning they are not as good unless you have 30" display. If you have a 30" display(which you don't) then without the 1gb the card would really be held back and almost unusable.

You being a Linux fanboy I can understand why you would say Vista is hard to fix but in fact it's not, it's just really what you are use to. Someone who's be doing something for longer then the other is bound to be better. And yes a re-install would be an easier fix but the problem is if it's even major. More then half of the time it's faster to just correct the problem then to redo the whole thing.

You said I twisted your words and turned it into something else. But from what I said was based off of what you said "unnecessary", but in fact it was necessary. I was just stating facts to why it was. You would too notice the difference if you've seen it

You only even out the specs only if you're on an budget otherwise if you were to upgrade components later on it would hinder you. Not all 1GB GPU's are clocked at lower speeds just depends which ones. And the memory in the GPU has so little to do with the actual screen size. The main reason they have different size memory GPU's is for better quality graphic. Take GTA IV for instance 512MB card would not be able to unleash the full potential of the game REGARDLESS of the screen size. All the extra memory really do enhance the texture to a certain degree with the X amount of memory. Hence the more the better but when you have to much it just doesn't get used. Which is the point in where having more is better. Again with the clock speed it varies on which card you get not all 1GB cards are slower. In I have a 2GB(1.7GBish) card is it's clocked higher then a 512MB card.

CPU bottleneck you had to bring that up from my experience it's kind of hard for the CPU to bottleneck if you have a decent amount of memory. Of course if you have a UBER slow CPU then I could understand and again but if you have a lot of memory such as RAM etc. you will be fine I've played Aion on an signle-core 1.8Ghz laptop.
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You being a Linux fanboy I can understand why you would say Vista is hard to fix but in fact it's not, it's just really what you are use to. Someone who's be doing something for longer then the other is bound to be better. And yes a re-install would be an easier fix but the problem is if it's even major. More then half of the time it's faster to just correct the problem then to redo the whole thing.

You said I twisted your words and turned it into something else. But from what I said was based off of what you said "unnecessary", but in fact it was necessary. I was just stating facts to why it was. You would too notice the difference if you've seen it

You only even out the specs only if you're on an budget otherwise if you were to upgrade components later on it would hinder you. Not all 1GB GPU's are clocked at lower speeds just depends which ones. And the memory in the GPU has so little to do with the actual screen size. The main reason they have different size memory GPU's is for better quality graphic. Take GTA IV for instance 512MB card would not be able to unleash the full potential of the game REGARDLESS of the screen size. All the extra memory really do enhance the texture to a certain degree with the X amount of memory. Hence the more the better but when you have to much it just doesn't get used. Which is the point in where having more is better. Again with the clock speed it varies on which card you get not all 1GB cards are slower. In I have a 2GB(1.7GBish) card is it's clocked higher then a 512MB card.

CPU bottleneck you had to bring that up from my experience it's kind of hard for the CPU to bottleneck if you have a decent amount of memory. Of course if you have a UBER slow CPU then I could understand and again but if you have a lot of memory such as RAM etc. you will be fine I've played Aion on an signle-core 1.8Ghz laptop.
I work with both Linux and windows on a daily basis. I've got Windows XP SP3 and Ubuntu 8.10 installed on all of my systems. I've got Vista Ultimate and Vista Home on two others. I've been working on Windows ever since I got into computers a decade ago. I'm not trying to put you down, I was just trying to tell you how a real brick and mortar shop would address Major problems. Yeah some things could take 5 minutes. Somethings could take 4 people searching through manuals and 3 people brainstorming on what to do for 5 days straight. So sometimes when it comes to money your forced to re-install.


Your arguing this frame rate thing like I am talking about the difference from moving from 60 fps to 40 fps. The human eye can see fps lower then 60 or at the most 70, they can see 40 fps yes, but no one could see 100fps. If you look at 100fps you will only register somewhere between 60 and 70 fps. Still the fact remains, which you avoided, going passed 60fps is ascetically unpleasing on just about any game.(Exlcuding games like pinball or mindsweeper xD)

Crysis, which I use an example of a beautifully rendered game, looks no different going from a 512MB card to a 1gb Vram card. but going from a 20" monitor to a 30" monitor is why you need 1gb. It's all about resolution, memory size has nothing to do with rendering, your not rendering graphics in the VRAM your storing it yes, but just because a game is beautiful and another game is a big red screen its ugly just one big red screen. IF both the games are at the same resolution then they would both use the same amount of VRAM. It all comes down to the pixels, just cause you have Crysis rendered at 2,560x1,600 doesn't mean that your using more VRAM then the big red screen of 2,560x1,600. So like I said, you want to find the sweet spot, you want VRAM for your monitor and fast enough to respond. I've got 512mb of GDDR5 And I've got a family member who bought a 30" screen and I talked him into the 1gb cards after he complained about his system being sluggish in games.

Are you actually suggesting that RAM or VRAM does something other then store information? Its called Memory for a reason, its not called a processing unit. If you have more then you need then you can only handle more processes cause you will be able to store them in the background, but it wouldn't make the CPU stronger or faster, thats not how RAM works. The reason why I asked him that is on a system like the one he wanted I wanted to know if he could get a lesser graphics(less VRAM for a monitor thats 15" makes since to me) card for the higher clocked CPU. I did this cause if he could get 2.53ghz he could video encode and play the game at the same time cause each would use part of each core or one core each, cause 2.53ghz would be the sweet spot.

And your responding to me responding to other people again >,<
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