Average Crit Rate

[Cjb1978]

I just recently decided to craft some Adamantium swords, out of 19 tries I've only got 1 green and that did not proc to blue.

[.Eleven.]

Hi,

I have been lvling mostly Weaponsmithing and Armoursmithing.
With AS the procs have been on the better side of 50% for me, keeping well ahead of the required level to craft. However with WS it has been a hugely different story.
Currently AS 225 WS 221 I have crafted the armour sets to the maximum proc at every stage and currently in full Worthy Noble Durable Titanium Plate.
At every craft stage for weapons I have struggled to get the procs, crafting about 15 items to get the Noble proc of the MH sword only for it not to proc at the next stage into the blue. The Worthy Noble Titanium Sword took about 6 attempts to get the proc, each first stage on average 10 to 15 tries, thats in the region of 80+ crafts to get the blue item. I gave up on the Greatsword and made do with the green Worthy Titanium Greatsword (Templar).
Now I am at lvl 30 and trying to get the Worthy Noble Durable Titanium Sword but have not yet got the first stage to proc into a Noble so I can proc it into the blue sword. So far I have crafted 24 failed attempts resulting in the white Durable Titanium Sword. I am crafting 51 lvls above the required lvl to make the sword and never attempt a craft without 4000 DP. This is getting quite rediculous. Also in the past I had found that after several failed attempts leading to log off at night, I would log on the next day, fill up DP and get a proc first time, however this strategy is not proving successful with this particular item.


Edit up to 26 attempts at the first proc now with no luck. Rest assured that the actual live figure is gonna be more than what you can read in this post, but my main reason for edit is to say, surely something must have happened in the last maintenance as the drop of high grade items from gathering have also been severely nerfed, only just noticed the ratio change in my bag.


Edit 2. As I said above I gave up on the lvl 25 GS and had no intention of trying the lvl 30 GS with these results in mind, but I realy do want the MH lvl 30 blue to complete the set. However on my last trip to the broker (grinding mats has now become impossible at this rate) I thought I would check to see if anyone had put a Noble MH on, no luck but there was a lvl 30 Noble GS for 150k kn, normaly I wouldn't have bothered but in these circumstances I bought it. So now on 29 failed MH 1st stage procs and ofc the GS didn't proc to a blue but I now have the Worthy Durable Titanium GS which I never expected to get.

[Kaedan94]

When I have full DP, I see about 40% proc from W > G, and about 20-30% proc from G > B. Never made B > O

When I don't have DP, I see about 20-30% proc W > G, and about 20% proc from G > B. Again, never made B > O

This is with sample sizes of 20, which is the standard minimum in statistics.

Even though it doesn't prove it, it lends strong evidence to the fact that DP does indeed effect crafting.

[Aspecti]

No it doesn't. Craft 1000 of something with full DP and then craft 1000 of something with zero DP and you will get roughly 20% crit rate both ways as others have proven already.

A sample size of 20 is not a "standard minimum" in statistics, that's just a very low sample size which can easily produce misleading results as a single craft is 5% of the whole sample size. DP does nothing, get it through your thick skulls already.

[.Eleven.]

Aspecti, that realy is no way to speak to someone who is doing nothing but trying to help others, the poster knows that it is not a perfect number to draw statistics but a minimum that they can take some sort of direction from. It has been widely reported that 4000 DP does help but if you are correct that it does not then I thank you for the information, you did ofc do this 2 x 1000 crafts yourself then?

Anyway 37 crafts of a white item now with no proc to a green to enable me to go any further.


Edit 38 now and I realy can't go on, the kn is almost gone and this is either broken or the only way to make use of Weaponsmithing is to use the goldsellers, my god I could have bought this weapon from the broker last week for a tiny fraction of the cost is has incurred so far without a hint of success. Strange how there are no completed blue items of this type on the broker anymore too.

[Goldgenie]

Am I dreaming or hasn't NCSoft posted that the crafting mechanic has fook all to do with DP ? Don't walk under that ladder folks etc!

WP crafting (I'm stuck at 399 yes) is a pain - still have to make 10 *** weaps at 100 to crit - no-one said it was gonna be easy !

[.Eleven.]

I don't know Goldgenie has there been a post saying such? If there is I would like a link, not that I don't believe you but I am following what I have been told so far. As far as being easy, look at the figures in my post above, this isn't for leveling the skill, I got no problem there but to make a weapon that is worth anything or that I can equip that is better than the trash I can get out grinding, I realy do think there has beem either a dramatic change to the procs or that it is broken, at the stage I am at anyway.

[Kaedan94]

Thanks Eleven

And yes Aspecti, 20 is the "standard minimum" for statistics. I think perhaps you mis-understood. What I meant by that, is that it is standard practice in statistics to not use sample sizes smaller than 20. 20 is considered the minimum amount in which you can get a general idea of the trend of a statistic. As I said (and I'm using Statistic lingo here), it doesn't prove it, but it lends strong evidence to the fact that it does effect it.

And I ask you the same question as Eleven... you've done 2000 crafts and recorded the results to support your claim?

[RamzaBehoulve]

Originally Posted by Aspecti

A sample size of 20 is not a "standard minimum" in statistics

Actually, yes it is, you can't make a conclusion out of it, but you can start figuring out a trend which then put together with other experiments of size 20 gathered over weeks make up the high amount required to conclude.

[Aspecti]

How about you guys read a few more of these retarded DP myth threads? People HAVE done the crafts to prove that DP does nothing, they did it a year ago in Korea and later in China too. But noooo, you idiots read a false wiki article stating that DP increases HEALING and MAGIC and PHYSICAL crit rates in combat and also mentions it increases crafting crit rate and you actually believe it. Wtf?

[.Eleven.]

What is it with you Aspecti ? You are flaming people in a realy childish manner for believing an article they have read. It is not titled 'False Article', it was written in a believable, adult manner on a page reached via the NCSoft home, so people will asume there is some truth in it, yet you expect people to believe what you have written in your biggoted sub teanage manner. Ok there may or may not be truth in what you or the article say, I for one would like to see some 'blue' post or NCSoft comment to tell us either way. However even if you are right in what you say, can you not put it down a different way? Must you flame people and use words such as 'retarded' and 'idiots'? I bet you even throw the word 'noob' about as if there is something wrong in being new to something or being without knowledge of something. When you were at school did your teacher degrade you because you didn't have knowledge before you were taught?

There are some problems here in getting procs, as yet nobody has said DP will prevent a proc so it can't hurt to craft with DP, it is so easy to get to 4000 after all and can be used to morph if needed. Please just try to have a little empathy and diplomacy and address the issues which the thread is trying to iron out in a more civilised way.

To follow on from where I left off, now on 38 crafts of this particular item with full DP and 6 crafts with no DP (just for the hell of it), not one single proc to green, 51 points over the required crafting level for the item. No 1st proc green, 2nd proc green or full proc blue of this item (Durable Titanium Sword) on the broker on my server and hasn't been for 3 days now, there was the 1 Noble GS on the broker which I bought and bet it was crafted pre last maintenance, (4th Nov).

[Ifalna]

After 28 noncrit crafts, WS has finally decided to give me what I deserve... a ~ 20% critrate since then :<

[Dukietown]

It's been really random for me. In a batch of 15 whites one night I got 4 greens, 0 blues. 2 nights before that in a batch of 11 whites I got 7 greens, 3 blues, 1 gold. I've tried all of the tricks i've heard, 4kDP, craft at night, craft while abyss raids are going etc. The only one that seems to make a difference is the DP and that may be questionable as well. I still don't get how at 435 skill rating I can fail to proc a 220 skill white to green. I can understand the blue and gold fails, that makes sense. But a base white to green that's less than half my skill?

[Sythlar]

Originally Posted by schatz

Let me guess... your skill level was so high the design was grey?

Are you saying that if your skill level is too high, you are unable to get a crit out of an item? My skill is 210, and I have been trying to crit durable titanium daggers so I can use one to make a 'worthy' to use for myself, hopefully proccing a blue in the process. I started trying this at 30, but am now 34 and am eyeing adamantium as I'll be able to use these at 35 -- though with my success rate, not so much. So far, 23 attempts, zero crits.

I had thought that skilling up to the point where you wouldn't fail the combine was the smart thing to do -- are you saying otherwise? If so, it's news to me, never having read this before anywhere.
Sythlar

[Ifalna]

Are you saying that if your skill level is too high, you are unable to get a crit out of an item?

That's Bullcrap. I crafted 1 steel-polearm + 1 titanium polearm for my friends alt and BOTH critted @ 1st try. Im sitting at skill 360