[ThatsWhatSheSaid]

Just wondering how much you guys are making?

[Comodus]

If you get lucky it can be really profitable. If you keep at it a lot it can be semi-profitable. If you get unlucky you will lose everything you have.

Consumables, and even gathering are better steady sources of income.

[favelie]

If you want to make profit, then you'll have to gather all the mats by yourself. Then you'll gain enough kinahs by all farming than crafting then.

Crafting a poor weapon (white or green) will be hard to sell. So you have to go for blue/gold crafts, which are expensive in mats.

But ofc, if you proc a gold expert weapon, then you'll be rich.

[Fossilis]

Yeah, I stopped WS a long time ago once it hit 300. Got too expensive and failed too many times. I was the unlucky one...now Tailoring however...I was very lucky. 2 Steps to hit expert and got a proc on first try for each step. Super lucky with that lol! Plus, with Tailoring...you only need to get your Pads or Textiles to proc green/blue plus fluxes instead of getting a white weapon to proc green/noble...then use that to make another green or blue/expert weapon...mats are ungodly expensive if you buy them...can even cost you tons if you farm them. Its all in how you look at it. Is it worth your time?

[favelie]

If you can gather all your mats, you'll not loose any kinahs. The produced weapon, if you get a white will be sold for more than the items you bought at NPC.

Anyway, i agree for tailoring. Its easier since you have only the expert craft to do.

But in counterpart, while most of ppl use only ONE weapon, everybody wear 5 armor parts. That's why tailoring is easier.

I never crafted any weapons for selling purposes. I did only some titanium daggers at low level. I ever had better weapons from drop/quest than what can be crafted.

I may try an orichalcum expert sword (level 45) when i'll be expert. But i'm reaching level 50, so I may have access to better stuff.

[Zaurhh]

On the long run, I see expert WS as a nice income. With the 20%~30% proc rate i've been maintaning, I've made about rough ~200mil profit with this craft. If I do 30 tries on white > green, as long as I get even 1 to go green > blue, I won't lose a penny. And if that blue one happens to proc gold, it's always 20m+ profit.

[favelie]

How do you manage with your mats, do you gather them or buy?

I mean, when beginning I think you need to gather yourself. Once you get money back from sold weapons, you can see if you do enough profit to buy the mats and still gain money.

Buy mats = faster but you gain less. Less boring also :D

[Kasuga]

Same guy been trying to sell his one Noble Wise Dragon Polearm for a month. Keeps lowering the price. Hasn't sold yet. If he does he'll make a tiny bit of profit...over the course of one month. It's slow returns, you can never see a profit if RNG screws you enough.

Gathering your own mats is never worth it. Bots gather more and faster than you do, you will always farm money faster to buy what you need.

[djn]

what kind of a fuckin dumbass buys mats from broker to craft something in order to make profit?

seriously lmfao
have made tons of profit on azphel seeing as azphel has Cheap *** prices on pretty much anything its alot harder to make profit but still piss easy for me and i never made any crafter over 300p so dont even need expert stuff

just make tons of lvl 10 toons increase wh size dump all kind of **** on those warehouses dont sell any fluxes and stuff dont sell any gathered material and ur fine

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Kasuga said:

Gathering your own mats is never worth it. Bots gather more and faster than you do, you will always farm money faster to buy what you need.

dumbass.. dunno what mats ur talkin about fluxs? they drop like mad np to gather them infact i got 2 warehouses full with those **** things

if ur talkin about real gathering then rofl at u
/select w/euwannagather
/attack

ram pencil in ur keyboard go to bed dont know if pencil actually works i got gamepad and can make it click keys non stop else download a clicker and make it click the macro same ****
gathered like this since beta never got banned i got ported once cus i end up in a spot i shouldnt be and no way i could get there by using /select command cus the node was way out of range but hey im still not banned

This post has been edited by djn: 19 February 2010 - 07:19 PM
Reason for edit: Automerged Double-Post.

[Tremain78]

What kinda dumbass thinks farming your own mats means you spend less? here is a hint: if you CANT make a profit buying the mats from the trader then you are better off SELLING THE MATS than making the weapon.

[Arghun]

I actually tend to do a combination of buying and gathering for mats. When it comes to buying, it largely depends on what people are selling things for and how fast they are going for. For gathering I basically try to find a good spot where I can gather quickly and efficiently.

I always, Always, ALWAYS check the broker whenever I am in town for any number of things, gatherables, fluxes, elemetal stones and waters, etc and buy the ones that are priced below a certain threshold that is different for each item. I look at the types of items I can craft and see what has the highest craft vs sell profit before I craft. Swords might be hot this week and next week it's daggers or polearms. You just never know.

My weaponsmith is kinda low at the moment, so I have a rather puny example but it will hold true through higher items as well, I'm sure. I gathered several hundred iron just getting into Altgard from Ishalgen and gathering right inside the forest there where it looks like the devs used iron as a plot marker. Easy pickings. I bought a few more iron for like 20 each or some stupidly low price.

I bought lesser weapons fluxes for 100 kinah or less each.. I have over 300 of them. One of my alts is the designated aether gatherer so I had plenty of powder for free.. Aether is stupid expensive if you can gather it yourself.

The one thing you can't get away from are the mats needed to make ingots, nails, and rods. Charcoal, and acids do cost.. but at least the price is fairly fixed.

Anywho.. I decided to dip my toes in and figured that the lvl 20 swords were my best bet. to experiment with. The crafting cost.. to me.. in mats I bought, fluxes, and vendor items, came out to around 4k a pop.. I made 5 swords and critted on 2 of them. I sold those two swords for 60k each. so on a 20k expenditure.

If you add in, say another 30k ( probably less) on all those fluxes and all.. I've spent 50k so far and can make a ton more weapons without ever dropping another kinah unless I buy cheap iron or someting and can make many more green weapons to sell.

I still have 70k from that 120k.. which pretty much paid for my weaponsmithing to this point.. I can still sell the white swords that didn't proc.. just have to find the sell point..but I'm gonna make a killing on just the lvl 20 weaps in the long run.

I do the same thing for potions and tailoring, and handicrafting, etc.. Just keep your costs as low as you can and only make the stuff people are actually buying and you will be profitable.

*** Edit***
As for the comment made about selling mats if you can't make a profit buying them and crafting. It largely depends on if the mats are actually moving. Personally I look at some of the prices that people are attempting to sell things for and thik they are on something.

Take lesser life potions.. they sell for around 500 a pop in my broker on Kaisinel. Glass bottles are around 60 each. which leaves 440 as a break even point. I have seem people charging 400 or more a unit for the Azpha and 1000 kinah each for the lesser elemental stones (that comes out to 200 per potion for those).. so for a 500 kinah potion, you would have to buy over 650 kinah in parts.. plus the trip to Panda to get to the chem lab.

Buying at those prices is stupid. Granted some people probably do buy at those prices, but I can't speak for those people's common sense. Me, I will buy the stones for under 500 a pop and almost never buy azpha.. so my end cost is never over 150 per unit.. so I make 350 profit minumum per unit buy buying cheap and gathering my own azpha.

Sure I could try to sell my stuff on the broker, but I imagine most of it just sits there. I've found the same to be true if Elemental Stones and Theonia so far too.

This post has been edited by Arghun: 19 February 2010 - 09:51 PM
Reason for edit: Added comment @ Tremane

[Zaurhh]

djn said:

what kind of a fuckin dumbass buys mats from broker to craft something in order to make profit?

seriously lmfao
have made tons of profit on azphel seeing as azphel has Cheap *** prices on pretty much anything its alot harder to make profit but still piss easy for me and i never made any crafter over 300p so dont even need expert stuff

just make tons of lvl 10 toons increase wh size dump all kind of **** on those warehouses dont sell any fluxes and stuff dont sell any gathered material and ur fine

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dumbass.. dunno what mats ur talkin about fluxs? they drop like mad np to gather them infact i got 2 warehouses full with those **** things

if ur talkin about real gathering then rofl at u
/select w/euwannagather
/attack

ram pencil in ur keyboard go to bed dont know if pencil actually works i got gamepad and can make it click keys non stop else download a clicker and make it click the macro same ****
gathered like this since beta never got banned i got ported once cus i end up in a spot i shouldnt be and no way i could get there by using /select command cus the node was way out of range but hey im still not banned

Lmao, GL. Every time I craft, I make 5-10k ingots. And I can do that in 1 day. Don't wanna farm orichalcum ore for a week. In that time, I can do 7 mass-crafts, which makes me profit alot better than if I'd gather the materials to do 1 mass-craft for a week. And even IF you gather all the materials and craft something to make profit, you actually profit the same amount, or even less (because of the time it takes to gather), than if you'd buy em from broker, just use your head abit :P

[favelie]

The best thing is to do some estimations, depending of your server.

1) Check what you need for you craft
2) Check the fixed fees (to transform ingots and so)
3) and how much you can gain with it (check the prices at AH if any).
4) Substract 2 from 3, this will give you how much kinahs you may earn if you gather all the mats by yourself.
4.bis) Considering that flux (at high level) are not so farm-able, you can also count them as fixed fee by checking prices at AH
5) Now it depends on your way of playing :
5.1) You love to spend time on farming : it's long to have everything for a craft / You get max profit
5.2) You want to craft very quickly and buy all your mats : it's very quick / You earn less (with bad luck, nothing)
5.3) There is the key : You have to balance between buy and gather. For example, adamantium ore is well farmed by the bots and cheap, you can buy it easier than orichalcum (prices are x2-x3 from adam to orich, depending on the server).

All the key to money is what Arghun said : always check the AH for items that are below on a certain threshold. The point is there, definetly : a ratio between amount gathered / time spent. F

or example, it's not a good idea to farm yourself adamantium when bots already sell it very cheap. But it will be better to get yourself the Aether since it can be expensive (especially for Eylos, since our bots cannot get directly by flying from our entry point in the Abyss -> asteria :D ).

[loftel]

always done okay with WS as my primary craft :) I have alchemy / handi / WS / AS expert between my 2 toons however

[Kasuga]

Well, arguing with people that farm in the sub-millions per day is a lost cause. Slow returns, RNG dependent. You can make steady flows of money off alchemy if you make different things and check prices. Aether always drops due to bots. Boiling Bloods rise and fall too when someone is impatient and buys them all out.

[Racthoh]

From looking at the broker on Siel, Elyos side, there are currently a few expert weapons for sale. Three orichalcum greatsword (8-10 mil), one gold adamantium polearm (10 mil), one adamantium greatsword (4 mil). Now one of two things are happening. One, no one is getting lucky with the double procs and as a result are losing flux, aether, orichalcum, and time. Two, the crafters have realized they are wasting too much time hoping to get that triple proc since even the blue expert weapons aren't selling for enough to make it worth their time.

Personally I've had a lot of dumb luck. Passed the second part of the expert test on my 4th try while the first part took 9 tries. Alchemy first step 13 tries, second step 2. Made two orichalcum greatswords, one went all the way to gold and sold for an eight digit sum. On the other side, 40 million to make one gold level 40 mace for a friend. It's all random.

Take the safe route. Grind mobs, gather materials that are used for consumables and sell those. All I do nowadays is check for noble weapons and take the chance to upgrade those hoping for the proc, while making enough ingots for at most two tries at a weapon and see what happens. I'm not spending any more days devoted to crafting a few thousand ingots just to throw a bunch of whites and greens back at the vendor.

[Zaurhh]

Racthoh said:

From looking at the broker on Siel, Elyos side, there are currently a few expert weapons for sale. Three orichalcum greatsword (8-10 mil), one gold adamantium polearm (10 mil), one adamantium greatsword (4 mil). Now one of two things are happening. One, no one is getting lucky with the double procs and as a result are losing flux, aether, orichalcum, and time. Two, the crafters have realized they are wasting too much time hoping to get that triple proc since even the blue expert weapons aren't selling for enough to make it worth their time.

Personally I've had a lot of dumb luck. Passed the second part of the expert test on my 4th try while the first part took 9 tries. Alchemy first step 13 tries, second step 2. Made two orichalcum greatswords, one went all the way to gold and sold for an eight digit sum. On the other side, 40 million to make one gold level 40 mace for a friend. It's all random.

Take the safe route. Grind mobs, gather materials that are used for consumables and sell those. All I do nowadays is check for noble weapons and take the chance to upgrade those hoping for the proc, while making enough ingots for at most two tries at a weapon and see what happens. I'm not spending any more days devoted to crafting a few thousand ingots just to throw a bunch of whites and greens back at the vendor.

Maybe it's just your server where the materials cost that much. When I make orichalcum daggers, well 30x crafts on that, only once out of like... 20 times, it has happened so that I get 0 to try on the expert craft. Usually I get 1~3 Worthy Noble Orichalcum Daggers, and Expert Orichalcum Daggers sell for 10mil (atleast mine has sold) in less than a day. And gold ones sell for 3times that price. The 10mil what I get from the non-proc is enough to provide me cash for another 30 crafts. And with about every 4th-5th dagger proccing to gold for me, I see it as a nice income.

[Jimmy Decay]

As I see it, it's a waiting game. Patience is definitely needed, and playing the market as well. It seems to be that you slowly build up the mats for a go at the forge, and if you're lucky, you'll at least break even, or if you're really lucky, you'll get a good crit, and can make back all that kinah and then some. Definitely not a craft for people expecting instant returns.

[LFG]

djn said:

what kind of a fuckin dumbass buys mats from broker to craft something in order to make profit?

seriously lmfao

O-P-P-O-R-T-U-N-I-T-Y C-O-S-T.

Just because you gather your own mats it doesn't mean they're for free, you still spend time when gathering - time that could be spent farming kinah and buying the mats of the broker.

Though it can still be more profitable to gather your own mats.

[Tremain78]

LFG said:

O-P-P-O-R-T-U-N-I-T-Y C-O-S-T.

Just because you gather your own mats it doesn't mean they're for free, you still spend time when gathering - time that could be spent farming kinah and buying the mats of the broker.

Though it can still be more profitable to gather your own mats.

If its more profitable to gather your own mats then you should be selling the mats rather than the weapons.