[Xna_4248289]

(This is my first post on aionsource, also i am not a native english speaker, so please excuse my poor language)

I am member of a small legion which currently has 6 poorly-equipped (mostly xenophon weapons) lvl 50 warriors : 3 glads and 3 templars. Most of the time we are doing dredgions, fort instances, DP. Sometimes group/alliance roaming (when we just spend our AP ). Rest of the time we are solo or in small groups.

We are going to get new weapons (expert noble orichalcum greatswords, with attack speed !), but the process is slow, so only one of us is going to get one every several days, or weeks (due to the need to get money, try crafting and our play time is not infinite)

So, the question is : to get maximum effectiveness, in the legion, do the templars have to be equipped first or the glads ?
What would benefit the most in instances ? dredgion ? roaming/abyss pvp ?

[Remidica]

To make it fair, just invite everyone to a group and have them do a /roll. Whoever wins are the first to get weapons.

Otherwise, you'll have problems between the two classes if one feels more important than the other.

[Ephrum]

Remidica, on 30 March 2010 - 06:29 AM, said:

To make it fair, just invite everyone to a group and have them do a /roll. Whoever wins are the first to get weapons.

Otherwise, you'll have problems between the two classes if one feels more important than the other.

Pretty sound advice.

Also the most fair id say. =3

[StingerX]

or make 2 Greatswords BEFORE u give em o the players so 1 tank + 1gald gets one each time - the 3 classes roll for it too

[Yogurt_Is_My_Everything]

Well geared glads can make a huge difference, However Temps are more gear dependent than the Glad is. Glads should be using polearms anyways Those crit spikes can be something vicious mixed with the extra 40 Crit. Problem being they have less consistant DPS and parry than a GS.

[MrFoxx]

Fact And equally geared glad will steal hate from an equally geared templar, Hate is based on damage, gladiators have superior damage output, gladiators can tank, and to be honest templars can be reduced to the IJ bot, because they can barely hold aggro once a geared glad gets started in a group.

Drop rates suck, glads should be using whatever weapon boosts their damage output.

[StingerX]

gladiator all the way. tanks are too useless to talk about effectiveness

[dominico]

StingerX, on 04 May 2010 - 03:53 AM, said:

gladiator all the way. tanks are too useless to talk about effectiveness

As far as "effectiveness" goes; I would suggest not having templars lol. This is cruel, but not alot of people use templars for tanking. Its just whoever can do more damage and Gladiators just happen to put out more dmg than templars which puts them higher on the tanking effectiveness.

Ofc, your going to have templars in any guild. Which leads me to

Condor Herro, on 26 April 2010 - 08:05 PM, said:

Well geared glads can make a huge difference, However Temps are more gear dependent than the Glad is. Glads should be using polearms anyways Those crit spikes can be something vicious mixed with the extra 40 Crit. Problem being they have less consistant DPS and parry than a GS.

In this regard I have to agree with condor, it would prob be better to give it to the templar because Glads should be equiping different weapons anyway. Also just a quick note: I have lead endgame linkshells in FFXI and we would ussually have problems when multiple jobs could equip the same peice of equipment (Ridill, kitty pants etc). Basically we gave it to whoever participated most in Linkshell events, then to which jobs they were vital too (in other words it fit the "ubber endgame build" of that persons job), and then after those were all taken care of we would just /random. This worked very effectively and had very little complaints, and the little complaints we did have were from those people who ALWAYS complain.

Hope this helped :/

[Xna_4248289]

Well, thanks to everyone for the answers.
Finally we made the 6 greatswords in a very short time, so this was not much of a problem (mass-gathering orichalcum to craft many greatswords at once was probably the best solution in the end).

dominico, on 14 May 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

As far as "effectiveness" goes; I would suggest not having templars lol. This is cruel, but not alot of people use templars for tanking. Its just whoever can do more damage and Gladiators just happen to put out more dmg than templars which puts them higher on the tanking effectiveness.

I agree that templars cannot deal as much damage as gladiators. Hopefully, Aion is not only a game about damage dealing. In PVP templars have VERY useful abilities, and in PVE they are just fine, and much safer when anything goes wrong (The only thing we cannot do with two templars in our group is S-grade DP)

This post has been edited by Xna_4248289: 18 May 2010 - 09:27 AM

[StingerX]

kick a tank from ur Srang GRP and take in a Gladiator(doesnt matter if DW or not) and see how much faster/easier it gets...even with MiragentGS a Tank is still so much slower then a Gladiator with XenoSpear...

[Spijker]

If you equip your glads first your templars will get depressed and want to reroll.

[mitusis]

Spijker, on 31 May 2010 - 06:34 AM, said:

If you equip your glads first your templars will get depressed and want to reroll.

let em reroll.to glads

[Onycho]

Xna_4248289, on 18 May 2010 - 09:17 AM, said:

Well, thanks to everyone for the answers.
Finally we made the 6 greatswords in a very short time, so this was not much of a problem (mass-gathering orichalcum to craft many greatswords at once was probably the best solution in the end).



I agree that templars cannot deal as much damage as gladiators. Hopefully, Aion is not only a game about damage dealing. In PVP templars have VERY useful abilities, and in PVE they are just fine, and much safer when anything goes wrong (The only thing we cannot do with two templars in our group is S-grade DP)

IMO, equally geared templar/gladiator with both speced crit and attack, templar with attack tree skills and weaving...will outperform on single target DPS over a gladiator. Look at my toon, give a gladi the same GS that I have and I will outdps him on single target. Gladi though has a better ability to tank/do damage vs. multiple targets....which is why you do DP faster with a gladi. You can pull 2-3 mobs at all times without a problem. With a templar, it's 1-2 at a time, max.

[Spijker]

Onycho, on 31 May 2010 - 07:49 AM, said:

IMO, equally geared templar/gladiator with both speced crit and attack, templar with attack tree skills and weaving...will outperform on single target DPS over a gladiator.

No. Unless your gladiator is 5 years old maybe.

[Amadeaus]

lol.

[RagearFiresoul]

so much temp hate in this thread

Q_Q

[Azurian]

I'd love to see a Gladiator tank Bakarma without much effort (ie. drop under 3k HP) and tell the tale here.
For that PvE encounter you WANT a templar for the sole reason that he hits like a MAC-Truck on steroids on his AoE's.

And just a 101 for all you 2hander lovers out there, a good dual-wield equiped and skilled gladiator will outdps any templar hands down. Dual Wielding is our tanking tree, 2hander is our Spiking/DPS tree.

For the Gladiators :
With weapon fusion being ingame now, you should make lvl 45/50 Expert Polearms and have them get a blue or gold abyss non-elite spear to combine with it.

[Amadeaus]

no luv for teh templ0r

[Cooper]

In Azphel's RageQuit, our guildleader used the idea of gearing out the higher level of the class he thought benefited most from the item, and it was justifiable, but a little nyerked up. a few months in we were camping captain lahbri, saendukal, ladun, and a few other bosses. templars got all the armor, glads got all the greatswords, assasins got swords. in the end it left all the templars in the guild with such crappy weapons that we became useless in all instances when the glads and assasins took aggro with their gold weapons. in a few occasions when there were no gladiators at the event, if a gs dropped he would leader loot it and put it in the guild bank to give to the next glad on the list, rather than give it to a templar that wanted it. and of course by coincedence all the gladiators and assasins bought gold to buy top grade armor that was better than the boss drops we farmed, and more of it. on one ocasion lahbri dropped her gs, there were 3 templars that wanted it, a glad with a lv 35 expert aamantiam polarm, and our guildleader. he took it, and i nyerked for a few hours about how there's no reason we should even show up if we're still 10 back in line for the one thing we want, and finally got him to agree to use a dice roll for it, which i won (he hadn't bound it because someone was trying to make him an ENOGS that night, they succeeded btw) I'm still using lahbri's greatsword and my captain's breastplate (lv 41 blue) from captain lahbri 8 months later. (5 month break)


long story short, look at everyone's level and gear and as a group decide who would benefit the most from getting the drop, and who deserves it, etc. example: gladiator X has shown up 5 times to a boss fight, tanked it twice, and templar X just joined the guild and showed up this one time and tanks it but is in way worse gear than gladiator X. glad x has put in way more effort and dedication to your group camping this boss, but temp x needs the upgrade more. who gets it? judgment call!!!!!!!