[Edgeliver]

vigor0us, on 28 April 2012 - 02:12 AM, said:

http://board.en.aion...thod-from-aion/

"Rain meter is banned in EU its a 3rd party software"


/discuss :P

personally i dont think its even possible for them to tell if ure using rainmeter or not since its only reading a chat log.am i wrong?

This mod is kind of retarded.

Check this out. The mod is modifing the client himself and tells everyone, that it is illegal

http://board.en.aion...-is-this-legal/

[Mikuni]

That guy must be stoned. The other mod has said in many other threads they are ok with dps meters.

[Mikuni]

http://aionrainmeter...tem-cfg-editor/

[zagan]

Nobody, on 31 August 2011 - 07:50 PM, said:

Regarding getting in trouble for using parsers, NCSoft has always reserved the right to ban somebody for breaking the TOS (online parsers do). You can find examples of CMs on this very site saying both that you won't get banned and you may get banned.

Off the record they always say that nobody gets banned for just using a parser as NCSoft doesn't honestly care.

Which is fun, since the on-the-record stuff is what has kept Aion Armory from getting drop data. Since anything that can collect the info breaks the TOS.

Regarding any code, it's not likely to have anything if he offers up source. We can never guarantee anything and so anything that's posted is use at your own risk.

absolute BS.

This came up in 2009 2010 about combat loggers there's a few of them that do work with Aion from about 2 months after Aion got released.

Aion Armory doesn't log because they don't have a program to log the drops, like yg does. (which isn't even an yg idea it's from a German site/guy that made a drop logger and they bought the site) So they just rely on people to update the database for everyone else.

The AA has always been like that it's never been different, and that's an AA stance nothing more.

NCSoft said they don't and will never ban someone for using a log processor as it doesn't do anything against the TOS as anyone can simply enable that option in the settings text file.

What they will ban is the use of bots etc.

This is the exact same thing as people going through the chat log and manually doing the maths over a fight and yes people have done that as well on here.

That's how people find the best weapons etc mainly by manually going through the chat log.

[Ater Eva]

Mikuni, on 28 April 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

That guy must be stoned. The other mod has said in many other threads they are ok with dps meters.

I'd prefer him getting electrocuted in an electric chair. Those nyerks should be hurraying you for doing work for them (indirectly, but still, making the game more enjoyable for those who play it), not doing typical german bureucracy nyerk like this~~

[Mikuni]

Ater Eva, on 29 April 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

I'd prefer him getting electrocuted in an electric chair. Those nyerks should be hurraying you for doing work for them (indirectly, but still, making the game more enjoyable for those who play it), not doing typical german bureucracy nyerk like this~~

Oh by stoned I meant ~drugged/high ^^

[Tiru]

Mikuni can u tell me why rightclick (block) function doesnt work with your 64 bit client opener?

Even 32bit client can since today.

This post has been edited by Tiru: 02 May 2012 - 10:25 AM

[Mikuni]

Tiru, on 02 May 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Mikuni can u tell me why rightclick (block) function doesnt work with your 64 bit client opener?

Even 32bit client can since today.

It's fixed in 1.0

[SpiritOfChaos]

i added someone in esoterrace ur ap has 8100 , someone lefted boom ap reseted.

[Mikuni]

Testing different UI styles

SpiritOfChaos, on 02 May 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

i added someone in esoterrace ur ap has 8100 , someone lefted boom ap reseted.

Sorry but I'm gonna have to give up on this Went through extensive testing and debugging from your logs, and was unable to reproduce the issue, or find anyone else experiencing this; there must be something in your computer interfering with the meter.

This post has been edited by Mikuni: 03 May 2012 - 04:47 AM

[Eve]

2 questions:
1. can you explain how the ingame functions such as .tr EA hi are suppose to work? I type it into my aion client and it doesn't translate. One of my friends said to type and wait a bit, and nothing happens.

2. Can you add a function to the rain meter that lets us look at the record by mob names or boss names? One big issue for me is that like when i go to siege, if i forget to clear the meter, I have no idea how the DPS at siege went. thanks!

[Mikuni]

Eve, on 03 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

2 questions:
1. can you explain how the ingame functions such as .tr EA hi are suppose to work? I type it into my aion client and it doesn't translate. One of my friends said to type and wait a bit, and nothing happens.

2. Can you add a function to the rain meter that lets us look at the record by mob names or boss names? One big issue for me is that like when i go to siege, if i forget to clear the meter, I have no idea how the DPS at siege went. thanks!

1. Most likely you didn't add your char names in the setup. This is needed to assert it's you typing the commands (besides more dmg data accuracy). Alternatively, you can also select/cut to clipboard rather than pressing enter.

2. Already done in 1.0

This post has been edited by Mikuni: 03 May 2012 - 03:30 PM

[Tiru]

when ur gonna release it

[Mikuni]

Tiru, on 03 May 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

when ur gonna release it

Next week.

Incomplete raw changelog:

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cursecloud effect like curse of weakness
ranger traps
shareap
different bars display
new ui
3.0 skills


* select mob
* watch for new logfile after removal
* has been kicked / left
* dmg % bar
* hide AP display when not in use
* redo apcalc
* .ping .trace
* hacker report
* Shockwave warning
* Skillswindow copydata
* replaced bubble messages
* updatemywindow
* hacker status in DB
* removed sysconfig edit tool (released separately)
* class compare much faster
* class filter extremelly faster
* wintry
* maintain real-time skills object list with records per-skill for faster skill window refresh
* MyDisplay
* super fast skill window
* Show Ap Relics menu
* skillswindow 5x faster
* log size warning 100 mb
* ice sheet, tornados as applied effect dots
* more ease enabling chatlog
* us server
* new items db - 49717
* US player search
* logfile delete option
* skills window changes/esc
* enemy faction
* gradient style not remembered
* clipboard setting
* clipboard monitoring only if Aion active
* faction for .tr
* pause/resume
* remove pve damage
* Alias
* copy only dmg
* pvp hit fixes
* raw log output fixes
* raw log memory save
* raw log capture filter extremelly faster
* magma/delayed accuracy and pvp
* pvp hits improved
* remember chat window size
* load raw log from current session
* .item to .armory
* esc to windows
* .item search
* set pvp visual hint
* .hit .pvp .rpve
* rawlog window changes (process, load current/file/x KB)
* process stuff while chat disabled
* .check DB check player
* gained kinah, spent kinah, gained XP, AP display
* skill window click to filter
* process large logfiles
* improved screenshot
* G15 prevent double Init
* prevent player DB with double instance
* Silence/Para gs
* Server IPs
* portable
* arena contestants
* check for uniquedots when deleting single player
- also when player dies
* assign unrecognized unique hits to UniqueClass present
* redo cleric servants as Duppable dots - reformat servant hits as dots
* blood and darkness rune, set 1-hit dot upon AddHit
- only 3.0 support
* NextHit: when uniqueeffect activates, identify
* remove player search for euro
* support some 3.0 skills
* hacker status in DB

[Eve]

Mikuni, on 03 May 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

1. Most likely you didn't add your char names in the setup. This is needed to assert it's you typing the commands (besides more dmg data accuracy). Alternatively, you can also select/cut to clipboard rather than pressing enter.

I have added my name, Eve, to the list. So in the DPS window, I show up as "Me." so perhaps it's because my server is Tiamat? ("vaizel" no longer exists)?
2. Already done in 1.0

Mikuni, on 03 May 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

May I make a suggestion to also add the class symbols next to the char names on that listing? so we can easily see who was the top 3 of each class. Can be #10 on that list and still get mithril if u are a templar.

This post has been edited by Eve: 03 May 2012 - 10:34 PM

[Mikuni]

Eve, on 03 May 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

I have added my name, Eve, to the list. So in the DPS window, I show up as "Me." so perhaps it's because my server is Tiamat? ("vaizel" no longer exists)?
2. Already done in 1.0



May I make a suggestion to also add the class symbols next to the char names on that listing? so we can easily see who was the top 3 of each class. Can be #10 on that list and still get mithril if u are a templar.

1. No, server info isn't used there. When you type the command, does it show up on screen? If.. let's say, you are not in group and you type it as if you were, so it doesn't show on screen, it won't be in the log.

2.

[NukeU]

This tool is a great idea. I would definately use it if it was deemed "legal" by GF. however im a little concerned about it wrongly classing people as cheats.
For example you posted a screen in your dredgion vs storm and your program logged "deadly arrow" who i think is the leader of the asmo sieges? So might be wrong but i wouldnt have thought he/she was a cheat. If its going to be a cheat detection program it at least has to be 100% accurate.

[Eve]

hum that is a concern, although i'm more concerned about the security. Program that just reads a text file and gives me information is fine. But if you're program is also going to scan my running progresses, and be able to look into my other programs and such, aka, do more than reading a text file. Setting aside concerns about paying my cc bills and bank statements online, I'm pretty much prohibited from being able to use this on my laptop which I also double use for work, due to the fact that I'm in health care and sometimes have to do patient reports on there. A program that can collect other information on my pc and send it off to an outside company *(NCsoft).. yeah that might be breaking confidentiality laws lol

ADD:
I know as a DMG meter, Aion Rainmeter is 100% legit. So is there anything we can do to help it be more legit in NCsoft's eyes aka write a petition, public support, etc etc?

Because tbh, as much as I Love the idea of hackers not being able to use rainmeter and getting called out, I think this feature potentially brings problems for you. What if someone uses an advance hack that the doesn't show in the DB? What if someone uses a program that's false positive? NCsoft already does some cheat detection, but the invasiveness of it is probably limited by their legal team saying what would get them into trouble and what wouldn't. On the other hand, you don't have the luxury of having that kind of protection at your back.

I've long been a supporter of dmg meters as a way to challenge myself as well as others. I hold the belief that skill > Gear. A geared sorc autoattack doesn't outdps a undergeared ranger trying his best, so gear checks isn't always useful. So anything I can do as a supporter to keep Rainmeter legit I'm happy to do. However i don't think needs to be Aion police to get that support.

This post has been edited by Eve: 04 May 2012 - 09:31 AM

[Mikuni]

NukeU, on 04 May 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

This tool is a great idea. I would definately use it if it was deemed "legal" by GF. however im a little concerned about it wrongly classing people as cheats.
For example you posted a screen in your dredgion vs storm and your program logged "deadly arrow" who i think is the leader of the asmo sieges? So might be wrong but i wouldnt have thought he/she was a cheat. If its going to be a cheat detection program it at least has to be 100% accurate.

It gives fair warnings for people to be ready to frap etc upon encountering people with lots of hack reports and suspicious activity. As to whether that guy hacks or not, you can never know for sure. Israphel governor was recently caught using aionscript, and he was leading his server faction for a while http://aionrainmeter...t-mortred-case/

You can never claim your friends or whatever aren't cheating unless you are spying on their computer seeing right into their screen. Also anyone claiming they don't cheat, their word about it has also no relevance at all.

As for the program being legal to use, well, as long it's legit to open "chat.log" to read it with Notepad, arm should also be legit, since that's all it does to parse the damage etc.

[Mikuni]

Eve, on 04 May 2012 - 09:14 AM, said:

hum that is a concern, although i'm more concerned about the security. Program that just reads a text file and gives me information is fine. But if you're program is also going to scan my running progresses, and be able to look into my other programs and such, aka, do more than reading a text file. Setting aside concerns about paying my cc bills and bank statements online, I'm pretty much prohibited from being able to use this on my laptop which I also double use for work, due to the fact that I'm in health care and sometimes have to do patient reports on there. A program that can collect other information on my pc and send it off to an outside company *(NCsoft).. yeah that might be breaking confidentiality laws lol

ADD:
I know as a DMG meter, Aion Rainmeter is 100% legit. So is there anything we can do to help it be more legit in NCsoft's eyes aka write a petition, public support, etc etc?

I've long been a supporter of dmg meters as a way to challenge myself as well as others. I hold the belief that skill > Gear. A geared sorc autoattack doesn't outdps a undergeared ranger trying his best, so gear checks isn't always useful. So anything I can do as a supporter to keep Rainmeter legit I'm happy to do. However i don't think needs to be Aion police to get that support.

Well that's understandable. My program isn't open source, and I'm just some random gamer without any major reasons to trust me; you have to be wary at least. As for the extra scan it does, it's a pretty simple procedure, performed as well by many other processes like browsers and media players, they use some windows Api call to retrieve a list of running processes to see if they are already running another instance; arm does that as well, and in the process also checks whether it finds certain types of aion cheating programs -running- (not just in your disk, it doesn't scan any files). If it does find one, it shuts down; I implemented this for 2 reasons: 1) I don't want cheaters benefiting from my app. 2) I don't want my app running alongside hacks, that it might be wrongly associated with any hacking tools by NC/GF.

If you want extra security however, there are many ways to scan what the program does, to name a few:

Process Explorer http://technet.micro...ernals/bb896653
Process Monitor http://technet.micro...ernals/bb896645
TCPView http://technet.micro...ernals/bb897437
Wireshark http://www.wireshark.org/
Comodo firewall http://www.comodo.co...ty/firewall.php

Latest one also has very advanced security features that can check every little action by specified programs



But even after all this, only way to feel a bit more secure about random programs is to see how long they've been running and how many people are using it; most likely if it was doing something fishy, someone would have already found out.

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A program that can collect other information on my pc and send it off to an outside company *(NCsoft).

It doesn't send anything, only shuts down if it finds something. You also agree to that in the License agreement before downloading and installing http://aionrainmeter.tk/download/

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Because tbh, as much as I Love the idea of hackers not being able to use rainmeter and getting called out, I think this feature potentially brings problems for you. What if someone uses an advance hack that the doesn't show in the DB? What if someone uses a program that's false positive? NCsoft already does some cheat detection, but the invasiveness of it is probably limited by their legal team saying what would get them into trouble and what wouldn't. On the other hand, you don't have the luxury of having that kind of protection at your back.

Not sure what kind of problems you mean. My program tagging people as hackers, that's not any different from people callign you a cheater on boards or LFG channel. As for some people not using the program, it doesn't really concern me; arm is a free program I made for fun and as a hobby, whether more or less people use it doesn't really matter much, it's not like I'm getting money for it.