[Indigoy]

delacroix, on 27 September 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

23000? Is this damage in 1 hit or after x number of seconds. I can understand our skills mitigate dmg for a certain duration.

Yah, effective hp isn't just sheer HP, its how much potential tanking power you have. I wasn't counting heals though.
With my HP set I sit either at 12900 or 13200 depending on helm and that isn't too hard to reach, multiply 13k by .4 from Prot ward for 18200 and add 5000 on from spellstopping and you get around 23200 EHP. Of course with perfect parry, recovery spell, hots, pots, ap pots ect... it's actually alot higher then that.

From person experience I survive way more encounters with rangers using my hp set then with MR.

[Elliott]

damianosek, on 27 September 2011 - 03:57 PM, said:

ppl see u as the best chanter eu while u are just another failed chanter.

They do? lmao

[misto]

delacroix, on 27 September 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

23000? Is this damage in 1 hit or after x number of seconds. I can understand our skills mitigate dmg for a certain duration. And also consider that perfect parry stacks with our shields meaning 40% dmg from a 50% dmg mitigtion. That's aloada mitigation there!

BUT, full hp set gives aroung 2.3k hp and tbh that's usually 1-2shottable by rangers. EVA chanter to me would do the trick, if we can dodge stunning shot the match is ours anyway. It's imo the best melee defense stat; quite suprised why sins don't go eva tbh since l55 sins with l40 ap dagger still dishes out some pain. If chanter went a rogue monk class oh em gee!!!!!

Evasion stacking won't get you high enough.. plus only 30% chance its worthless lol

damianosek, on 27 September 2011 - 03:57 PM, said:

Lol misto ur so pro..
Unknown name?
Right ppl know me.
13k kills no experience HAHA u were siegeing more
I killed u when you still played chanter and saying that i dont have any experience is just funny, ur the biggest troll on this forum and u have biggest ego, ppl see u as the best chanter eu while u are just another failed chanter.
You probably write a story about this post but i dont give a nyerk

13k kills you got from running around with a group of braindeads.. I don't siege at all and I never did so stop talking nonsense

Dont remember you beating me but hard stacking mres just shows how bad and reliant you are on RNG rather than your brain

Indigoy, on 27 September 2011 - 11:34 PM, said:

Yah, effective hp isn't just sheer HP, its how much potential tanking power you have. I wasn't counting heals though.
With my HP set I sit either at 12900 or 13200 depending on helm and that isn't too hard to reach, multiply 13k by .4 from Prot ward for 18200 and add 5000 on from spellstopping and you get around 23200 EHP. Of course with perfect parry, recovery spell, hots, pots, ap pots ect... it's actually alot higher then that.

From person experience I survive way more encounters with rangers using my hp set then with MR.

You use prot ward or SS and you get sleep arrow.. gl with that

Elliott, on 28 September 2011 - 06:29 AM, said:

They do? lmao

You just jelly

[Elliott]

misto, on 28 September 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

You just jelly

I know right! I really wanted my non existent chanter on my non existent sub to be best chanter @ eu

/gutted

[Indigoy]

misto, on 28 September 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

You use prot ward or SS and you get sleep arrow.. gl with that

Was talking about effective HP, not timing or strategy's. Good work with your reading comprehension though.

[Slash2n]

hp wont help u with sorcs

[misto]

Indigoy, on 28 September 2011 - 09:35 PM, said:

Was talking about effective HP, not timing or strategy's. Good work with your reading comprehension though.

I was and still am tired and why would i read a block of text... why does effective hp matter when it will never play a role in a fight vs someone who knows what they're doing, you pop a shield you get cc'd or kited or some classes dont give a nyerk and burst you through it anyway

[Indigoy]

misto, on 29 September 2011 - 02:54 AM, said:

why does effective hp matter when it will never play a role in a fight vs someone who knows what they're doing

If you can't time your shields to counter/absorb someones burst, that's fine. It takes some skill to do so it's understandable if you can't.

[damianosek]

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13k kills you got from running around with a group of braindeads.. I don't siege at all and I never did so stop talking nonsense

Dont remember you beating me but hard stacking mres just shows how bad and reliant you are on RNG rather than your brain

ur too pro, to have a conversation with u, btw u have bad memory ;]

[misto]

Indigoy, on 29 September 2011 - 05:57 AM, said:

If you can't time your shields to counter/absorb someones burst, that's fine. It takes some skill to do so it's understandable if you can't.

you play on retarded servers vs retarded players so it's understandable if you think you can time a shield to stop a sorc / ranger from completely destroying you

[damianosek]

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you play on retarded servers vs retarded players so it's understandable if you think you can time a shield to stop a sorc / ranger from completely destroying you

Thats sad, but its so true ;]

[delacroix]

misto, on 28 September 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

Evasion stacking won't get you high enough.. plus only 30% chance its worthless lol

Actually on the contrary 30% is imba, there was this sin I met in silen entrance with eva spec, he capped eva on me ofc and dueling him was a nightmare. But it's 30% for a good reason, 1 dodge is more valuable than a block or parry, with block/parry you still receive dmg and still receive the debuff/cc effect, whilst eva completely negates it, like a physical resist. I know, chanters can't get high enough eva ever..but "if" we could i'd do it in a heartbeat

misto, on 28 September 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

Dont remember you beating me but hard stacking mres just shows how bad and reliant you are on RNG rather than your brain

Y U rage meesto?

Indigoy, on 28 September 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

If you can't time your shields to counter/absorb someones burst, that's fine. It takes some skill to do so it's understandable if you can't.

Lol how is it fine? And how does it take skill? If we gonna use it we gonna use it anyway, it depends on your opponent's awareness. Good players will kite it off or completely cc you. But yes, full hp set is completely pointless just as full attack set. Diminishing returns, if you dig.

[misto]

delacroix, on 30 September 2011 - 06:27 AM, said:

Actually on the contrary 30% is imba, there was this sin I met in silen entrance with eva spec, he capped eva on me ofc and dueling him was a nightmare. But it's 30% for a good reason, 1 dodge is more valuable than a block or parry, with block/parry you still receive dmg and still receive the debuff/cc effect, whilst eva completely negates it, like a physical resist. I know, chanters can't get high enough eva ever..but "if" we could i'd do it in a heartbeat

RNG.. my cleric has 1984 mres and I still get stunned 24/7 by chanters with SS when they have 1.1k macc so yeah GG

This post has been edited by misto: 30 September 2011 - 07:44 AM

[delacroix]

Well, Aion is all rng anyway, so instead of condemming it why not embrace it? It takes no genius to figure out the odds go up when % increases. 30% is more than enough to guarantee at least 1 proc in 3 hits. But w/e Im gonna go roll/buy temp untill they release info on 3.0 chanter skills

[Indigoy]

misto, on 29 September 2011 - 02:23 PM, said:

you play on retarded servers vs retarded players so it's understandable if you think you can time a shield to stop a sorc / ranger from completely destroying you

You don't even know what server I play on. I could play on yours for all you know retard.

What is a ranger gonna do once you use prot ward. He either sleeps you or kites you. If he kites you just turned a 40% damage reduction into 100% so that's win. Or you forced him to use sleep and now he has to successfully combo on you or lose. So you basically determined when he was going to initiate and have had absolute control over the fight. It's really not that difficult.

As for Sorcs when they combo you out of sleep, you can easily pop your shield on the first point of damage and negate a large amount of the rest before silence happens. Definitely enough to avoid them "completely destroying" you.

delacroix, on 30 September 2011 - 06:27 AM, said:

Good players will kite it off or completely cc you. But yes, full hp set is completely pointless just as full attack set. Diminishing returns, if you dig.

I don't think you know what diminishing returns even means.
HP gives you full return. 1 point of HP negates 1 point of damage. In fact because of pvp defense each point of HP negates ~1.4 points of pvp damage. So it actually offers increasing returns, the exact opposite of diminishing returns, retard.

[Slash2n]

misto, on 30 September 2011 - 07:44 AM, said:

RNG.. my cleric has 1984 mres and I still get stunned 24/7 by chanters with SS when they have 1.1k macc so yeah GG

that because SS isnt MA.

[Mihomine]

SS is MA

[PowerSauce]

Super saiyan is not magical accuracy.
Also, Indigoy, I would love to see you beat good sorcs as a chanter mate

This post has been edited by PowerSauce: 01 October 2011 - 06:35 AM

[misto]

Indigoy, on 30 September 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:

You don't even know what server I play on. I could play on yours for all you know retard.

What is a ranger gonna do once you use prot ward. He either sleeps you or kites you. If he kites you just turned a 40% damage reduction into 100% so that's win. Or you forced him to use sleep and now he has to successfully combo on you or lose. So you basically determined when he was going to initiate and have had absolute control over the fight. It's really not that difficult.

As for Sorcs when they combo you out of sleep, you can easily pop your shield on the first point of damage and negate a large amount of the rest before silence happens. Definitely enough to avoid them "completely destroying" you.

Fully buffed sorc can burst you through prot ward anyway rofl plus they can just CC you again plus it's not like they waste all their big hitting skills instantly and regardless they dont even need those big skills do kill you if you're silenced/slowed and have pots on CD

As for ranger.. dunno if you've met ones like I have with +10 or higher 55 ap bows that can kill me in 3 hits with 10.8k hp... so even if they kite off prot ward they can still 3 shot you lol plus its not hard for them to nyerk up a rotation and its not like they need a rotation.. just CC your shield and burst you

[delacroix]

Indigoy, on 30 September 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:

I don't think you know what diminishing returns even means.
HP gives you full return. 1 point of HP negates 1 point of damage. In fact because of pvp defense each point of HP negates ~1.4 points of pvp damage. So it actually offers increasing returns, the exact opposite of diminishing returns, retard.

Err, my term was based off stacking full hp/attack compared with other manastones. Since 100atk=8% and 100mb=8%, attack stones go for 7 each stone whilst mb goes for 27. You only need 4 slots of mb to get 8% when you need to stack almost 20 slots for attack 8%. That is diminishing returns on attack set.

Stacking full HP compared with stacking parry for example; full hp set eg: 30x85=2550 hp. we get almost 9k buffed hp as default so having full hp increases your max hp by 30 something %. Stacking full parry; 30x27=810, which equates to around 2.7k parry fully buffed with lannok. assuming you get max cap between their accuracy that's 40% mitigation, which is more than hp. Plus with parry you wont get critted, meaning no stun, no kd. That is diminishing returns on HP set.

Only reason why I even bothered talking to you was because I was trying to convince you hp set is SH1T. But I guess you're just like alot of smart chanters out there like Mahero who stacks HP and I see him go down faster against Reda than me. There may be a misunderstanding contextually in my previus post but there is no need to call me a retard. But I couldn't care less, apart from Misto and Nya, I've already proved Gorgos and Perento that I was one of EU's best Chanters. So go ahead nobody, go fight in your hp set when 2.7 comes out. I'd love to see your arena KDR.

But yea, no one knows what server you're from, for all we know he could be on a server being the best out of eu's worst. The best of the worst is no better than the worst from the best.. Which makes you a nobody, just all theories and no evidence to prove it.

Indigoy, on 30 September 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:

What is a ranger gonna do once you use prot ward. He either sleeps you or kites you. If he kites you just turned a 40% damage reduction into 100% so that's win. Or you forced him to use sleep and now he has to successfully combo on you or lose. So you basically determined when he was going to initiate and have had absolute control over the fight. It's really not that difficult.

As for Sorcs when they combo you out of sleep, you can easily pop your shield on the first point of damage and negate a large amount of the rest before silence happens. Definitely enough to avoid them "completely destroying" you.

Dumb people are allowed to conseal their identities to prevent major butthurt.

I'm done with this clown.

This post has been edited by delacroix: 01 October 2011 - 02:11 PM