[OrochiPt]

After reading Aksi responses, i get the feeling that clerics are going to be heavely nerfed (again) against sorcs and sm´s in 3.0. IMO the magic cancelattion passives+actives skills + elemental resists from their skills +stats available to their equips( and assuming they slot MR like the present trend)will make that 1v1 encounters more biased towards sorcs/sm´s. What do u think?

[reflexion]

It won't matter, slot mr and MOAR mb,fk MA

[delacroix]

good, clerics are nyerking healing class and should never out dps a chanter. Chanters are the dps class of chain wearers.

Problem? Reroll.

This post has been edited by delacroix: 05 December 2011 - 02:00 PM

[Tiliah]

OrochiPt, on 05 December 2011 - 11:05 AM, said:

After reading Aksi responses, i get  the feeling that clerics are going to be heavely nerfed (again) against sorcs and sm´s in 3.0. IMO the magic cancelattion passives+actives skills + elemental resists from their skills +stats available to their equips( and assuming they slot MR like the present trend)will make that 1v1 encounters more biased towards sorcs/sm´s. What do u think?

i have the exact same feeling. even if you go full mb, so have low hp/ma/mr, their mcancel will still negate half your mb, so you'll do nyerk damage regardless (that's if you can even hit them due to mr), while they'll kill you as fast as ever with the little mcancel you get. unless it's a really terrible sorc/sm, no chance to win...

furthermore, 3.0 ap chain is once again a chanter set, if you want cast spd gloves (arena ones being the only option), baibai set effects. until they start making 2 versions of ap chain, it will always be crap gear for cleric. chanters are phys melee, while clerics are ranged casters and they share same armor.. go figure <.<

i doubt i'll still be around at 3.0 tbh. im not planning to reroll and gear up another char. and with gw2 and tera likely coming out around same time, i'll jump ship for either of those

[0____________o]

this has been discussed ad nauseum, attack speed is useful for the majority of our offensive spells, more-so than cast speed. If you're a healbot, then you dont need mboost or macc and you'll do fine with the 55 sets that are out now with cast speed.

as far as the OP topic, we'll have to see what major effect m cancellation has, and we will have to see what kind of passive macc boost we get. if you are offensive, you can reach 1900macc/2500mboost with top gear. adjust as needed to get more macc.

[OrochiPt]

delacroix, on 05 December 2011 - 02:00 PM, said:

good, clerics are nyerking healing class and should never out dps a chanter. Chanters are the dps class of chain wearers.

Problem? Reroll.

hio razlo:) its not a problem of outdpsing a chanter( and in fact i always had the opinion that chanters would needed more dps since the begining), the problem here is another. The fact we are being pushed only to a support-role class when in the begining cleric was viable as a class to pvp(those good ol times u and me lived back on gorgos ) , and for that, i( and prolly other clerics that you and i know will simpply rerrol or simplier ,like tilliah said , just give up forever of aion.
If we now have a problem in clerics numbers, think how bad it will be on 3.0...

[Tiliah]

EvilPear, on 05 December 2011 - 03:05 PM, said:

this has been discussed ad nauseum, attack speed is useful for the majority of our offensive spells, more-so than cast speed

19% atkspd from staff (or mace+shield if that's your thing) + 8% cast spd from gloves + 9% cast spd from scroll > w/e other combination of weap/glove/scroll
it's sufficient atk spd so that your instas animation are fast enough and you get enough cast spd so that your casted spells and heals don't root you on the spot for too long either. if you wanna heal in group, switch to cast spd mace.

[delacroix]

OrochiPt, on 05 December 2011 - 03:14 PM, said:

hio razlo:) its not a problem of outdpsing a chanter( and in fact i always had the opinion that chanters would needed more dps since the begining), the problem here is another. The fact we are being pushed only to a support-role class when in the begining cleric was viable as a class to pvp(those good ol times u and me lived back on gorgos ) , and for that, i( and prolly other clerics that you and i know will simpply rerrol or simplier ,like tilliah said , just give up forever of aion.
If we now have a problem in clerics numbers, think how bad it will be on 3.0...

Sad to hear, bearing in mind most lfg's are looking for clerics nowadays it's gonna be pretty dead if it were true

[OrochiPt]

delacroix, on 06 December 2011 - 02:28 AM, said:

Sad to hear, bearing in mind most lfg's are looking for clerics nowadays it's gonna be pretty dead if it were true

If the ability to do solo-pvp is compromised, what reason have ppl to play cleric in this game? There isnt any sort of competetive medium for teams, and i for one will not take part into mindless zergs on 3.0 : lets hope like pear said, they give some obscure passive boost on Magaccuracy, or else cleric numbers are going to drop like dead flys

[delacroix]

Well, you can always make up a small gank group, lets say 2man or 3man? Clerics are more wanted in these small groups than chanter, so if people still wanna pvp and you don't mind have 1-2 more ppl in your party, don't see why it can't be fun that way

[OrochiPt]

delacroix, on 06 December 2011 - 07:09 AM, said:

Well, you can always make up a small gank group, lets say 2man or 3man? Clerics are more wanted in these small groups than chanter, so if people still wanna pvp and you don't mind have 1-2 more ppl in your party, don't see why it can't be fun that way

At least for me, that solution doesnt give me that rush feeling
Also bear in mind that on cruxs pvp what are clerics gonna do if they encounter a sorc p.ex? Roll over and play dead? Not my style im afraid...
But lets wait to see what is going to happen

This post has been edited by OrochiPt: 06 December 2011 - 07:38 AM

[Elliott]

OrochiPt, on 06 December 2011 - 07:33 AM, said:

At least for me, that solution doesnt give me that rush feeling
Also bear in mind that on cruxs pvp what are clerics gonna do if they encounter a sorc p.ex? Roll over and play dead? Not my style im afraid...
But lets wait to see what is going to happen

Haha you're that kind of player...

Spend years fighting sins while they are not being able to use their key abilities due to magic resist(balance is obviously fine since its in your favor)

Soon as clerics gain the same problems you're like "this game is crap, not worth playing"

[Edgeliver]

Just fire off with MB/MA set and have fun.

MR set won't be needed anymore since you deal less dmg, but receive less either.

SM will have problems killing a cleric in a fearrotation, sorc can't 3 shot classes like cleric anymore etc.

Just wait and see.

The big problem won't be casterclasses.
There won't be a Mellee-Offset so classes like Ranger/Glad/Assa hell, even Templers/Chanter will cut through everything like it's nothing.

[Jinxied]

Is anyone taking into consideration the 2k+ mres almost every dps class has nowadays?... Adding "little" amount of magic cancelation and my mb will be cut to 1.2-1.3k LOL... Basically now I have 1.7k ma and 1.6k mb... soooooo I need to deal with hitting over 2k+ mres + having my mb lowered with 300-400... meh,every descent sorc will simply pot out all this damage with Life pots...

Being a healing bot always requires to have a group with you lol... I dont really want to rely on someone when Im pvping... I might decide to pvp at weird for most people hours...

[Tiliah]

if memory serves right (kr site is on maintenance, so can't check), sorcs will get some 1350 mcancel.. gl getting them to even 50% hp. xD

mr set for cleric sure won't be viable anymore, as edgeliver said you'll need to go mb/ma.

and i doubt other classes will still go mres in 3.0, because pretty much all classes are getting a ma boost. with 2k mr you'll hardly resist anything anymore.

[OrochiPt]

yes without a doubt MR set isnt viable against Sorc/Sm, but if the values u said tiliah are accurate even with a hibrid Magaccuracy/Magboost set we are heavelly nerfed against them.. really dont know why so elemental resist/magic cancelation is applied to sorcs and sm´s , for all other classes xcpt caster classes that would make sense, but for casters?

[reflexion]

well well well, clerics are QQing now? that is new

[Tiliah]

@orochipt

ap60e cloth + ap60 acce
http://aion.aspirine...20mwvd;218cby;0
M.Boost Resist: 1077 + 180 (passive skill) = 1257

ap60 conditioning cloth + ap60 acce
http://aion.aspirine...20mwvd;218cby;0
M.Boost Resist: 1164 + 180 = 1344

i picked the ap60 head, but you can also go with the balic glasses for higher mres, they give the same amount of magic cancel.

and yeah, it's silly that when everyone QQ about the OP dmg sorcs do, they end up with the highest amount of mcancel...
cleric vs sorc was already in favor of sorcs, but it's gonna be a lot worse in 3.0.

[Jinxied]

1xxx mb resist?... Seriously?!... I need to have over 2.7k mb to stand a descent chance to beat a sorc LOOOOOL... that's such a bullnyerk :<

[reflexion]

how much MC for the plate?