[Neeni]

ZeroSeventy, on 14 December 2011 - 07:32 AM, said:

People are unhappy, because F2P games are usually flooded with bots, cheaters (k we got those already) and goldsellers. As P2P companies care to "fight" with those, F2P try but eventually give up and let it be...

Also the game might change into something worse, we might see a lowered success rate on enchanting and mana stones socketing so they can sell some 100% success items via item shop etc. Generally it may become a pay2win game like many F2Ps out there...

But the thing is, this game was just about to be completely dead. A lot of players left to play skyrim, the remaining ones were waiting for gw2/tera or whatever else. If they want to move to their new mmos as soon as they'll come out then aion turning f2p shouldn't bother them. This game would be left with no players and turning it into f2p was imo a good way of saving aion.

We had cheaters and bots already in aion, in korea/japan there are bots everywhere and the game is fine.

And btw, if you were paying for aion monthly and you liked it then paying for the gold account shouldn't be a problem right?

This post has been edited by Neeni: 14 December 2011 - 07:42 AM

[Zomise]

I made a support ticket about transferring to NA servers. They haven't said no yet, but are looking into it. If others are interested about changing to the NA servers, just make tickets, so they see there's lots of interest for it — and maybe they will let us do it.

[ReCorrupt]

Anike, on 14 December 2011 - 05:04 AM, said:

"A Gold Pack offers you the complete game experience and gives you many advantages such as shorter cooldown times for instances or more AP points for your victories in PvP.

I am either scared of this or find it funny.

This post has been edited by Outrageous: 14 December 2011 - 09:40 AM

[StingerX]

Aion is going down. OFC they will reduce AP/Kinah/allIncome of everything and put the needed Stuff into an ItemShop.

kthxbye

[Wolfen]

Neeni, on 14 December 2011 - 07:41 AM, said:

But the thing is

The thing is that a new company is going to host Aion, Gameforge, the same people that host Cabal or Metin 2 (with 38 employers ready to take care of EU Aion).

So please, think with your head before saying that this is a positive change. I would have prefered Innova at this point, or the same Lineage II method (which either allows you to stay on NCSoft servers or to go on the new EU server hosted by the new company, which is Innova in Lineage II case).

And seriously, if you are happy only because you can gank newbies with your twink again, gtfo since you're one of those losers (yes, losers).

Quoting Grayy from the official forums;
My experience with gameforge so far :
1) Terrible customer service
2) Games full of bots and gold sellers with none to stop them
3) Inexistant GM's
4) Patches with bugs that none cares to fix
5) Ridiculous amount of time to implement new content in their games
6) None to controll and punish the cheaters
Thanks but no thanks.
Goodbye.

And i've even heard worse things from people that played Cabal.

Also from my RF Online experience, i can say that when a P2P game hosted by a P2P experienced company goes F2P hosted by a F2P company, it never ends well (for us, indeed).

This post has been edited by wolfen: 14 December 2011 - 08:28 AM

[Nobody]

I'm happy to offer my NA referral codes to anybody wanting to switch over to NA. Also, it is possible to go play with either Innova or in Korea as well.

[Neeni]

wolfen, on 14 December 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

So please, think with your head before saying that this is a positive change. I would have prefered Innova at this point, or the same Lineage II method (which allows you to stay on NCSoft servers or to go on the new EU server hosted by the new company, which is Innova in Lineage II case).

It's positive to me. I was about to quit aion cause i cba to P2P but then comes F2P aion. Look at all the idiots on this or official forums spamming "LOL I CAN'T WAIT FOR GW2 LOLO I GOT A BONER". Let's say that the attention seekers will actually move to the other mmos, how many people would be still playing aion? Have you ever made a new alt? Well i made quite a lot of them and what i noticed is:

You join some random L30 group, check the gear of ppl there and they're all full daevanion +10 or fabled sets +10 with +10 weapons. It was so rare for me to find a new player with green/blue items, finding a group for some instances is nearly impossible. Why is that? because there is no new players coming to aion, IT'S DEAD.

wolfen, on 14 December 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

And seriously, if you are happy only because you can gank newbies with your twink again, gtfo since you're one of those losers (yes, losers).

I loooove ganking, it's so cool and makes me so happy.

wolfen, on 14 December 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

Quoting Grayy from the official forums;

My experience with gameforge so far :

1) Terrible customer service
2) Games full of bots and gold sellers with none to stop them
3) Inexistant GM's
4) Patches with bugs that none cares to fix
5) Ridiculous amount of time to implement new content in their games
6) None to controll and punish the cheaters

1) Try reporting a cheater or bot with 100% proof to ncsoft.
2) True
3) Do i even have to comment on that? have you ever seen GM in aion? I did once, he was spamming aoe in Gelk fort and looked like a huge rabbit.
4) Just like some of the bugs in aion that exist from the start of the game and never got fixed.
5) Just like in aion?
6) Alright now... have you ever reported someone and saw him being banned? I reported 2 people with 100% proof and they never got banned. I only noticed ncsoft banning people when there's million reports on someone and they just want to stop the spam.

[Fiets]

Fanboys are boring. There's absolutely no way to justify what they did to Aion in the past 1.5 years. That said, That description of Grayy is exactly NCsoft except not botters because even they abandoned the game long time ago.

Also the number of the Gameforge team doesn't mean anything. If they are 38 hardworking people with access to actually change the game to their liking it's way better than NCwest has done.

This post has been edited by Fiets: 14 December 2011 - 08:43 AM

[Nobody]

Please note that the CM for the f2p model just contacted me. I've invited them to post here and answer questions. So please be welcoming for those who'd like more information.

[.Rast]

wolfen, on 14 December 2011 - 08:11 AM, said:

Quoting Grayy from the official forums;
My experience with gameforge so far :
1) Terrible customer service (No difference with Ncsoft)
2) Games full of bots and gold sellers with none to stop them (We have yet to find out)
3) Inexistant GM's (No difference with Ncsoft)
4) Patches with bugs that none cares to fix (No difference with Ncsoft)
5) Ridiculous amount of time to implement content in their games (No difference with Ncsoft)
6) None to controll and punish the cheaters (No difference with Ncsoft)
Thanks but no thanks.
Goodbye.

So, only your 2nd argument is one that might get worse, but i hope a company like gameforge, wich has experience with f2p games will just implement something like gameguard to prevent most botting.

This post has been edited by Rastekkel: 14 December 2011 - 08:55 AM

[Fiol]

Community with even more idiots, kids and losers. Aion is dead finally.

[thaicetruckkilla]

Rastekkel, on 14 December 2011 - 08:45 AM, said:

So, only your 2nd argument is one that might get worse, but i hope a company like gameforge, wich has experience with f2p games will just implement something like gameguard to prevent most botting.

u really dont want gameguard its very easy to go around and it adds allot of lag to the game
just pray for active gm's that arent afraid to ban
cheaters might be hard to prove some times
but botters ban them 100% have a weekly cleanup like silkroad used to do

[PowerSauce]

I will hold my tongue over this matter until I know what they will all sell in the cash shop, until then, I can play 5 accounts atm, if I'd pay for them all, now I won't have to !

[Wolfen]

Neeni, on 14 December 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

It's positive to me. I was about to quit aion cause i cba to P2P but then comes F2P aion. Look at all the idiots on this or official forums spamming "LOL I CAN'T WAIT FOR GW2 LOLO I GOT A BONER". Let's say that the attention seekers will actually move to the other mmos, how many people would be still playing aion?

That's because you're the classic F2P random player that has no clue about what's going on, if 13€ monthly (which are nothing) bother you so much then you should have chosen a private server on the first place.

You think that all will stay the same as it is now for the "high level pvp players" (or, in order to don't be misunderstood, for people that competitively PvP at lv 55, instead of ganking newbies with their overgeared twink)?

A company doesn't buy a P2P game to make it F2P without anything back, it will end like every other F2P game, aka pay in order to be competitive (and you will end up on spending way more than 13€ monthly, which is not a problem for me but it's not the main point, i know people that have spent more than 1.000€ on RF Online's cash shop).

Also, you think that the new "private server players" (or in other words, kids) that will join Aion will make it better? Seriously, if someone wanted to play Aion it surely was not the 13€ monthly to stop him. So TERA/GW2 will have the same impact on the truly player base.

Neeni, on 14 December 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

Have you ever made a new alt? Well i made quite a lot of them and what i noticed is:

You join some random L30 group, check the gear of ppl there and they're all full daevanion +10 or fabled sets +10 with +10 weapons. It was so rare for me to find a new player with green/blue items, finding a group for some instances is nearly impossible. Why is that? because there is no new players coming to aion, IT'S DEAD.

No, i never made an alt. But i made a new char, a Gladiator (and i called it a new char because i didn't spent a single kinah from my main in order to gear him up, nor i went to gank newbies on Beluslan).

Ofc it was rare to find new players with green/blue items, even because with the new drop rates and surveys you're full gold in less than nothing (even with kromedes weapons).

It's not true, i always found groups for FT or Kaidan, not to mention that there always is the mentor system.

Neeni, on 14 December 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

I loooove ganking, it's so cool and makes me so happy.

And this tell me what kind of player you are, no wonder that the F2P thing made you so happy.

But remeber, the real PvP is at lv 55, ganking newbies with your twink is not pvp.

Neeni, on 14 December 2011 - 08:34 AM, said:

1) Try reporting a cheater or bot with 100% proof to ncsoft.
2) True
3) Do i even have to comment on that? have you ever seen GM in aion? I did once, he was spamming aoe in Gelk fort and looked like a huge rabbit.
4) Just like some of the bugs in aion that exist from the start of the game and never got fixed.
5) Just like in aion?
6) Alright now... have you ever reported someone and saw him being banned? I reported 2 people with 100% proof and they never got banned. I only noticed ncsoft banning people when there's million reports on someone and they just want to stop the spam.

1)Customer service doesn't only means repots, i always had good experience with the NCSoft Customer service, they always helped me when i had some issues with the game (like when after a patch my Noble Coliseum Brenches got changed to Stately, they gave me back the Noble after a day, full socketed and enchanted). Losing this kind of support will be a seriously issue.

2)So playing again with bots and goldsellers doesn't bother you at all?

3)Inexistant GM's doesn't have to mean "in game", who cares about ingame GMs.

4)Because some of those bugs must be fixed from the Korean Devs, but what would happen if another Divine bug shows up and Gameforge is not able to fix it intime? there you screwed a whole server.

5)And what happens if Gameforge takes even longer to get us those patch?
"Yes, update 3.0 will also be installed on the European server. However, the localisation of the new content will take some time." (http://www.aionfreet.../gamecontent_02)
Does this means that it will take longer than the NA version?

6)I never have reported anyone, even because the only cheats that people can use in game are either radar/glide hacks or nofall, every other thing is only a QQ from newbies that get killed. But as far as i saw, every glide hacker that got reported was banned, radar hackers on the other way no, which indeed sucks (but we all know that NCWest is far from being perfect).

Rastekkel, on 14 December 2011 - 08:45 AM, said:

So, only your 2nd argument is one that might get worse, but i hope a company like gameforge, wich has experience with f2p games will just implement something like gameguard to prevent most botting.

That's not my direct experience with them, i only quoted Grayy from the official forums. You never know that can get worse or better when such big changes happens, only time will tell (specially, when we talk about the NCSoft support team, which was always good).

But as far as I can tell, i'm totally not happy (this doesn't mean that i won't give a chance to the "new Aion", i just don't like how NCSoft handled this situation for the EU version of the game).

Fiets, on 14 December 2011 - 08:43 AM, said:

Fanboys are boring. There's absolutely no way to justify what they did to Aion in the past 1.5 years. That said, That description of Grayy is exactly NCsoft except not botters because even they abandoned the game long time ago.

Also the number of the Gameforge team doesn't mean anything. If they are 38 hardworking people with access to actually change the game to their liking it's way better than NCwest has done.

It's not true at all.

As far as i understood from Aksi's posts, not even Innova is able to do such big changes (because they still have to keep the koreans devs version of the game) so i really doubt that Gameforge will be able to (except for the cash shop items, maybe).

This post has been edited by wolfen: 14 December 2011 - 10:45 AM

[Zomise]

I have questions for BlackVelvet:

1) How much will the Gold Package be per month?
3) How much is the siege rewards (and AP?) reduced for veterans?
4) Do you have any plans to sell more character slots?
5) Will you give us 100% socket success thingies to your store?
6) What else are you planning to sell?

[Neeni]

wolfen, on 14 December 2011 - 09:03 AM, said:

That's because you're the classic F2P random player that has no clue about what's going on, if 13€ monthly (which are nothing) bother you so much then you should have chosen a private server on the first place.

Cba to reply to a QQ guy like you, cause whatever happens you will be moaning all your life. Anyway even if i'd be a classic f2p player wouldn't that mean that i know exactly whats going on?

Oh and 13 euros a month don't bother me, what bothers me is paying 13 euros on the game that i don't enjoy anymore because it's dead when i could spend it on 3 more drinks at the pub.

And all your flame at me fails btw. I've got 2x 55 levels on Perento and 50 cleric to have fun in heiron, therefore calling me an easymode twink killing lowbies fails in the first place.

[thaicetruckkilla]

is blackvelvet from Gameforge

if so have a small q
are u guys thinking of excluding the not paying players from level 55~60
cause i noticed u had different (Maximum character level) for the Starter/Veteran/Gold Pack

[delacroix]

I much rather play a boring game free of charge than being an idiot and resub everymonth to a game i find boring.

[Wolfen]

Neeni, on 14 December 2011 - 09:22 AM, said:

Cba to reply to a QQ guy like you, cause whatever happens you will be moaning all your life. Anyway even if i'd be a classic f2p player wouldn't that mean that i know exactly whats going on?

Oh and 13 euros a month don't bother me, what bothers me is paying 13 euros on the game that i don't enjoy anymore because it's dead when i could spend it on 3 more drinks at the pub.

And all your flame at me fails btw. I've got 2x 55 levels on Perento and 50 cleric to have fun in heiron, therefore calling me an easymode twink killing lowbies fails in the first place.

Classic, when someone can't answer he always reply with a "you're QQing". Well, fresh news, i'm not QQing i'm just sharing my own opinion.

The point, or at least MY point, is that it's never good when an AAA P2P game goes F2P. Because, as i've already explained on my previous post, the cash shop may ruin the whole game.

So i don't care if you don't enjoy to pay for a game that you consider dead (when it's far from dead, and the two/three asmodians alliances that were hunting me yesterday on Gelkmaros prove it) when a F2P system may ruin it.

It doesn't fail at all, everyone that support twinking is a failure in my opinion, because it's one of the worse thing in this game.

This post has been edited by wolfen: 14 December 2011 - 09:42 AM

[CMBlackVelvet]

Cheers everyone,

First things first, I want to briefly introduce myself.
I will take over the Community Management part of Aion UK in future. If it comes to gaming experience in Aion, I still am a newbie in a lot of ways. But I am trying to adapt (for your general curiosity: My highest character is a Level 44 cleric). In general, yes I play bigger MMOs and also the pay to play ones.
If you have any personal questions which is not related to the announcement and the future of Aion, don't hesitate to ask . I usually don't bite.

However, bare with me as I need to get used to the forums and the network as well as getting to know the community here step by step. I will try to collect all the questions which arised already and try to reply accordingly.

Also thanks Nobody for the cooperation

This post has been edited by CMBlackVelvet: 14 December 2011 - 09:51 AM