[Luuska]

Rastekkel, on 17 December 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

So let's get things straight:

1. Gameforge will copy NCsoft's current Cashshop
2. Prices will drop from 12,99 to 9,99, and you get more from it

And your conclusion is, you will not enjoy the game because of the insane cash shop?
Sir, i have to ask you, what are you smoking?

Imo, they should add the Felicitous socketing/OK enchand boxes for soft prices, they can do this cause they already lowered the prices, and it solves some of the RNG pain.

Funfact: Tera is being published by gameforge, and if you're gonna be like, Hurrrr it's frogster, no it's not, gameforge owns frogster.

`Rast

Dont you think you're being abit naive? You seriously expect them to run the game with smaller monthly fees than nc did and jsut copy the old cash shop? Basicly offer the same thing we had before (even more), but cheaper? If Nc couldnt afford to keep on runnig the game for us with 13€/month how do u expect GF to do that with jsut 10€/month. Its obvious aion will be p2w, because its the only way they can run the game and make profit. Unless they're some nice charity comppany, wich i highly doubt.

[Jinxied]

Shadowsword8, on 18 December 2011 - 01:08 AM, said:

You're aware that the AP cap is used to limit AP trading, right? Just removing it might do more harm than good. And how many people are really bothered by it anyway? A bare handfull of guys who already finished their stuff, and thus don't have much use for more AP? The average pvper with unfinished stuff never reach it.

Like I give a nyerk how many people reach AP cap lol... This is limiting the PvP in Aion,one of the many reasons so many pvp wise people to leave and one of the many reasons this game NOT to prosper. Will you feel good playing if you are capped on the kinah/items drop in the instances/world grind?!...

Nowadays cap is nyerking rediculous,you can barely make a profit out of PvP or even if you do it's nothing compared to the PvE one you can do for the same amount of time lol...

AP trading can easily be monitored by an Online GM or a simple program detecting anyone who reaches big amounts of APs gain for certain period of time,check it out and take the proper actions.Instead we are nyerked with gaining 100 APs per kill and loosing as much as 4k+ depending on our rank... AWESOME!

Luuska, on 18 December 2011 - 03:58 AM, said:

Its obvious aion will be p2w, because its the only way they can run the game and make profit.

I beg to differ

If GF takes a "lil" control over the game in EU they will make some nice profit WITHOUT implenting a Cash Shop with "nasty" items in it. If they give us what we want (especially in PvP) regardless of NcSoft's control,I can bet they are going to attract more people in the game. Buuuuut,this requires to have some balls in order to be done...................... which makes me think it wont happen :<

[Wolfen]

Rastekkel, on 17 December 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

Funfact: Tera is being published by gameforge, and if you're gonna be like, Hurrrr it's frogster, no it's not, gameforge owns frogster.

As far as i know Gameforge bought the 60% of Frogster shares, so in a way they "own" them, true, but you're missing some main points;
1) Frogster (which i belive is not a so good company itself) still have his employers/employees (which i belive will be more than 38 for the TERA launch).
2) TERA will be a P2P mmorpg (hence no cash shop).
3) We can choose to play on the NA servers (runned by En Masse).

Now, it's clear that you're a Gameforge "fanboy", because you belive that a F2P company that bought the license of a P2P game that were already doing bad will give the same service for a less price. I truly hope that you're right, but sadly, i don't really think so.

This post has been edited by wolfen: 18 December 2011 - 04:51 AM

[Luuska]

Jinxied, on 18 December 2011 - 04:32 AM, said:

I beg to differ

If GF takes a "lil" control over the game in EU they will make some nice profit WITHOUT implenting a Cash Shop with "nasty" items in it. If they give us what we want (especially in PvP) regardless of NcSoft's control,I can bet they are going to attract more people in the game. Buuuuut,this requires to have some balls in order to be done...................... which makes me think it wont happen :<

This only applies if GF can attract loads of new players and honestly with their "subscription" model i cant really see that happening unless they do something like 1st month free gold pack for new players. Why? Well, because when new player starts to play as a starter what does he/she see? Nice gfx, but no content. Some instances with loooong cd's, no broker, no personal shops, limited chat, etc. Dont see any one getting hooked on game with that little content available. If they give gold pack free (1st month) for new players then it might and propably would work. Only down side is that gold sellers would get full access for month, thne transfer kinah on to new account and repeat again and again. Still, I dont think they can draw new players in game whit out offering them full content 1st and getting them hooked on benefits that gold pack offers.

[SethGod]

Luuska, on 18 December 2011 - 05:28 AM, said:

This only applies if GF can attract loads of new players and honestly with their "subscription" model i cant really see that happening unless they do something like 1st month free gold pack for new players.

actually they should've kept same cd's for vets and make gold pack smth worth paying for even actual "veterans" by having further reduced cd's etc.

instead they did it backwards and I doubt we can still blame the stupid @ss KOR mentality on this one... I think GF/EU are digging their own hole... or maybe they just want us to move the fk on from this game with nice gfx (cause that's all there is to it ) and migrate to their new crap pve game that will maybe come out in ... march or smth (yes I am talking about B&S)

[.Rast]

Luuska, on 18 December 2011 - 03:58 AM, said:

Dont you think you're being abit naive? You seriously expect them to run the game with smaller monthly fees than nc did and jsut copy the old cash shop? Basicly offer the same thing we had before (even more), but cheaper? If Nc couldnt afford to keep on runnig the game for us with 13€/month how do u expect GF to do that with jsut 10€/month. Its obvious aion will be p2w, because its the only way they can run the game and make profit. Unless they're some nice charity comppany, wich i highly doubt.

I think any game can ben run for 9,99 a month.
And due to Gameforge opening a big part to F2P but yet pushing them to buy A gold package for a reasonable price is going to earn them alot more money then Ncsoft ever did.

This is what aion should have been from the start.
And yes, I do fear F2P company's, but I've just had 2 years of Ncsoft on AionEU, and I really doubt it could get any worse.

They had the wrong goals from the start, NCwest is not European in any way, that's why we had zero active GM's, we just had a guy from America copy/pasting what was being posted on American forums once in a while. In the entire 2 years of the game I have not seen NCwest every listening to their customers once untill the last manastone/enchantment stone event maybe, but that's 27 months after release.

So yeah, now that people are hopping the anti f2p bandwagon, realise how well NCsoft handled your questions or complaints in the past 2 years.

[Slash2n]

i think this system its ok and will work very good on short period.

[Muka]

Rastekkel, on 17 December 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

Funfact: Tera is being published by gameforge, and if you're gonna be like, Hurrrr it's frogster, no it's not, gameforge owns frogster.

`Rast

Not really important to the main topic, but I really don't care.

According to their corporate page, GF bought most of Frogster and sat a GF goon on the review board along with the current Frogster chairmen.

From what I gather, Frogster still retains control of their actions for now. Not that such thing is a great thing anyway, since Frogster doesn't have a brilliant history either.

It's worth noting that Frogster is the last on the chain fo command for tera and it's unlikely they have any real say on the game, so most feedback will simply be bridged to EME, which is indeed (at least aparently right now) more closely involved with tera than NCWest ever was with Aion. Time will tell.

It's also worth remembering that Arenanet is 100% owned and controled by NCSoft Korea. One can assume in a similar fashion to Frogster/GameForge.

EDIT: God damn it, I didn't notice there was a full page left to read. Sorry, this was already said before.

This post has been edited by Muka: 18 December 2011 - 07:00 AM

[CMBlackVelvet]

Froggies as we call them internally are part of us, yes but they pretty much remain seperate from our company.
And they are very cooperative and helpful. Even for Aion.

I can understand your fear of f2p companies and our company doesn't have the most brilliant reputation ever on earth but we are trying to change things. That's what I meant with "setting new standards" somewhere (I think on the official forums, not sure anymore, so confusing with too many boards to manage). After all, we don't publish a game as awesome as Aion to destroy it.
Yet I don't want anyone to convince to love our company. It is up to your decision and judgement and I just collect the feedback and bring feedback back to you.

*goes back a few pages to find questions*

[delacroix]

Velvet instead of scouring this thread why not create a new thread with poll and see actual statistics whether or not the new system is good or not? Polls are more accurate data and better for you than random questions from random people don't you think?

[CMBlackVelvet]

Well, the general output would be the same as what I can read out of the posts of a lot of people here.
Which would be: "ugh, please...change it back, we don't want this nyerk"
I prefer text and arguments and discussions from "random people" rather than pure numbers.
Of course statistics are always nice to show numbers to my bosses but those do not help for now.
We can do that later of course but it wouldn't change the fact that I need to collect questions and answer them anyways which will end up in me browsing this thread anyways :P. And don't forget collecting all your arguments.

[Mafarrona]

CMBlackVelvet, on 18 December 2011 - 07:44 AM, said:

Froggies as we call them internally are part of us, yes but they pretty much remain seperate from our company.
And they are very cooperative and helpful. Even for Aion.

I can understand your fear of f2p companies and our company doesn't have the most brilliant reputation ever on earth but we are trying to change things. That's what I meant with "setting new standards" somewhere (I think on the official forums, not sure anymore, so confusing with too many boards to manage). After all, we don't publish a game as awesome as Aion to destroy it.
Yet I don't want anyone to convince to love our company. It is up to your decision and judgement and I just collect the feedback and bring feedback back to you.

*goes back a few pages to find questions*

F2P games in the past due to it's business core : "the ones who spend the most money are the best" is what people are afraid and that always look upon. However if a new marketing process is created, more like a F2P - P2P hybrid, with a cash shop that has no real impact on the game mechanics itself, specially to the PVP part of it (i care less if XP bonuses, and crap like that exists in the cash shop), then it would be a good transition.

Imo, it's better not to give that huge disadvantages to the player base, specially in Europe where the old tradicional F2P market is at the bottom of the playerbase trust.

But, as i have stated, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to GF, to see how they are trying to make this transition. Then and only then i will decide if i'll leave Aion for good.

The ball it's in your court now! Depends on you how you throw it back to us!

[shemals]

i think you need to look a little bit more deeper.

Aion going f2p will have 3 main goals

1- to attract the hard core f2p players . f2p players take their f2p gaming very seriously. and what most of them want is a way to get p2p content "cash shop items etc" without paying any money. these people are known in f2p games as FARMERS. they farm mats and other in game items and try to use that to get the cash shop items. this is done by making money in game and then buying "perineum money" that they can use to get things from the cash shop. this "perineum money" has different names depending on the game. in perfect world it is called "zen" for example. in other games it is called gold. in aion it is not possible since the only way to get cash shop items is to have a credit card or paypal account. plus the game doesn't have an in game cash shop.

2-to keep the people who like the subscription based model. but i think you can successfully do that with the "gold account". paying 9 euros a month and having the full game experience is good for those players. but you must also not turn them off by putting game breaking items in your cash shop. plus you must fix many of the problems that ncsoft west has created . like the strange rules. for example making certain location not accessible to players . and you must notice that people who like subscription games value quality and want good support.

3- finally to get the cash shop addicts . i mean by that people who like f2p games , because they dont have the discipline or patience to "PLAY THE GAME" and they want to pay to win.these players are like addicts , they hop from one game to another . you must notice that these kind of players usually end up killing many f2p games.

so i think that you need to find balance if you want to win them all. or make some difficult choices and decide which type of games you want.

plus the funny thing is...the only way for a f2p game to be successful is to be pvp focused . thats why in all f2p games you will find pvp is a major issue. but when you see how ncsoft nerfed the pvp in the game sooo much, i dont think people will even care or want to get into it.

This post has been edited by shemals: 18 December 2011 - 09:22 AM

[Estremoz]

I came up with an idea about CD issues:

You just give the veterans the same cooldowns as they are right now and for the gold ones you put some kind of countdown with instances, I'll explain it better. For example you want to go to SR:

-The starter gets his 22 hours CD after going in.

-The veteran gets his 3 hours CD after going in. (Just like now)

-The Gold player go in and doesn't get cooldown, after that he goes in for a second time/third time then his CD starts to count down. (He can repeat 2-3 times until he gets CD)

It would make ppl not to start raging/complaining about this issue and ppl who pay will get their gear/kinah faster. It also means more groups to go with and a better economy in broker.

P.S. Sorry for my english. I don't know If you understand me.

This post has been edited by Estremoz: 18 December 2011 - 09:35 AM

[Jinxied]

Rastekkel, on 18 December 2011 - 06:49 AM, said:

In the entire 2 years of the game I have not seen NCwest every listening to their customers once untill the last manastone/enchantment stone event maybe, but that's 27 months after release.

These events came from Korea,NcWest just copy/pasted them. Sadly they didnt hear us even this time... :<

Muka, on 18 December 2011 - 06:54 AM, said:

It's also worth remembering that Arenanet is 100% owned and controled by NCSoft Korea.

WAT

[Maurin]

Luuska, on 18 December 2011 - 03:58 AM, said:

Dont you think you're being abit naive? You seriously expect them to run the game with smaller monthly fees than nc did and jsut copy the old cash shop? Basicly offer the same thing we had before (even more), but cheaper? If Nc couldnt afford to keep on runnig the game for us with 13€/month how do u expect GF to do that with jsut 10€/month. Its obvious aion will be p2w, because its the only way they can run the game and make profit. Unless they're some nice charity comppany, wich i highly doubt.

and I think most are too naive to think who and how ppl use a cash shop. It#s the casual players
who run things not the forum warrious or the no-lifers.

In my Lotro clan all casuals they spend like 10-20 euro per month only for cosmetics etc beside the
monthly subscription. As we talked about it in our clan meeting, I was like: lol - what? I haven't
even bought 1 item. Gameforge doesn't even need to add anything pvp related to the shop.

[shemals]

@Maurin

cut the bs man...the people who use the cash shop the most are usually unemployed losers who cant do anything on their own in a game or in life..so they waste their unemployment benefits on a stupid game to make them feel like they have accomplished something in life.

people with a bussy real life, dont have time to care about something stupid as competing in an online game

[Muka]

Jinxied, on 18 December 2011 - 09:25 AM, said:

WAT

And I quote:

Quote

ArenaNet is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Korean company NCsoft, publishers of other MMORPGs such as City of Heroes and Lineage 2.

On September 10 2008 NCsoft decided to unite ArenaNet with NC Interactive, NC Europe and NC Austin under the management of a new organization, NC West, based in Seattle by the end of 2008.

Source: http://wiki.guildwar...m/wiki/ArenaNet
(You can find it in any official source)

Yes, that means "NCWest" will handle Guild Wars 2. The same "NCWest" that handled Aion.

I hope you were just being sarcastic, else I've been the bearer of bad news for you.

This post has been edited by Muka: 18 December 2011 - 10:21 AM

[shemals]

lol

[Jinxied]

Muka, on 18 December 2011 - 10:20 AM, said:

And I quote:



Source: http://wiki.guildwar...m/wiki/ArenaNet
(You can find it in any official source)

Yes, that means "NCWest" will handle Guild Wars 2. The same "NCWest" that handled Aion.

I hope you were just being sarcastic, else I've been the bearer of bad news for you.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


That's just hopelesssssssssss :<<< Damn,not even gonna try GW2 then...gonna be the same as Aion...pff