[filthydani]

No matter how i improve my gear they still own me easily, it has been like that since launch 2 years ago, clerics kite me easily and mages cc me till i die without me touching them, thats lame.

[0____________o]

UD so they cant root, Strengthen Wings for MR, High Crit for KD. Glads are seriously not this hard

[Milliardo]

0____________o, on 11 January 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

UD so they cant root, Strengthen Wings for MR, High Crit for KD. Glads are seriously not this hard

UD doesnt stop root, guess you made a typo and meant stun...

Anyways, imo its better to safe Strengthen wings for the crucial moments.

A smart Cleric will safe his remove shock when really needed or when he get aerial holded, but since there arent many smart people around you just need to make the Cleric waste removeshock.

Oh and if you want to play it easymode, you could also get a MR set.

About Sorc, its a total different story, a good Sorc will win most of the time. You just need to be lucky with silence godstones.

[reflexion]

get a MR set, your best hope or hope it's a baddie

[lagevogel]

vs cleric the best chance u get is just use a MR set. This forces them to go MA set and sacrifice mr ( not really usefull against glad ) / hp set. If he doesnt have a ma set its really easy, just dps till he dies since he hardly touches u and pot Storm of Aion right away if it EVER hits ! Vs a good cleric its impossible to win ( only if u proc silence atleast 3 times / knock down permantenly ) because a good cleric will use hp set + blind setup ( if u dont have a MR set ). Cover blind while u use berserk and gl doing 13kdmg without being able to CONSTANT dps and high attack !

Vs sorc also use a MR set if u have it ( they have to use ma set or Magic Boost I, but if they use ma set they have low hp ) Using an HP set is also nice to survive their burst but a good sorc will just rape u even with high hp. The best tactic is to prebuff SW + ud and run towards sorc. If u see them cast vaizel run back a few sec so his vaizel wont work that good ( for sorc that start right away with flame - frost - silence - root - magma etc ). By running away u force them to go back and waste time of their Magic boost I and they might cc u 1 min to be sure that strengthen wings wont come in between their dot dot silence root rotation. But by doing this they also waste their magic boost i, so they end up with lower mb and lower hp ( ma set ) to hit u properly. During cc's u can hit the sorc with cleave / attacks and if ur lucky proc silence or knockdown. If u end up in cc after the 1 min and they do the flame fusion - frost - silence - root on u, i would suggest to charge away asap after u wake up and kite flame fusion, then buff berserk arround 2 seconds left of flame fusion and charge at the sorc ( high chance to kill them here because they are ''weak'' since they have to cc u to gain control and takes time ). If they cast BoIC u are pretty much dead ( i win button against glad ). To win from a sorc u need LUCK, u cant win by being good u only win by being lucky tbh ( root resist in strenght wings / silence proc / random knockdown ). If sorc gets u in root with silence + double debuff u could try hit him with bow to interrupt magma / inferno ( highest nukes ). If u dont u are dead vs a good sorc

Against a SM i would say a MR set is kinda useless ( because most sm's have high ma ). Would use an HP set unless u know the sm doesnt have high ma and u can resist a few skills from sm. I would wait for the body root / silence if they ever do that. They will never come close to u, so after body root is over u have a small chance to win. U charge at the SM with charge + berserk and try to kill him in 1 nuke else he will pretty much dot dot slow/bind/silence u. This is IF the sm doesnt use fear ( with fear its almost impossible, u can win vs fear / shriek by gliding but with instant its almost impossible ). Ofcourse lucky silence cleave will help a lot.

Moral of all this. Glad will never NEVER win from a magic class without RNG ( silence / random knockdowns / MR ). Its impossible and if u claim u can do that then u are just fighting a noob mage !

[Milliardo]

lagevogel, on 11 January 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

vs cleric the best chance u get is just use a MR set. This forces them to go MA set and sacrifice mr ( not really usefull against glad ) / hp set. If he doesnt have a ma set its really easy, just dps till he dies since he hardly touches u and pot Storm of Aion right away if it EVER hits ! Vs a good cleric its impossible to win ( only if u proc silence atleast 3 times / knock down permantenly ) because a good cleric will use hp set + blind setup ( if u dont have a MR set ). Cover blind while u use berserk and gl doing 13kdmg without being able to CONSTANT dps and high attack !

Vs sorc also use a MR set if u have it ( they have to use ma set or Magic Boost I, but if they use ma set they have low hp ) Using an HP set is also nice to survive their burst but a good sorc will just rape u even with high hp. The best tactic is to prebuff SW + ud and run towards sorc. If u see them cast vaizel run back a few sec so his vaizel wont work that good ( for sorc that start right away with flame - frost - silence - root - magma etc ). By running away u force them to go back and waste time of their Magic boost I and they might cc u 1 min to be sure that strengthen wings wont come in between their dot dot silence root rotation. But by doing this they also waste their magic boost i, so they end up with lower mb and lower hp ( ma set ) to hit u properly. During cc's u can hit the sorc with cleave / attacks and if ur lucky proc silence or knockdown. If u end up in cc after the 1 min and they do the flame fusion - frost - silence - root on u, i would suggest to charge away asap after u wake up and kite flame fusion, then buff berserk arround 2 seconds left of flame fusion and charge at the sorc ( high chance to kill them here because they are ''weak'' since they have to cc u to gain control and takes time ). If they cast BoIC u are pretty much dead ( i win button against glad ). To win from a sorc u need LUCK, u cant win by being good u only win by being lucky tbh ( root resist in strenght wings / silence proc / random knockdown ). If sorc gets u in root with silence + double debuff u could try hit him with bow to interrupt magma / inferno ( highest nukes ). If u dont u are dead vs a good sorc

Against a SM i would say a MR set is kinda useless ( because most sm's have high ma ). Would use an HP set unless u know the sm doesnt have high ma and u can resist a few skills from sm. I would wait for the body root / silence if they ever do that. They will never come close to u, so after body root is over u have a small chance to win. U charge at the SM with charge + berserk and try to kill him in 1 nuke else he will pretty much dot dot slow/bind/silence u. This is IF the sm doesnt use fear ( with fear its almost impossible, u can win vs fear / shriek by gliding but with instant its almost impossible ). Ofcourse lucky silence cleave will help a lot.

Moral of all this. Glad will never NEVER win from a magic class without RNG ( silence / random knockdowns / MR ). Its impossible and if u claim u can do that then u are just fighting a noob mage !

Just for the correction, Glad vs Cleric is actually the most fair fight in Aion.
Saying that Clerics will walk over glad is just a stupid thing to say, since the odds are quite even.

[Jinxied]

How is it fair to fight a full mres cleric with 8k hp and staff lol?... That's one KD rotation for the glad lol

[Ecto]

Assuming the cleric actually only has 8k hp, silence procs, or the cleric is too much of a nab to press rs

[Jinxied]

...or after using a rs and the effect is over (even after the shield skill) he gets aetherhold or kd'ed again... win-win,no?

[Ecto]

Hold on a sec here, you trying to say that gladi has advantage over cleric? Personally im in the even-stephens boat. Let's not forum duel over it naming different scenarios, just surprised :/

This post has been edited by Ectooo: 11 January 2012 - 07:00 PM

[Jinxied]

Oh and before you answer something... glads going for mres is the same as clerics going for block... wondering what will happen when those two are fighting?... Well,the fight will end when the zerg comes

It's an overgearing and will result in nothing but Mechwarrior style, making people kill themselves into your gear

Having SW up is enough to resist root once and you can get to the cleric and make him suffer... well,if you dont know how it's your fault,not your class or gear fault

PS: Oh,you already answer

This post has been edited by Jinxied: 11 January 2012 - 07:02 PM

[Milliardo]

The fact remains that Cleric and Glad is a quite even fight. Both parties have equal chance to win, its true a Cleric cant make many mistakes vs Glad than a glad vs Cleric.

And yeah 99,9% of the Glad fights I lost was due to silence or para proc.

[Ecto]

Yea i already answered. And I did so ignoring the mres/block thing. Only ever pvp'd in 50ap. Might do mres in 3.0 we'll see, but I still don't like the RNG nature of it. Using a skill like blind is cool, you press blind button I press the for fvck sake gotta kite a bit button. Dependent on resist = :/

Spoiler

If you wanna go down the scenario root then no probs, but I don't know the skill names of clerics XD. You can do a 20 second covered blind as often as I can use SW. Jinxied 1 Ecto 0 as blind is 1/3rd effect time of SW. But, you really ought to have enough hp to survive ferocious chain + KD rotation. 9.5k HP check - you do get the odd freaky crit streak 2k after 2k but outside of this Jinxied 1 Ecto 1. Not entirely sure an aether hold combo will 100 to 0 you either, on beserking yea but otherwise not likely. So if aether hold - RS and kite till SW pisses off. If silenced wait it out and after crashing blow pot to flash.

Tbh the above crap is pointless, I know if a gladi gets your in aether or on the floor when you 70% hp or lower post remove shock it is usually lights out, you're right in that regard. But if you survive the strengthen wings / beserking side of things, which you can, it becomes a case of root dot kite earth wrath rinse n repeat. Its only 1 minute after all of not being able to root us and you've got two shields, flash, hp pots etc... + if things get hairy a covered blind makes kiting childs play.

edit: Mres gladi vs mres cleric - advantage gladi sure.

This post has been edited by Ectooo: 11 January 2012 - 07:48 PM

[Jinxied]

I agree to your second part of the post.

But the glads I've dueled mainly roflstomp me on my mres sets (40e and now 55 cloth) like bawses... Why?... Well,because glads like Cez,Rastekkel and Odyne dont let me survive their berserking or SW... and usually Im so unlucky with the roots on SW that on one full duration I proc only one Oh, and I've tested on full HP to get AH and see if all my HP will drop down... well,it did.

PS: Im not using blind.

[Ecto]

Apologies, AH? aether hold? At the end of the day you are still heavily stacked for group pvp and fights against other mage classes. Gladi is the least dependent class on magical effects landing in the game after all, and you are 100% mres. Couldn't give a sh1t outside of tendon/ankle/lockdown, the pdef stuff we all know :/

I have tried a few 100 to 0 on clerics, aka stand still a sec mate, with various combos using beserkin n a +15 tac spear (yea, pvp combine). Aether hold ferocious chain crashing blow doesn't do it, even on zerk. Can argue that your 40e had a role to play in you gettin stomped and would love to do same with the cloth but that wouldnt be true.

End: If you are not slotting blind, using full mres against a nearly pure melee class then yea you are disadvantaged. Change one of these things, either mres to hp or no blind to have blind and its an even fight. Change both and maybe even throw in a bit of mboost and I'd say you have advantage.

This post has been edited by Ectooo: 12 January 2012 - 08:23 AM

[Milliardo]

Jinxied, on 12 January 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

I agree to your second part of the post.

But the glads I've dueled mainly roflstomp me on my mres sets (40e and now 55 cloth) like bawses... Why?... Well,because glads like Cez,Rastekkel and Odyne dont let me survive their berserking or SW... and usually Im so unlucky with the roots on SW that on one full duration I proc only one Oh, and I've tested on full HP to get AH and see if all my HP will drop down... well,it did.

PS: Im not using blind.

You are doing something wrong man.

[Ater Eva]

Glad with high MRes set? Easy win for gladi. Impossible for cleric.

Cleric with high block set? Easy win for cleric, possible for gladi, but cleric needs to fail alot or godstones/randomstumbles have to proc.

Concept of "1v1 in Aion" is silly, too much RNG, 0 coordination.

[lagevogel]

Ectooo, on 12 January 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

I have tried a few 100 to 0 on clerics, aka stand still a sec mate, with various combos using beserkin n a +15 tac spear (yea, pvp combine). Aether hold ferocious chain crashing blow doesn't do it, even on zerk. Can argue that your 40e had a role to play in you gettin stomped and would love to do same with the cloth but that wouldnt be true.

try random attack - aerial - weave - piercing rupture - tendon slice - weave - final strike - crashing blow ! did this on rwina with his hp set ( ~11k hp ) and he died on final strike :p . But this combo can do like 5k dmg or 13k dmg ( depends on nyerkty crit rng .. )

[Jinxied]

Ectooo, on 12 January 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

Apologies, AH? aether hold? At the end of the day you are still heavily stacked for group pvp and fights against other mage classes. Gladi is the least dependent class on magical effects landing in the game after all, and you are 100% mres. Couldn't give a sh1t outside of tendon/ankle/lockdown, the pdef stuff we all know :/

I have tried a few 100 to 0 on clerics, aka stand still a sec mate, with various combos using beserkin n a +15 tac spear (yea, pvp combine). Aether hold ferocious chain crashing blow doesn't do it, even on zerk. Can argue that your 40e had a role to play in you gettin stomped and would love to do same with the cloth but that wouldnt be true.

End: If you are not slotting blind, using full mres against a nearly pure melee class then yea you are disadvantaged. Change one of these things, either mres to hp or no blind to have blind and its an even fight. Change both and maybe even throw in a bit of mboost and I'd say you have advantage.

AH = aetherhold,yeah.

Instead of see what I have in my gear as stones people throw something like: you are bad and I can beat this glad with 30e HP set and MB staff

PS: Oh,the HP set and MB advice... naaaahhh,it's more challenging with mres

This post has been edited by Jinxied: 12 January 2012 - 10:45 AM

[Ecto]

Im elyos so no piercing, but yea -insert fast animation skill here-. You do the same pretty much same as me, situation permitting, crashing blow instead of piercing, which if timed right at end of aerial gives an extra split-second advantage to us instead of them just coming out of aerial to their feet. N ofc weaves between attacks where possible, didn't feel the detail was needed. Can manage 5 swings in aerial, including crashing. Not sure I'd use tendon slice in aerial either, being honest, off hand I cant remember if effect sticks or not after aether is over, but it dm I'd save it probs anyways. Sounds sort of like its something you got a 2 or 3% chance of happening, top part of the pole's dmg range + critting on that a few times in a row.