I agree on the video title : it is a fail. On the other hand, as troll Jinxie is, i appreciate that he had the balls to show his failure. There's not much ppl having the gutts.
daggeroya, on 08 February 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:
<br />I fought shuba or adine on +10 eternal gear with mr +bakarma +15+all eternal pvp acc with my crappy +2ma set and +2ma staff and yes they are overgearing me but cleric still stand a chance. 1: If you cant earn money for mA set(I can understand it not everyone can farm 4 ap sets) dont show fights vs mr enemys when you cant win. 2: 20% chances>0% chances to win, if you have a MA set use it even if its +1 instead of just running and dying.<br /><br />Also I made test with lobotomizer for 3 stun sorc. before watch:<br /><br /><br />-Its just a test not full pvp, haters gtfo.<br />-I must say I werent able to kill him on lots of fights without aether hold resist or random mistakes.<br />-Ofc that tactic dont works 100%, he killed me lots of times across HoTs.<br />-Yes sorc can out cc my hots but cc may fail without sof or magic assist.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-3IAtEwT64&feature=youtu.be' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be</a><br /><br />you could try it vs setys.<br />
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Says the video is private... Hence i'm not able to see it. Solution ?
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@dagger - what if the sorc has a ma set?D: cc all hots, buff, proceed to normal rotation (or simpy just use a mb set and nuke u anyway?D: dunno which set he was using in that fight tho..)
Simple as this... when Im in DG I need to move my mouse over every mob which takes time and it's kinda inconvenient... same goes when I see sorc and I want to pull a mob on me.
I got "the PvP tab" on Caps...but dont really use it... not used to it.
Already tried few times to play w/o "the PvE tab"... it doesnt work.
In a supposed "PvP zone" there shouldnt have any mobs anyway...
This post has been edited by Jinxied: 08 February 2012 - 11:19 AM
@dagger - what if the sorc has a ma set?D: cc all hots, buff, proceed to normal rotation (or simpy just use a mb set and nuke u anyway?D: dunno which set he was using in that fight tho..)
A sorc cant reach 2350 ma without magic assist or SoF, the sorc is already using ma set ofc. Yes he can use sleep/tree/ss/sleep without buffs trying to out-cc hots,could be 65-75% sucess rate each cc, but with 2-3-4 fails in a row sorc could get hitted hard(cleric with sages+devotion).
This post has been edited by daggeroya: 08 February 2012 - 12:25 PM
I fought shuba or adine on +10 eternal gear with mr +bakarma +15+all eternal pvp acc with my crappy +2ma set and +2ma staff and yes they are overgearing me but cleric still stand a chance. 1: If you cant earn money for mA set(I can understand it not everyone can farm 4 ap sets) dont show fights vs mr enemys when you cant win. 2: 20% chances>0% chances to win, if you have a MA set use it even if its +1 instead of just running and dying.
Also I made test with lobotomizer for 3 stun sorc. before watch:
-Its just a test not full pvp, haters gtfo.
-I must say I werent able to kill him on lots of fights without aether hold resist or random mistakes.
-Ofc that tactic dont works 100%, he killed me lots of times across HoTs.
-Yes sorc can out cc my hots but cc may fail without sof or magic assist.
you could try it vs setys.
you're stacking full mres... that sorc doesnt need to CC you if he also has full mres and ele ward therefore you just wasted your hots / buffs for nothing, you change armour to MA? he can CC you and then what GG you're nyerked
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A sorc cant reach 2350 ma without magic assist or SoF, the sorc is already using ma set ofc. Yes he can use sleep/tree/ss/sleep without buffs trying to out-cc hots,could be 65-75% sucess rate each cc, but with 2-3-4 fails in a row sorc could get hitted hard(cleric with sages+devotion).
then he could just use mb set and nuke u, since hes got magic assist + sof
Simple as this... when Im in DG I need to move my mouse over every mob which takes time and it's kinda inconvenient... same goes when I see sorc and I want to pull a mob on me.
I got "the PvP tab" on Caps...but dont really use it... not used to it.
Already tried few times to play w/o "the PvE tab"... it doesnt work.
In a supposed "PvP zone" there shouldnt have any mobs anyway...
The dredgion is not really a PvP zone, and there you should have marks on asmodians anyway, so i agree with using the PvE tab there.
But on PvP zones (which are always full of mobs) the PvE tab is really annoying, since it could lead you to target mobs during PvP (like it happened many times on the small part of the video that i watched before closing it).
You can easily target a mob with the mouse if you want to pull him when you're against a sorc, like i can target mobs with my mouse when i need to Ambush/Dash Attack them in order to run away from the zerg, but surely the time that you "waste" in order to mouse target a mob is not comparable to the time that you waste in order to re-target the sorc/any other enemy with the tab.
But then, everyone uses what he thinks it's best for him, it's just that targeting mobs during PvP could "nerf" you, like clicking skills.
This post has been edited by wolfen: 08 February 2012 - 01:20 PM
you're stacking full mres... that sorc doesnt need to CC you if he also has full mres and ele ward therefore you just wasted your hots / buffs for nothing, you change armour to MA? he can CC you and then what GG you're nyerked
Well its not so simply, yes sorc could try randoms cc without buffs and mr set(1500 ma vs 2350 mr? very low proc rate and elemental ward probably its not slotted, SoF and SS are more important) and change set to ma when cc procs. But even a 2200 mr sorc cant stand forever vs cleric so could be risky. But suppse MR sorc without buffs cc fast MR cleric then switch to MA set and start(buffed) faceroll stun+debuffs+silence/aetherhold rotation. cleric will use impervious veil and then the massive HoTs tactic I showed and maybe could kite off magic assist. Ofc sorc have big advantage but cleric stands a chance.
sooteh, on 08 February 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:
then he could just use mb set and nuke u, since hes got magic assist + sof
Dont know what you mean with "mb set, magic assist+sof and burst". If cleric see sof+magic assist at the same time he would break removeshock-> impervious veil and try to kite during 1 min stacking HoTs when shield is gone in order to kite off magic assist.
This post has been edited by daggeroya: 08 February 2012 - 02:39 PM
so sof - stun - removeshock - cc - magic assist + ma set - aetherholdblabla
what ever u come up with im quite sure a good sorc would come up with a counterrotation in a few days anyway
Not that way, if sorc start with mb set+sof+magic assist for max dps I´ll use impervious veil,after 30 sec or when sorc break it im free to stack hots and sorc in ma set+magic assist could fail on burst me, using Sof+magic assist at the same time its not a good idea.
I dueled best sorcs in telemachus and my main problem is: Sorc use Sof for out-CC my HoTs without sufering damage , then magic assist and I must use removeshock-> impervious veil on arcane/ilusion storm. After that I need some seconds before reuse splendor of rebirth(noble grace/amplification with cd so my healing power is lower) and most of times sorc kills me. As I said before I werent able to defeat lobotomizer without aether hold resist or other mistakes which allowed me to kite magic assist.
Yeah i guess sof and magic assist at the same time isnt such a great idea, but like u said - sof for cc hots, then magic assist and ma set. Im sure a good sorc could nuke anyone even if hes in ma set anyway really
Also u should remember that imperious veil isnt impossible to kill, it only tanks 8k dmg, which is off fast with simply root freezing wind and flamebolt spam
Also I made test with lobotomizer for 3 stun sorc. before watch:
you could try it vs setys.
that lobo-facerolling-rota has too many mistakes in it to work; u can notice that he's landing the covered silence and then he forgets to root you and also forgets to do lava before aether hold (he does it after for no reason tho)... if he would do it in a proper order you'd die 100% (especially since u have UNDER 9000 hp :// )
also where are those 3-stuns? I only see IS and AH
@jinx: too bad you didnt leave the fight when u choose not to remove shock on initial stun to show (again) what happens vs a good dmging rotation even with "only" ~2200 m.boost when I was in my m.acc set
sooteh, on 08 February 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:
@dagger - what if the sorc has a ma set?D: cc all hots, buff, proceed to normal rotation (or simpy just use a mb set and nuke u anyway?D: dunno which set he was using in that fight tho..)
Cant equal m.r. gear with a m.acc set alone anymore even if u have all them good sets/jewels/phone-books; game is just stupid like that at THIS moment; 3.0 will narrow that gap but it will require nyerkload of grind and not sure how many (Sorcs) would care enough to do it all over again (new jewels/ new weapon/2ndary combine wep...)
daggeroya, on 08 February 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:
Not that way, if sorc start with mb set+sof+magic assist for max dps I´ll use impervious veil,after 30 sec or when sorc break it im free to stack hots and sorc in ma set+magic assist could fail on burst me, using Sof+magic assist at the same time its not a good idea.
a good dmging rotation wont fail to burst a less than 9000 hp cleric... even if he's in m.acc set; why go over this again?
daggeroya, on 08 February 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:
I dueled best sorcs in telemachus and my main problem is: Sorc use Sof for out-CC my HoTs without sufering damage , then magic assist and I must use removeshock-> impervious veil on arcane/ilusion storm. After that I need some seconds before reuse splendor of rebirth(noble grace/amplification with cd so my healing power is lower) and most of times sorc kills me. As I said before I werent able to defeat lobotomizer without aether hold resist or other mistakes which allowed me to kite magic assist.
dagger if all those "best sorcs on TL" are doing same crap you showed us in lobo-3stuns-vid
no wonder they fail to kill you even if u have under 9000 hp
besides I was using my SW set + SoF for capped m.boost and pvp dmg when bursting after jinx was forced to RS in the initial stun; and you wont survive that kind of burst unless you have 17k+ hp (it can actually do even more dmg depending on my crits and I got more spell crit than deliq used to have => 282)...
anyway I'll skip on flaming further the sorcs of TL and I'll just invite you on "www.notaion.com" ; I guarantee you that you'll find loads of GG Sorcs there that will blast u off so badly that will make your "best TL Sorcs" look... let's just say not that experienced
that lobo-facerolling-rota has too many mistakes in it to work; u can notice that he's landing the covered silence and then he forgets to root you and also forgets to do lava before aether hold (he does it after for no reason tho)... if he would do it in a proper order you'd die 100% (especially since u have UNDER 9000 hp :// )
also where are those 3-stuns? I only see IS and AH
@jinx: too bad you didnt leave the fight when u choose not to remove shock on initial stun to show (again) what happens vs a good dmging rotation even with "only" ~2200 m.boost when I was in my m.acc set
Cant equal m.r. gear with a m.acc set alone anymore even if u have all them good sets/jewels/phone-books; game is just stupid like that at THIS moment; 3.0 will narrow that gap but it will require nyerkload of grind and not sure how many (Sorcs) would care enough to do it all over again (new jewels/ new weapon/2ndary combine wep...)
a good dmging rotation wont fail to burst a less than 9000 hp cleric... even if he's in m.acc set; why go over this again?
dagger if all those "best sorcs on TL" are doing same crap you showed us in lobo-3stuns-vid
no wonder they fail to kill you even if u have under 9000 hp
besides I was using my SW set + SoF for capped m.boost and pvp dmg when bursting after jinx was forced to RS in the initial stun; and you wont survive that kind of burst unless you have 17k+ hp (it can actually do even more dmg depending on my crits and I got more spell crit than deliq used to have => 282)...
anyway I'll skip on flaming further the sorcs of TL and I'll just invite you on "www.notaion.com" ; I guarantee you that you'll find loads of GG Sorcs there that will blast u off so badly that will make your "best TL Sorcs" look... let's just say not that experienced
Third stun comes after that and ill use impervious veil on it.
Lava tsunami just do 1k+- damage more than freezing, his aether hold started on 80% of hp with lava I would be on 100%. Anyway its only an example(I could have more hp/pvp def on his same gear/enchants),A cleric can survive aetherhold rotation with the sorc on ma set using all those hots. Also I dont expect a sorc burst across all that HoTs I´m using that for make them lose magic assist/sof time.
You are substimating telemachus people, probably you would find here some people on your skill level.
Well,we(ok,I did) agreed to remove the short fights where silence is covered instantly and Im getting bursted... they are too short and show nothing from my point of view since I dont even do one skill...
I expected to resist "something" in all those fights since our MA and MRES are quite equal but all that happened were few root resists followed by nuke spells....
Anyway,let's wait and see what is going to be changed in 3.0... I guess nothing. I mean,I dont see how removing RS on covered silence will help me survive a burst since I'll still need to wait for the full silence duration to pass so I can dispel myself and heal up... pots only wont be enough
Oh and the problem is not to survive the aetherhold or kite MA skills... the problem is the stun + burst rotations... Sorcs(in general)are hitting over my mres w/o MA skills... soooooooooooooooo
This post has been edited by Jinxied: 08 February 2012 - 05:57 PM
Third stun comes after that and ill use impervious veil on it.
Lava tsunami just do 1k+- damage more than freezing, his aether hold started on 80% of hp with lava I would be on 100%. Anyway its only an example(I could have more hp/pvp def on his same gear/enchants),A cleric can survive aetherhold rotation with the sorc on ma set using all those hots. Also I dont expect a sorc burst across all that HoTs I´m using that for make them lose magic assist/sof time.
lava did 2000 dmg (you can see at the end of the vid) and that's more than 20% from your 88xx hp, if he wouldn't fk up the rotation like that and do the lava BEFORE the fking aerial it would kill you.
I took ~14k hp from sleven in my 2.6 vid and lobo cant take off less than 9000 hp from you?
....and u still insisting on "same level" in TL server? than show me someone that does a proper rotation, not that crap from earlier ok?
srsly now, just find a sorc that can do a dmg rotation properly or just come to that lolserver and I will show u what I mean by "good dmging rotation"...
Jinxied, on 08 February 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:
Well,we(ok,I did) agreed to remove the short fights where silence is covered instantly and Im getting bursted... they are too short and show nothing from my point of view since I dont even do one skill...
yes jinx but we're stuck with dagger-the-immortal/(non-believer) cleric again that thinks that sorc isn't able to blast him off when he doesnt remove shock... so in case u still have that fight saved up when u didnt remove shock and u lasted longer cause u were using HP gear or smth like that... just edit it and put it here or smth...
Nah,I dont want this to be turned into the same thing that happened in his thread
It's true that there is a slight chance to win against a sorc... but you need to be either extremely fast and agile or sorc to make a mistake or RNG to happen in your favour...
Oh,well... Im not that fast,neither everyone is playing on the same circumstances in real life so dunno why we/you are going on with that nyerk...
HP or MB gear seems to be the best solution against a sorc but it really depends how the sorc will start and what time will give you... I've seen glads with +15 bakarmas/zapiels before too... with mres gear as well... but never seen such a truck comin into my face as Wormweed lol...
lava did 2000 dmg (you can see at the end of the vid) and that's more than 20% from your 88xx hp, if he wouldn't fk up the rotation like that and do the lava BEFORE the fking aerial it would kill you.
I took ~14k hp from sleven in my 2.6 vid and lobo cant take off less than 9000 hp from you?
....and u still insisting on "same level" in TL server? than show me someone that does a proper rotation, not that crap from earlier ok?
srsly now, just find a sorc that can do a dmg rotation properly or just come to that lolserver and I will show u what I mean by "good dmging rotation"...
yes jinx but we're stuck with dagger-the-immortal/(non-believer) cleric again that thinks that sorc isn't able to blast him off when he doesnt remove shock... so in case u still have that fight saved up when u didnt remove shock and u lasted longer cause u were using HP gear or smth like that... just edit it and put it here or smth...
Dont tell me you didnt notice im recovering like 2500 hp every 3 seconds cause of my hots. On his rotation lobo did 980(blessed shield down with flame arpon)+686 freezing wind+778 ilusion storm+245 flame cage+935 flame fusion+1400 soul freeze+1404 freezing and 687+883+883+1456+883+2056+2100+242 from aether hold combo, more or less 14k damage. Considering sleven didnt poted flame cage+flame fusion(2-3 jumps for 250+10% overall damage) lobo did the same or even more damage on me than you on sleven. He cant add lava without sacrifing 1 freezing wind so probably Id survived anyway. And as I said he cant improve his gear but I can improve my hp/pvp def.
You never played on tele or another server so you cant call lolserver to noone, even less when your server is completely one sided..
Also I didnt attacked you for being ironic or calling me any nyerk, grow up a bit plz.
This post has been edited by daggeroya: 08 February 2012 - 07:30 PM
I fought shuba or adine on +10 eternal gear with mr +bakarma +15+all eternal pvp acc with my crappy +2ma set and +2ma staff and yes they are overgearing me but cleric still stand a chance. 1: If you cant earn money for mA set(I can understand it not everyone can farm 4 ap sets) dont show fights vs mr enemys when you cant win. 2: 20% chances>0% chances to win, if you have a MA set use it even if its +1 instead of just running and dying.
Also I made test with lobotomizer for 3 stun sorc. before watch:
-Its just a test not full pvp, haters gtfo.
-I must say I werent able to kill him on lots of fights without aether hold resist or random mistakes.
-Ofc that tactic dont works 100%, he killed me lots of times across HoTs.
-Yes sorc can out cc my hots but cc may fail without sof or magic assist.
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