[Misty]

[quote name='Konkers' timestamp='1333837683' post='2743152']
If you had read my posts - what obviously didn't happen - you would of had read that I said that I don't consider anything that is tradeable as a P2W item. What I said, however, is that the Premium Package is a much more gamebreaking item than anything that you will find on the NA shop. If you don't have it, you can't even use /3, Broker, Whispers? LOL.

Gamebreaking =/= P2W. Learn to read!
[/quote]

NA and EU are just different.
Na is removing the monthly fee keeping the game available to everybody. Of course this leads to them having to introduce extra stuff to make their cash shop appealing. I mean, if they just put in the shop stuff that you can get ingame (and I mean useful stuff, not skins), then it wouldn't have worked. So, here we are, undispellable scrolls, pots etc. Stuff that doesn't exist in game, and that nobody has a chance to have, save from the shop (and later ingame, as people will sell them).

EU did it differently. It kept the game as it was, limiting its access to the Gold Pack people. This means that the Gold Pack is equal to the old monthly fee. You pay it, you get the game like it used to be, with some added bonus to make it more appealing. You don't pay (either with RL money or with kinah, since the Gold Pack is tradable), you play a sort of demo. By doing this, GF doesn't need to sell stuff that doesn't exist in game, again, useful stuff. They introduced a couple of days ago the no-exp-loss-on-dead scrolls, but it's only available from 1 to 50. Useful to exp up but not much more than that.

So, it's really up to what people wants, since the models are so different from each other.

[BlackOrchid]

[quote]1. It's not "they're", it's "their".[/quote]

Ty for the correction Einstein, but [quote]... English is not my 1st language. [/quote]

However instead of spiting leters into the forum like there is no tomorow, you should take the time to read and analyse what the normal people are actually telling you.

Just because you are a Melee and a fail in-game with way to much time in you're hands doesn t mean that others are to. The fact is that the great majority isn't. Most bought the Game at launch (like myself) and PAYED a monthly fee ... why ? because I don't like PTW, I like a game in wich everyone has the same chances from ground zero, a game in wich everyone has exactly the same chances to get the same stuff. So the game has gone FTP ... thats life ! However the fact that it has gone FTP doesn't mean that the game needs to be screwed over night.

Now if buying a Gold pack for 9 euros is expensive, i am beting you didn't pay 12+ euros a month to play.

If next they put up scrolls to nerf you're class ... I bet you will come here crying like a litle biatch.

FyI I played open and closed beta as chanter and since the game went Gold that I am a Gladio... so meh I could be happy with the nerf, but unlike you I see how gamebreaking that is.

But still coolkids will be coolkids and geting you to understand something that is clearly beyond you're grasp is quite pointless actually. The only thing you are actually going to manage to prove is that you will be able to waste alota time to reach...nothing. It stops being fun when you have to dedicate hours on end to be able to actually reach those that do the same thing in 5 minutes, it stops being fun when you are not able to keep up with those that waste more money than you... But maturity will make you realize that...in due time.

This post has been edited by BlackOrchid: 07 April 2012 - 06:05 PM

[nlaue]

@Konkers you are trying way too hard.
@nobody yeah they took away our lineage 2 test server as well, and of course every release since f2p has been buggy as hell. Remember, ncsoft is whoring itself out here. All this extra money you pour into aion at this point is not going to go back into the product to make it better as far as support or patches go so don't expect to be getting anything more than the pixels you buy when you make your cash shop purchases.
@Konkers again, the whole crux of your obession is that things will be tradable. They might not be. It doesnt matter that you think they will be. It doesnt matter that they are in the eu or kr, and it doesnt matter if the community coordinator says they are. Community coordinators lie. Not a single thing in lineage 2 na cash shop is tradable even though they told us they would be. Infact, the one item that accidentally was tradable resulted in the servers being taken down for "emergency maintenance" because god forbid we trade cash shop items. So you keep shouting that mantra. Just don't be surprised if it turns out to be wrong.

I'm looking forward to playing some aion again for free, but it's important to go into this with both eyes open. Regular/current paying customers are about to have their wallets raped just to get back what they lost during the transition from 15 a month to infinite money a month "free" to play. Also don't be surprised when you find yourself unable to play because 10,000 greek and brazilian players are hammering the servers, plus the infinit amount of bots that have zero incentive to stop botting. It doesnt look like ncsoft learned/cared to learn from their lineage 2 f2p mistakes and I imagine you can generate an infinit amount of accounts if you want.

[Konkers]

[quote name='BlackOrchid' timestamp='1333840499' post='2743158']
Ty for the correction Einstein, but

However instead of spiting leters into the forum like there is no tomorow, you should take the time to read and analyse what the normal people are actually telling you.

Just because you are a Melee and a fail in-game with way to much time in you're hands doesn t mean that others are to. The fact is that the great majority isn't. Most bought the Game at launch (like myself) and PAYED a monthly fee ... why ? because I don't like PTW, I like a game in wich everyone has the same chances from ground zero, a game in wich everyone has exactly the same chances to get the same stuff. So the game has gone FTP ... thats life ! However the fact that it has gone FTP doesn't mean that the game needs to be screwed over night.

Now if buying a Gold pack for 9 euros is expensive, i am beting you didn't pay 12+ euros a month to play.

If next they put up scrolls to nerf you're class ... I bet you will come here crying like a litle biatch.

FyI I played open and closed beta as chanter and since the game went Gold that I am a Gladio... so meh I could be happy with the nerf, but unlike you I see how gamebreaking that is.

But still coolkids will be coolkids and geting you to understand something that is clearly beyond you're grasp is quite pointless actually. The only thing you are actually going to manage to prove is that you will be able to waste alota time to reach...nothing. It stops being fun when you have to dedicate hours on end to be able to actually reach those that do the same thing in 5 minutes, it stops being fun when you are not able to keep up with those that waste more money than you... But maturity will make you realize that...in due time.
[/quote]
Yet more assumptions...

First off: It's not "you're", it's "your".

Second: I have a full-time job (8h/day) and I'm 24.

Now that we cleared that, let's move on, shall we?
I don't like Pay to Win games as much as anyone else. In fact, I'm totally against it. In my view, all games should be Pay to Play, and that's about it. No shop, not even for cosmetics. Sadly that's not how things work.

What I mean is that you don't NEED the items that you can find on NA's shop. You can play without buying ANYTHING from the shop, and you can experience ALL THE GAME CONTENT. Literaly. All that you need to do is create your account, download the game and play it for free, with the same cooldowns for instances and the same AP bonus when you kill a player. On the EU server, you NEED to buy the Gold Premium nyerk, if not you won't experience the same thing as whoever bought it.

U$15 means nothing to me. I could spend U$50 a month and it wouldn't hurt me, but I won't, ever. U$20 is the limit for a monthly fee, and if a game is Free to Play AND you can buy the items ingame, without spending RL money, then why would you do it?

The scrolls are the only item, and I repeat, the ONLY ITEM, that could be considered Pay to Win, but again, you will be able to buy it ingame and SMs don't rely on SCROLL DISPELLS to win a fight. Only the bad ones.

[BlackOrchid]

[quote]What I mean is that you don't NEED the items that you can find on NA's shop. You can play without buying ANYTHING from the shop, and you can experience ALL THE GAME CONTENT. Literaly. All that you need to do is create your account, download the game and play it for free, with the same cooldowns for instances and the same AP bonus when you kill a player. On the EU server, you NEED to buy the Gold Premium nyerk, if not you won't experience the same thing as whoever bought it.[/quote]

Well you surely don't need them if you are going to play casual, if you are going to come in do your thing and get out. But then again you surely don t need the gold pack aswell in Europe because you will be playing casualy aswell and the CD's are just fine for someone who only plays casualy...after all its only for the fun, and the longer it taked the more fun it is.

Now if you wanna be competitive...or if you want to get there faster thats a whole diferent story.The diference is in Europe you won t be doing it at the cost of others.

And there is something that no one even mentioned so far, wich is the candy ... these are not the regular Inquin Candy forms.

SM rely on all theyr skills, if they didn t need them they wouldn't exist in game. Rangers and sins don't need hide, gladios have no need for Unwavering... so yeah BS ftw.

[Konkers]

[quote name='nlaue' timestamp='1333845144' post='2743168']
@Konkers you are trying way too hard.
(...)
@Konkers again, the whole crux of your obession is that things will be tradable. They might not be. It doesnt matter that you think they will be. It doesnt matter that they are in the eu or kr, and it doesnt matter if the community coordinator says they are. Community coordinators lie. Not a single thing in lineage 2 na cash shop is tradable even though they told us they would be. Infact, the one item that accidentally was tradable resulted in the servers being taken down for "emergency maintenance" because god forbid we trade cash shop items. So you keep shouting that mantra. Just don't be surprised if it turns out to be wrong. [/quote]
I did not said - and I beg you to quote me if I did - that ALL THE ITEMS WILL BE TRADEABLE. What I said is that the items that we have NOW are tradeable, thus making it ok FOR ME to sell them.

[quote name='nlaue' timestamp='1333845144' post='2743168']I'm looking forward to playing some aion again for free, but it's important to go into this with both eyes open. Regular/current paying customers are about to have their wallets raped just to get back what they lost during the transition from 15 a month to infinite money a month "free" to play. Also don't be surprised when you find yourself unable to play because 10,000 greek and brazilian players are hammering the servers, plus the infinit amount of bots that have zero incentive to stop botting. It doesnt look like ncsoft learned/cared to learn from their lineage 2 f2p mistakes and I imagine you can generate an infinit amount of accounts if you want.[/quote]
Again, the items that we have in the NA shop TODAY are NOT P2W in my honest opinion. The scrolls are OP, but not necessary, even if you're a hardcore PvPer, they are not a necessity. We have played untill now without them, and we will continue to do so.

[quote name='BlackOrchid' timestamp='1333849350' post='2743173']Well you surely don't need them if you are going to play casual, if you are going to come in do your thing and get out. But then again you surely don t need the gold pack aswell in Europe because you will be playing casualy aswell and the CD's are just fine for someone who only plays casualy...after all its only for the fun, and the longer it taked the more fun it is.[/quote]
You can't even [s]whisper[/s] use the Global Chat on the EU version if you don't pay for the Premium thing.
What is a casual player in your opinion? I play for 2-3h a day, what am I?

[quote name='BlackOrchid' timestamp='1333849350' post='2743173']Now if you wanna be competitive...or if you want to get there faster thats a whole diferent story.The diference is in Europe you won t be doing it at the cost of others.[/quote]
What does this mean? oO

[quote name='BlackOrchid' timestamp='1333849350' post='2743173']And there is something that no one even mentioned so far, wich is the candy ... these are not the regular Inquin Candy forms.[/quote]
It's tradeable.

[quote name='BlackOrchid' timestamp='1333849350' post='2743173']SM rely on all theyr skills, if they didn t need them they wouldn't exist in game. Rangers and sins don't need hide, gladios have no need for Unwavering... so yeah BS ftw.[/quote]
I didn't said that they don't rely on DISPELL, I said that they don't rely on dispelling SCROLLS. They can still dispell buffs, or regular scrolls since it's not everyone that will have the new ones.

Rangers having Hide is debatable. Assassins should have Hide II only, no Shadow Walk bs and the CD on All-seeying Eye should be 3mins. UD is getting nerfed... I don't need to say anything about it! UD is OP, 60-70% would be enough imho, and yes, I have a [url="http://na.aiononline.com/myaion-character-detail?charId=926209&serverId=2"]Assassin[/url] and a [url="http://na.aiononline.com/myaion-character-detail?charId=967243&serverId=2"]Gladiator[/url].

This post has been edited by Konkers: 07 April 2012 - 08:41 PM

[Aurion]

[quote name='Konkers' timestamp='1333837683' post='2743152']
If you had read my posts - what obviously didn't happen - you would of had read that I said that [b]I don't consider anything that is tradeable as a P2W item.[/b] What I said, however, is that the Premium Package is a much more gamebreaking item than anything that you will find on the NA shop. If you don't have it, you can't even use /3, Broker, Whispers? LOL.

[b]Gamebreaking =/= P2W.[/b] Learn to read!
[/quote]
Tradeable = Not P2W
P2W = Gamebreaking
Gamebreaking =/= Tradeable

Learn to read your own contradictions.

[BlackOrchid]

[quote]Now if you wanna be competitive...or if you want to get there faster thats a whole diferent story.The diference is in Europe you won t be doing it at the cost of others.[/quote]

Its simple, if you play casual, in europe you can do it without the gold pack, I have done it with my twink and he is lvl 43 now and I started when GF took over... I usualy only play it for 2hrs max a day, and with the CD's and everything I can do normal leveling. The only thing that realy afects me is the Rift events but that is transversal to both servers. Now if I wanted to lvl real fast in say 2 weeks or so, then the gold pack would make alot of sense and in fact would be mandatory...but then again if you have time to play that much you can always pay for it with in game currency.

Now with the scrolls the candys etc...I can bet you that everyone will be using them hence forcing you to buy if you wanna even have a chance of a fight, be it with in game money (for wich you need to work more) or with rl money. So in the end they will only be imparing the PvP part not the PvE, and screwing mostly one class as you say not all...is it fair? No
Is it Gamebreaking ...YES.

Your texts are full of contradictions and I realy cannot understand them,

[quote]Again, the items that we have in the NA shop TODAY are NOT P2W in my honest opinion. [/quote]

But then

[quote]The scrolls are OP, but not necessary, even if you're a hardcore PvPer, they are not a necessity.[/quote]

Again you are wrong, They won't be needed for the hardcore Pv'ER...and yes they are OP, and yes they will change the way the game is played, just the simple fact that you won't need to pay atention to the scrolls you have for 1 hr is a huge diference in PvP.

[Pear]

goatse.jpg incoming...

[tamagoyaki]

Could somebody please link the info for gold pack so konkers can shut the hell up.



jk

i think you guyses are not giving him the most important info about it.

[Nobody]

The best thing you can do for a troll is not to respond. And you'll know it's a troll when they start contradicting themselves.

I do find what nlaue says to be interesting. It fits very well with the (previous) employee feedback on NCsoft West and if you look at this year's financial report for NCsoft West they are doing fairly well in that L2 profit went up a lot. The sad thing is that if you look at their financial report then you'll notice that gw2 is front and center.

Leadership teams from NCsoft West and Arenanet were merged back in ummm... 2009? And even if Arenanet is allowed to do what they want with the game itself, the marketing and likely the cash shop are going to be very much about what their publisher and owner wants.

Which makes one nervous about what's coming down the pipeline in terms of f2p and gw2, because NCsoft West has found a winning way to make money with L2 (and now Aion). I'll give a bet that every game that NCsoft publishes in the west for a while is going to take into account what they've (obviously) learned with L2. That would go for Blade and Soul and then Wildstar as well.

[tamagoyaki]

im not sure they found a winning way in L2. the buff scrolls fails because you can have your own buff slave. and i really never saw anyone on my server(chronos) sporting store mounts, agathions, or the awesome headpieces including the fancy flower hat. in fact im starting to think cash shop is really dead and the latest issue with some power shirt and enchants is all fake as nyerk, otherwise they should have rolled back because as they said there are onle like 2 people known to have those items and now we have monsters with slight advantage.

l2archive also did a poll (dunno when) about weather people bought ncoins. came out 32% did. well nyerk me if that number is actually good because then i'll have to start believing that nc cash shop is workin.

[dirtyklingon]

[quote name='tamagoyaki' timestamp='1333891458' post='2743230']


l2archive also did a poll (dunno when) about weather people bought ncoins. came out 32% did. well nyerk me if that number is actually good because then i'll have to start believing that nc cash shop is workin.
[/quote]
in f2p conversions especially, the vast majority of people spend little or nothing on the cash shop.


most of the revenue comes from a tiny number of players that go apenyerk month in and month out spending money that comes out of their asses somehow for nonstop consumables and vainity items.

[Konkers]

Ok then, if oyu all think that undispellable scrolls and inquin foods are worst than being able to run AP instances 2x a day by buying reset scrolls and gain 20% more AP, Crucible Medals and Courage Insignias if you're a Premium, what can I say?

Good luck!

[IceAge]

[quote name='BlackOrchid' timestamp='1333883760' post='2743208']
Its simple, if you play casual, in europe you can do it without the gold pack, I have done it with my twink and he is lvl 43 now and I started when GF took over... I usualy only play it for 2hrs max a day, and with the CD's and everything I can do normal leveling. The only thing that realy afects me is the Rift events but that is transversal to both servers. Now if I wanted to lvl real fast in say 2 weeks or so, then the gold pack would make alot of sense and in fact would be mandatory...but then again if you have time to play that much you can always pay for it with in game currency.

[u][i][b]Now with the scrolls the candys etc...I can bet you that everyone will be using them hence forcing you to buy if you wanna even have a chance of a fight, be it with in game money (for wich you need to work more) or with rl money. So in the end they will only be imparing the PvP part not the PvE, and screwing mostly one class as you say not all...is it fair? No
Is it Gamebreaking ...YES.[/b][/i][/u]

Your texts are full of contradictions and I realy cannot understand them,



But then



Again you are wrong, They won't be needed for the hardcore Pv'ER...and yes they are OP, and yes they will change the way the game is played, just the simple fact that you won't need to pay atention to the scrolls you have for 1 hr is a huge diference in PvP.
[/quote]

Wow! So much "details" for some scrolls , when you are doing what everyone is doing here. Ignoring the fact that Aion EU Gold Pack is much OP then everything in the Aion NA cash shop.
You are talking about chances in a fight with that scrolls from AION NA! Well let's talk a little bit about chances in a fight in AION EU!
I am playing as a Starter or even as a Veteran right? Ok good, now , you have Gold Pack wich boost you with .. everything. PVP and PVE. While I need, let's say 50 platinum medals to buy an Abyss item, which normally I will get them in 30 days, you will get them in .. 10 days. So in 30 days, you have 150 Platinum Medals, while I have 50. You buy 3 Abyss items in 30 days, while I am buying 1. With the extra cash which you will earn from doing PVE instances much often then me, you will be able to socket your items much faster then me. So, after 30 days we meet in Abyss. Now , who will win in this fight? You Paid (P2W) for the Gold Pack while I didn't ( FREE ).
Now let's take a look at the AION NA a little bit.
We both have access to everything, we both earn 150 Platinum Medals in 30 days, we both get 3 Abyss items and we meet in Abyss. You, on the other hand, have whatever scroll you bought from the cash shop, while I am "clean". Now , you do realize that I have a much higher chance to win in this fight, then I would have in AION EU right? Even with your *scrolls*.
All in all, as someone from here said, it's up to the player to chose where to play Aion. But, if you chose to play in Aion EU, you P2W, as I am pretty sure that almost everyone will buy the Gold Pack. So how in the hell you start a topic like this, saying that NcSoft is adding P2W items, while you currently play in Aion EU and YOU P2W there, and you even *send* players to go in Aion EU if they want a *fair* game play. You pay 10E to have a big advantage and you say : Hey ,that's fine. I pay, I win!
But no, isn't fine at all. And stop saying that I can buy the gold pack with 6 mil kinah. I just don't want to do that. The game is marketed as Free 2 Play ( aionfreetoplay.com ) while they are offering a preview of what is Aion. Then if you want to enjoy the full game, you ( or someone else ) need to pay.

PS: The example with the platinum medals are strictly the ones earned from Sieges, where Starter or Veteran can earn maxim 1 Medal while the Gold Pack can earn maximum of 3.

[quote name='tamagoyaki' timestamp='1333887200' post='2743216']
Could somebody please link the info for gold pack so konkers can shut the hell up.



jk

i think you guyses are not giving him the most important info about it.



[/quote]
Care to give us ( as I am in the same boat as Konkers ) the so called important info?

[IceAge]

[quote name='Nobody' timestamp='1333889203' post='2743221']
The best thing you can do for a troll is not to respond. And you'll know it's a troll when they start contradicting themselves.
[/quote]
Question ( as sometimes I do ask questions ) : Did you trolled GF when they announced the Gold Pack? Did you created a thread with the title : GameForge Announces Pay to Win Gold Pack for Aion EU ?

[tamagoyaki]

why should i when you hate gold pack so much

[IceAge]

[quote name='tamagoyaki' timestamp='1333907234' post='2743273']
why should i when you hate gold pack so much
[/quote]
You are funny Really! It's a topic about P2W , and you are telling me that I hate Gold Pack?

[tamagoyaki]

also konkers isnt a troll. eu is also p2w. it is all a conspiracy.

[IceAge]

[quote name='tamagoyaki' timestamp='1333908031' post='2743277']


also konkers isnt a troll. eu is also p2w. it is all a conspiracy.
[/quote]

Your sarcasm is not funny