[Deliq]

Elliott, on 13 April 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

I was always amused by how much deliq cried about the glad class, so embarrassing for him. I don't think i've seen another glad cry about their class since early 1.5.

Other glads obviously dont pvp as much as I do so they cant possibly know how frustrating it is to fight against sorc/sm/temp with glad. Hell even ranger can sleep arrow you and double trap you for 30s blind, cleric can do the same thing and chanter can kite you forever with speed mantra+wow - its too bad that gladi zerglings cant possibly know such basic things, they just run into the enemy zerg followed by their own zerg and spam aoe.

[Elliott]

Deliq, on 14 April 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Other glads obviously dont pvp as much as I do so they cant possibly know how frustrating it is to fight against sorc/sm/temp with glad. Hell even ranger can sleep arrow you and double trap you for 30s blind, cleric can do the same thing and chanter can kite you forever with speed mantra+wow - its too bad that gladi zerglings cant possibly know such basic things, they just run into the enemy zerg followed by their own zerg and spam aoe.

[omgwtfitsreddie]

aga123, on 12 April 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

Wrong. And stupid.

Sins damage is only high when the sin weaves, which almost all sins seem to struggle with, especially in PvP, since they panic and think "OMG if i use all my skills quick he will die faster!!!11!!1". But they are just as wrong as you.

And sins are the strongest class? Wtf are you on drugs?...if you're ONLY referring to PvE dps, then sure sins are the strongest class...

PvP sin rapes face also

not my problem once people go into a fight they will fight till dead
aion is full of retarded wow morons who do not know when to back off and come back/hang around in hide till certain buffs have worn off

sin is by far the best class in aion if played by the right person the dps a sin can put out in matter of seconds while being able to not take damage at all cant be done by any other class a ranger meight come close but cant keep up with sin damage

[Deliq]

omgwtfitsreddie, on 14 April 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

PvP sin rapes face also

not my problem once people go into a fight they will fight till dead
aion is full of retarded wow morons who do not know when to back off and come back/hang around in hide till certain buffs have worn off

sin is by far the best class in aion if played by the right person the dps a sin can put out in matter of seconds while being able to not take damage at all cant be done by any other class a ranger meight come close but cant keep up with sin damage

RNGer can keep up with sins easily if his stun shot double damage procs and gets crit as well which turns his meh burst into WTF PWNAGE. Lets say your stun shot deal 2k noncrit pvp damage on average - it can deal anywhere from 1k damage noncrit (half damage proc) to 6.8k (double damage proc+crit) damage. Thats nearly seven times as much damage.

After Simca tore me a new asshole I was like "wtf rangers rape DO WANT" then I found out its all RNG and was like "da fukk is this nyerk I dont want this at all!"

[aga123]

omgwtfitsreddie, on 14 April 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

PvP sin rapes face also

not my problem once people go into a fight they will fight till dead
aion is full of retarded wow morons who do not know when to back off and come back/hang around in hide till certain buffs have worn off

sin is by far the best class in aion if played by the right person the dps a sin can put out in matter of seconds while being able to not take damage at all cant be done by any other class a ranger meight come close but cant keep up with sin damage

You are wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin.

Assassin is NOT the strongest pvp class, not by a long shot, for it to be considered the strongest it would have to be able to do more then gank braindeads and afk'ers, or rely on godstone/lucky stun procs through M.res.

Sins are terrible, and i mean TERRIBLE at group PvP, in dreds and such. they are completely useless, oh nyerk they have an AoE blind!!!1!!111! That's about the only skill that is useful, and then it'll just get resisted most of the time.

There is no 'best pvp class' Imo, it's a tie between Sorcs, Sm's, rangers, glads and clerics, all decent groups will consist of only these, and each of those classes are more then capable or solo'ing, 4 of which can very easily win 1vs3+ situations.

[Deliq]

aga123, on 14 April 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

and each of those classes are more then capable or solo'ing, 4 of which can very easily win 1vs3+ situations.

If I go to morheim I can 1v12 easily.

[Milliardo]

aga123, on 14 April 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

You are wrong on so many levels, I don't even know where to begin.

Assassin is NOT the strongest pvp class, not by a long shot, for it to be considered the strongest it would have to be able to do more then gank braindeads and afk'ers, or rely on godstone/lucky stun procs through M.res.

Sins are terrible, and i mean TERRIBLE at group PvP, in dreds and such. they are completely useless, oh nyerk they have an AoE blind!!!1!!111! That's about the only skill that is useful, and then it'll just get resisted most of the time.

There is no 'best pvp class' Imo, it's a tie between Sorcs, Sm's, rangers, glads and clerics, all decent groups will consist of only these, and each of those classes are more then capable or solo'ing, 4 of which can very easily win 1vs3+ situations.

You forget Templars in that list.

And for those who say that assassins are useless in CDDG, just lol. I did alot of CDDGs with assassins and sometimes with 2 assassins, I must say they will work at their best if the Cleric keeps dispelling them. They have insane burst and they dont need to be full buffed for that either.

Every class is usefull in CDDG, just people need to play them correctly.

[Wolfen]

Just wait till you face 5 Gladiators and one Chanter, then you can stick the two Assassins where the sun doesn't shine.

[aga123]

Milliardo, on 14 April 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

They have insane burst and they dont need to be full buffed for that either.

I lol'd, sins need at least OoA, flurry and deadly focus to actually do anything to someone, otherwise their stun will get resisted and they will be kited.

Rangers have more burst, and their burst doesn't really rely on M.acc, and they also bring a lot of utility skills to the table. Glads have high burst potential, and lots of AoE's for massive pressure and far more survivability. The we move onto sorcs, not sure I even need to explain, but I will, sorcs have massive burst, massive mobility and massive utility. Then finally SM's, needless to say fear and dispells rape all, I'm not talking about these noob SM's who run in first and cast fear hoping they don't get insta-gibbed, I'm talking about a well timed and placed fear.

[Milliardo]

wolfen, on 14 April 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Just wait till you face 5 Gladiators and one Chanter, then you can stick the two Assassins where the sun doesn't shine.

What if you have a ranger, sorc in your group. The Chanter cant dispel and 1 Sleepstorm+blind does the job. So whats your point?

5 Glads rape any group that doesnt have CC.

aga123, on 14 April 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

I lol'd, sins need at least OoA, flurry and deadly focus to actually do anything to someone, otherwise their stun will get resisted and they will be kited.

Stuns are not dammage. A sin doesnt need stuns to do dammage.

Yes Rangers have more burst, but also CDs and they are RNG afterall. Assassin dps is more constant.

[Mefix]

Assassins need much better gear than everyone else needs, coz they need to simply outdmg the enemy, not to let em use even remove shock rofl. At CDDG its normal, that decent groups prefer to take templars/gladis/sm/sorc/cler/chanter, coz their survavibility is better than sins' or rangers' one. To all of gladiators, that will say that sins are dieing too fast on dredgions on open pvp: guess why? -.- Leathers are usually one of firsts targets, while gladis can pwn everyone else with they uber aoe using their head on keyboard If giadiator would be first targets from enemys' group they will be bursted out, even they will use all heals or etc. Sins atleast have dodge/resist skills, so imho pro sin would resist mass fear/insta fear/mass sleep/sleep, and just won't let the ccs to do their job, while gladis would whine why they're cced and there was no dispell..

This post has been edited by Mefix: 15 April 2012 - 02:56 AM

[Wolfen]

Milliardo, on 14 April 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

What if you have a ranger, sorc in your group. The Chanter cant dispel and 1 Sleepstorm+blind does the job. So whats your point?

5 Glads rape any group that doesnt have CC.

Blind is potable/kitable, plus, the Sorc/Sins will be already under perma KD/Silence before being able to do anything.

My point is that as much as i belive that a skilled Assassin is still useful in a group vs group fight, another skilled class would be better, specially a Gladiator/Templar (in 3.0).

In 3.0 six Templars parties are going to be insane, cyclable x2 Iron Skins and KDs.

Mefix, on 15 April 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Sins atleast have dodge/resist skills, so imho pro sin would resist mass fear/insta fear/mass sleep/sleep, and just won't let the ccs to do their job, while gladis would whine why they're cced and there was no dispell..

It's not the Assassin the one that has to resist mass CCs, because guess what happen if the whole Assassin group get CCed meanwhile he tries to "kill" the CCers? right, he get raped from 6 people in no time.

It's the Cleric the one that has to pay attention and los them.

This post has been edited by wolfen: 15 April 2012 - 03:47 AM

[Milliardo]

wolfen, on 15 April 2012 - 03:37 AM, said:

Blind is potable/kitable, plus, the Sorc/Sins will be already under perma KD/Silence before being able to do anything.

My point is that as much as i belive that a skilled Assassin is still useful in a group vs group fight, another skilled class would be better, specially a Gladiator/Templar (in 3.0).

Nah, a Sorc will CC before Knockdowns, I already tried a 5 glad. CC will rly counter a 5 glad group. And Blind potable and kitable yes, but there are certain tricks to it of course. No Chanter in group is kinda suicide IMO, especially with only plates.

But I am glad we agree, my point was that assassins arent useless at all. Obviously there are better choices, but I will not sleep less or get annoyed if I have a sin in my group.

[aga123]

Milliardo, on 14 April 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

Stuns are not dammage. A sin doesnt need stuns to do dammage.

Are you actually retarded?

You NEED stuns to do dps, if a sin can't stun someone that person will easily just kite the sin and the damage output you have vs moving targets is laughable.

[Milliardo]

aga123, on 15 April 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

Are you actually retarded?

You NEED stuns to do dps, if a sin can't stun someone that person will easily just kite the sin and the damage output you have vs moving targets is laughable.

Are you retarded? Stuns are a tool to control your enemy. If you dont stun, it doesnt mean you cant kill your enemies. Unless your a static player, you still have a chance killing w/o stuns.

Also an assassin has alot of skills that are on the run.

[aga123]

Milliardo, on 15 April 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Are you retarded? Stuns are a tool to control your enemy. If you dont stun, it doesnt mean you cant kill your enemies. Unless your a static player, you still have a chance killing w/o stuns.

Also an assassin has alot of skills that are on the run.

Do you really think that sins have a chance of killing an equal geared/skilled opponent if he can't stun? I'm not sure what kind of trash you are playing against, but I assure you anyone with half a brain won't die to a sin who can't stun. I'll explain what will happen against each class.

Sorc - kite, until the sin is forced to use resist skills, then use one of many combos they have availible.
SM - kite, spamming dispells and erosion, fear if needed
Cleric - Kite, spamming root, DoT's and other dmaage spells
Chanter - use defensive buffs, stun/kd, heal and kite when needed
Glad - damage, KD, dmaage, KD, damage
Temp - Yeah, like a sin has any chance of killing an equal geared temp...
Ranger - Kite, massive burst when the sins FE is gone, sleep if needed.

[Milliardo]

aga123, on 15 April 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

Do you really think that sins have a chance of killing an equal geared/skilled opponent if he can't stun?

Yes, just a some examples:






Only enemy a sin cant beat are Templars.

I dont know what stigma build you use, but you should have a big chance in winning vs any class except for Templar and SMs.

[aga123]

Milliardo, on 15 April 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

I dont know what stigma build you use, but you should have a big chance in winning vs any class except for Templar and SMs.

You need to read what I say, I said equal geared/skilled opponents, in which case you have close to no chance of winning without stuns.

[Wolfen]

Milliardo, on 15 April 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

Nah, a Sorc will CC before Knockdowns, I already tried a 5 glad. CC will rly counter a 5 glad group. And Blind potable and kitable yes, but there are certain tricks to it of course. No Chanter in group is kinda suicide IMO, especially with only plates.

But I am glad we agree, my point was that assassins arent useless at all. Obviously there are better choices, but I will not sleep less or get annoyed if I have a sin in my group.

Yes, but that CC can be countered if you know how to position/use spellstopping, i agree, in fact i listed the Chanter aswell before.

Milliardo, on 15 April 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

Only enemy a sin cant beat are Templars.

I don't agree, you can beat Templars (even skilled ones) if you know what to do, it will just take alot of time/kiting.

You can't beat them if they use an mres set when UD/other CDs are off tho.

[Maurin]

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I dont know what stigma build you use, but you should have a big chance in winning vs any class except for Templar and SMs.

What are you smoking?