[Nobody]

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

No because they crafted it, they did not pay money to gain new armor. I will break the word down for you


Pay = real money, you know like you buy chocolate with etc.

'2' or 'to' = I hope you don't need me to explain what this means.

Win = Winning! When you beat someone in some form or another.

Therefore its, paying real life money to gain an advantage over another, who did not spend that money, in order to win. Whether the advantages are small or not, it is still an advantage.

comprende?

The question is whether or not you really care if you're talking about like a 1 hour gain or something silly like that. You can craft end level gear that's just as good and there are other ways to gain gear that's just as good. Also, I think the ball is still out about how gear scales when you get sidekicked up. oh, and I think that maybe the karma gear itself is mostly about looks.

There's also pve dungeon gear that seems to be just for looks as well.

[Eshmoon]

i do understand you want to win anyway, even without knowing things or testing which in my opinion its acting like a little spoiled brat

[cezi]

Nobody, on 15 May 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

The question is whether or not you really care if you're talking about like a 1 hour gain or something silly like that. You can craft end level gear that's just as good and there are other ways to gain gear that's just as good. Also, I think the ball is still out about how gear scales when you get sidekicked up. oh, and I think that maybe the karma gear itself is mostly about looks.

There's also pve dungeon gear that seems to be just for looks as well.

I'm not worried about the time it saves, or what it is even, im worried about where it would lead to. When has any game company in the history of everness actually kept the cash shops at a steady level? It always gets progressively more 'needed' to buy the items as the games life goes on, and this won't be any different.

This post has been edited by cezion: 15 May 2012 - 06:23 AM

[dirtyklingon]

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 06:12 AM, said:

No because they crafted it, they did not pay money to gain new armor. I will break the word down for you


Pay = real money, you know like you buy chocolate with etc.

'2' or 'to' = I hope you don't need me to explain what this means.

Win = Winning! When you beat someone in some form or another.

Therefore its, paying real life money to gain an advantage over another, who did not spend that money, in order to win. Whether the advantages are small or not, it is still an advantage.

comprende?

you can also buy gems with gold and gold with gems - gems = irl cash for cash shop currency. an dthen you cna buy mats or crafted gear with gold and so on.

but you can also farm gold to buy gems to get those karma boosters et al.

teh gear progression itself is pretty flat, you'll spend far more time farming gear for the look you want as opposed to say aion where you farm for ages for stats alone


otherwise you can get generic looking gear for gold alone as well from vendors.

Eshmoon, on 15 May 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

that kind of bonus can be bought also from guild influence ^^ and capisci would be better ^^

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 06:22 AM, said:

I'm not worried about the time it saves, or what it is even, im worried about where it would lead to. When has any game company in the history of everness actually kept the cash shops at a steady level? It always gets progressively more 'needed' to buy the items as the games life goes on, and this won't be any different.

guild influence can also be bought with gold which is a straight x gold = y influence, which in turn can be used to unlock stuff liek guild weapons and armour(ie they have yoru guild emblem on them).

you can also get influence boosters from teh cash shop.


as for karma gain you get like 5-10k before level 10 and level 80 karma gear costs roughly 30k a piece iirc. it's pretty easy to farm without th eboosters.


keep i nmind again, you can buy all the cash shop stff you want without ever spendign irl cash on it, buy buying gems with gold and then using those gems to buy cash shop stuff without spending any irl cash. just takes a bit more time, and it's great fo rpeople that have a lot of time but have less irl money.

Nobody, on 15 May 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

There's also pve dungeon gear that seems to be just for looks as well.

i think the dungeon gear is the best stuff for level stats wise, or maybe variety of stats or something, in addition to the unique looks from each dungeon.


keep in mind every dungeon boss drops a token to each player that is used to buy the dungeon gear from that dungeon.


not sure what the drop to pruchase ratio is, i remember an older interview saying it was liek on etoken = 1 piece.

i think there's also levels of it to each dungeon where like story mode gives the weaker gear token and exploration mode gives the higher stats token.

[Amaris]

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

It doesn't have to be better, you're effectively buying currency in game and therefore getting armor faster than someone who doesn't spend money on the game. That is called pay2win. Say i don't know, call people dumb or stupid but its true. Like i said though, you couldn't actually prove me wrong, you just started raging and insulting people because you seem to be in a passionate romance with the game, good for you.

I completely understand your point about using money to buy items. In this case we buy gems, which can give us items giving boosts.
But as people stated before, you can get gems using ingame gold, and I haven't seen a lot of things you need to spend your gold or anything else on.

Next to that, when you go in the arenas, you are immediately provided with lvl 80 'pvp' gear, these are amulets/rings/totems/armour/weapons. You can also change their stats in the Mists, some form of PvP outpost.
The other gear is buyable with karma, so here people who spend money will get this gear a bit faster... but by the time you're lvl 80, with or without the boosts, you'll probably have enough points saved up just to buy the gear.
So for now, I'm not really 'mad' about the fact they added these items in the gem shop, since only the retards will buy these items, thinking that gear > skill, which won't be the case at all in this game.

[Jinxied]

Eshmoon, on 15 May 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

you want to seems dumb almost like jinxie go ahead you re free to do it

was about to defend you... coz obviously Cez and Nendz didnt understand sth about GW2 and now they are failing REALLY hard on proving sth they havent experienced and talking only on heard rumours... but ok,feel free to argue with them. Just let you know,they wont admit they've made a mistake Keep hitting your rubber head into the wall

[Mashikumokosis]

I looked onto gw2...but after playing tera i dont wanna look more in any target mmo

[Eshmoon]

Jinxied, on 15 May 2012 - 07:17 AM, said:

was about to defend you... coz obviously Cez and Nendz didnt understand sth about GW2 and now they are failing REALLY hard on proving sth they havent experienced and talking only on heard rumours... but ok,feel free to argue with them. Just let you know,they wont admit they've made a mistake Keep hitting your rubber head into the wall

2 people less, really dont need pompous know all around , if he want to seems dense as a blond its up to him i cant care none the less.

[cezi]

Pompous? I don't think you know what you're saying, like when you said im spoiled. Learn to speak English first. But the fact remains, you have yet to prove me wrong, you haven't got a reply to it being a p2win game, when i have proved it over and over.

gl....

[dirtyklingon]

Mashikumokosis, on 15 May 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

I looked onto gw2...but after playing tera i dont wanna look more in any target mmo

tera is just an fps for peopel with no arms and rpg mmo stuff for people who can't hack wow vanilla combat.

i mean the targetting reticle is so big you might as well just have it so you press buttons and it auto hits w/e you are looking in the generla direction of anyway.


even cod and bf3/bc2 kids would find it too easy.

[Ashorah]

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

Pompous? I don't think you know what you're saying, like when you said im spoiled. Learn to speak English first. But the fact remains, you have yet to prove me wrong, you haven't got a reply to it being a p2win game, when i have proved it over and over.

gl....

Sorry to barge in buddy but the only thing you proved so far is that you can buy stuff, since you didnt try or dont know what that stuff is about you can hardly prove what you buy makes you win. As a result you can hardly claim as a pay to win.

On a side note from waht i read so far the cash shop will mostly be about aestetic, nothing to unbalance the game.

[dirtyklingon]

it's far more than aesthetic, but i don't know if i'd call it pay 2 win.


obviously to some degree soem of the stuff DOES give you an advantage, but if that advantage is worth qqing about idk.


but uh the main thing i disliek about it is the base bank spacve i sliek 20 slots and it's a reltively high gem cost to expand it another 20 slots. i think that is pretty greedy.


but i know some sub based games that have had worse cash shops than gw2 does currently.

[Eshmoon]

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

Pompous? I don't think you know what you're saying, like when you said im spoiled. Learn to speak English first. But the fact remains, you have yet to prove me wrong, you haven't got a reply to it being a p2win game, when i have proved it over and over.

gl....

: having or exhibiting self-importance : arrogant <a pompous politician>

http://www.merriam-w...tionary/pompous

Spoiled children may be described as "overindulged", "grandiose", "narcissistic" or "egocentric-regressed".

maybe time that also english learn their own language

This post has been edited by Eshmoon: 15 May 2012 - 10:42 AM

[Mashikumokosis]

dirtyklingon, on 15 May 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

tera is just an fps for peopel with no arms and rpg mmo stuff for people who can't hack wow vanilla combat.

i mean the targetting reticle is so big you might as well just have it so you press buttons and it auto hits w/e you are looking in the generla direction of anyway.


even cod and bf3/bc2 kids would find it too easy.

LOL

[Amaris]

dirtyklingon, on 15 May 2012 - 10:35 AM, said:

it's far more than aesthetic, but i don't know if i'd call it pay 2 win.


obviously to some degree soem of the stuff DOES give you an advantage, but if that advantage is worth qqing about idk.


but uh the main thing i disliek about it is the base bank spacve i sliek 20 slots and it's a reltively high gem cost to expand it another 20 slots. i think that is pretty greedy.


but i know some sub based games that have had worse cash shops than gw2 does currently.

They'll probably adjust this a bit... but keep in mind, GW had a shop as well, which is pretty common for games that don't charge monthly fees. Even p2p-games have shops.

But the shop in GW wasn't ground-breaking, and it's pretty comparable to the system in GW2.

The things you bought in GW were extra character slots, additional storage space (but there was loads of space available without this, each campaign already gave you an extra storage tab, and then 4 additionals you could buy).
The 2008 edition upgrade brought the fire imp (a help to get to max level, but it's easy to do this on your own), the adiitional /bonus weapons were 'cool', they gave you free weapons for each character, unlimited amount actually. But this again gave no real advantage.
The PvP-skill pack was nice, you immediately had all skills unlocked for your pvp toon. But these skills were easy to get without them, it was just for the lazies who wanted to go all-out pvp without ever touching pve.

All of this can be considered p2w, BUT it never made someone stronger than the other, it just made it a bit easier.

The fact that gems for gw2 can even be bought with ingame currency makes it less p2w in my opinion.

You don't buy imba weapons, you don't buy certain pots, or something like 100% supplements, you don't buy instance reset scrolls without a cooldown,...

[avriela]

Pompous is actually Greek word that made its way to English so it's Greek to him. But I was not aware of the usage of the word in such a context, thnx Eshmoon. We mostly use that term in general to refer to something excessively showing off in a selfish way.

From what I got read in this thread (and I read all posts VERY CAREFULLY) GW2 sucks and Terra is a bad CS copy.

[cezi]

Ashorah, on 15 May 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

Sorry to barge in buddy but the only thing you proved so far is that you can buy stuff, since you didnt try or dont know what that stuff is about you can hardly prove what you buy makes you win. As a result you can hardly claim as a pay to win.

On a side note from waht i read so far the cash shop will mostly be about aestetic, nothing to unbalance the game.

You can't read what i am saying too. I'm not worried about what the items are, the fact of the matter is they DO give you an advantage, and the even bigger point is that it will not stop at this. If there isn't more cash shop items which are increasingly powerful a year or so after release, i will be very surprised. It seems like Eshmoon you are fanboying the game and can't say anything bad about it.

[Ashorah]

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

You can't read what i am saying too. I'm not worried about what the items are, the fact of the matter is they DO give you an advantage, and the even bigger point is that it will not stop at this. If there isn't more cash shop items which are increasingly powerful a year or so after release, i will be very surprised. It seems like Eshmoon you are fanboying the game and can't say anything bad about it.

I aint really fanboying the game, just what you are saying is excessive especially when you ddint try it out yourself. Your comments are mostly expectactions without serious backbone.

Though you might be right up to a certain amount you are still being excessive in that aspect which makes you lose some credit to your argument.

[Eshmoon]

cezion, on 15 May 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

It seems like Eshmoon you are fanboying the game and can't say anything bad about it.

the only person reacting in a kind of childish and unreasonable way , its you , me like some other people did try to explain to you , that really karma doesnt give any advantage. But you did insist on pay 2 win without even try a single second the game and its mechanism. and forgetting that game its still really in a beta phase, atm the game wouldnt be sellable , cause still need a lots of polishing in every part of it included microtransation.

I do appreciate the fact that people keep their opinion, but doing it in such a blind and stubborn mode doesnt show really that you re intelligent.

This post has been edited by Eshmoon: 16 May 2012 - 02:00 AM

[Nendz]

Who cares seriously? Some people wanna play GW2, some wanna play Tera and others Diablo 3. That's fine or not?

I cba to argue about what I said, that's why I didn't reply further. If in your opinion that cash shop item is not important enough to make it p2w then that's ok for me, too.

This post has been edited by Nendz: 16 May 2012 - 05:04 AM