[JaeSwift]

Daimodes said:

Srsly, I read everywhere the same stuff. There is really a simple and plain answer I can give you:

Play the Templar, when you want to be a tank and support player for your group

Play the Gladiator when you want to deal damage and PvP as melee class.



I dont get it why ppl are actually all saying and asking the same. Play the class you want to play. This stuff about "I play only the class that is better!". Compared to WHAT? To WHAT? Gladiator and Templar have TWO TOTALLY different kinds of game play. So how to compare them beeing "better"?

Make the choice of your own abilities and interests and be happy with the result. And if not... reroll and play the other class.

Hi,

Honestly I think you misinterpreted me. I'm not saying I want an iWin class in PvP and PvE, I'm saying that because of the PvPvE system that Aion has I am confused as to what would suit my playstyle more, hence me asking for advice.

I know they both have totally different styles of play, I know a Templar won't be the nr.1 ''zomg 1shot button'' class in PvP, but I didn't know there damage wasn't as gimped as say WoW's protection warrior.

Gladiators also appealed greatly to me because even though I'm not -that- fond of DPS'ing, 2 handed DPS is something I've always had a weak spot for and enjoyed, but in the end I enjoy tanking more, and that made Gladiators a viable choice for me because I heard they could tank too, I just didn't know they really were more of a 2nd rate tank than anything else. I can already forebode that ''the community'' will not be picking Gladiators to tank instances for them given the choice.

Anyway, thanks everyone for all the input =) I've made up my mind in that I'm going to be playing a Templar. I'll probably end up leveling a Gladiator as an alt later on orso, but Templar will be my main =)

Much appreciated,

JaeSwift~

[Phizz]

All of you who said one class is better than the other are retarded this game has 8 classes not 2, neither is better everything is equal your just comparing sceanrios, what's the point of the game to you tank a mob boss? go Temp. PVP and abyss go Glad simple. a temp can't tank abyss PvP just a player just won't target him.... duh?

[Orthodox]

Simple question, i played wow for a while and WAR for quite a while, for anyone who played that is Gladiator something on the path of DPS Chosen and Templar Main Tank, seeing that Glad has bit more DPS realisticly should mean losing some defence and vise versa.

[gwin]

Phizz said:

All of you who said one class is better than the other are retarded this game has 8 classes not 2, neither is better everything is equal your just comparing sceanrios, what's the point of the game to you tank a mob boss? go Temp. PVP and abyss go Glad simple. a temp can't tank abyss PvP just a player just won't target him.... duh?

We are comparing Temp and Glad here not all 8 classes. Before calling people tards read the thread.

[Phizz]

gwin said:

We are comparing Temp and Glad here not all 8 classes. Before calling people tards read the thread.

But the question is based on the game which is better Glad or Temp not who will win in a fight Glad or Temp. Understand the reasoning, instead of being bias. You can never go wrong with what you pick it always strives in it's designated sceanario

[gwin]

Phizz said:

But the question is based on the game which is better Glad or Temp not who will win in a fight Glad or Temp. Understand the reasoning, instead of being bias. You can never go wrong with what you pick it always strives in it's designated sceanario

In my opinion Temp is better. Unfortunately hybrid classes will never be the best at anything. Glad can dps but not as good as DPS classes they can tank but not as good as real tanks. Yeah yeah people will start telling me gtfo Gladiators are doing just fine but only time will tell how valuable they will be in the end game. Unfortunately from my experience Hybrids don't usually do too well in MMOs aside from WoWs DK which are just pathetically OPed (or at least used to be, been away from WoW for a while)

[Darkdragyn]

Basically, From what I have gathered around the forums and as well as the beta. And as stated above from another player. In the very beginning of the game 17-20 Gladiators did just fine as a tank. But when I took over (I'm A templar) It was a bit easier on the healer. As for upper in raids and instances it could be possible to be a off - tank. But a Temaplar would always be the Main choice for a tank.

I personally think it will flow like this.

If you want to PvP (Deal Heavy Damage) and Off - Tank roll a Gladiator
if you want to PvP (Dealing Mid. Damage) and Main Tank roll a Templar

Myself, I chose Templar. I will be just happy being the Main tank and Protecting the healer when it comes to PvP.

[Foxtrot]

Definatly going Templar. Glads are definatly a cool option, but I like my tanks... tankish.

[dany1]

Darkdragyn said:

If you want to PvP (Deal Heavy Damage) and Off - Tank roll a Gladiator
if you want to PvP (Dealing Mid. Damage) and Main Tank roll a Templar

Myself, I chose Templar. I will be just happy being the Main tank and Protecting the healer when it comes to PvP.

Erm no thats not how it goes.

If you want to PVP = dont choose Templars.

Now this is the mindset of players.Lets see:


Solo PVP:

Because of Templars high defence and crazy HP people in Abyss will simple avoid PvPing against Templars.You will almost never be targeted/attacked people will hide/run/move from you when they see you.They will look for more easier targets to pick on...

Now if you attack someone and even jump them first if they decide to run (in 90% they will) you cant catch them.


Group PvP:

Here simply Templars suck ***.Why?First noone I mean absolutely noone will attack you.You will be avoided and even the ones
that avoid you.....in the short amount pf time that you have to harm them so you can protect your squishes you cant...why?...because even with crit you DPS sucks compared to Gladiator WITH crit...and your target will just run pass you and kill your squishy before you can take any HP off them..

Of course its a bit different but 90% of the time Templars are NOT chosen for Group PvP.Zerg PvP yes but group No.

So my dear people in concusion as been said.

1) If you want to Solo PvP/Mass PVP and have decent defence play Gladiator.
2) If you want to be Tank get Templar...

Its simple as fuking that!

Oh and before "Beta" Aion players ask..Yes I play on China and have both Glad/Temp/Cler lvl 50.

This post has been edited by dany1: 07 July 2009 - 09:56 PM

[skuko]

dany1 said:

Erm no thats not how it goes.

If you want to PVP = dont choose Templars.

Now this is the mindset of players.Lets see:


Solo PVP:

Because of Templars high defence and crazy HP people in Abyss will simple avoid PvPing against Templars.You will almost never be targeted/attacked people will hide/run/move from you when they see you.They will look for more easier targets to pick on...

Now if you attack someone and even jump them first if they decide to run (in 90% they will) you cant catch them.


Group PvP:

Here simply Templars suck ***.Why?First noone I mean absolutely noone will attack you.You will be avoided and even the ones
that avoid you.....in the short amount pf time that you have to harm them so you can protect your squishes you cant...why?...because even with crit you DPS sucks compared to Gladiator WITH crit...and your target will just run pass you and kill your squishy before you can take any HP off them..

Of course its a bit different but 90% of the time Templars are NOT chosen for Group PvP.Zerg PvP yes but group No.

So my dear people in concusion as been said.

1) If you want to Solo PvP/Mass PVP and have decent defence play Gladiator.
2) If you want to be Tank get Templar...

Its simple as fuking that!

Oh and before "Beta" Aion players ask..Yes I play on China and have both Glad/Temp/Cler lvl 50.

ummm...i might be wrong, but isn't the level cap on C-Aion level 45? That would discredit your entire post mate :)
may i ask what is your opinion on the templar in full abyss gear solo pvping and taking on multiple enemies at one time? i read this article somewhere around here...was an interview with a korean player...

[Svest]

skuko said:

ummm...i might be wrong, but isn't the level cap on C-Aion level 45? That would discredit your entire post mate :)
may i ask what is your opinion on the templar in full abyss gear solo pvping and taking on multiple enemies at one time? i read this article somewhere around here...was an interview with a korean player...

Yes, the Chinese cap is lvl 45 atm.

People freaking out about the templar taking on multiple enemies at once simply do not understand what they are seeing. The abyss is one of the best places to get exp once you hit 25. Many people go there to lvl up. So there is a wide lvl range of players in the abyss. A templar at lvl cap can take on half a dozen lvl 25-30s without breaking a sweat. This is not very unusual. If you read the article, you would notice that the Korean guy said he liked to go after lower lvls and enemy respawn points. Areas where there are a large number of weak enemies. That's all that video is. A decked out templar at lvl cap beating the crap out of a bunch of lowbies.

[Woodbridge]

seeya said:

and what make u think templar can tank 5 and glad 2? lets see, first of all they are both Plate armour types, which pretty much both sides can get the same amount of defense, as from the passive hp boost i think templar get 20-30% more hp more than glad, but still glad would tank much as temp if there cleric healing both at same time, still would be equal tank wise.

now speaking why templar can tank more? they use shield right? that may help lil more. but u forgot something that glads can also use shield + have better abilites to hold agro better than temps. and glads can use every single type of weapons in the game except staffs. so they could be anything. and aswell their aoes and high physic atk from passives and active boosts make them hit dam hard just as assasin but with more defense and hp.

20-30% more hp..... yea thats nothing nothing at all...

30% of 1000hp = 300hp
30% of 10000hp = 3000hp <<<<<<<<<<<<< THAT is HUGE in ANY mmo for a tank. That in itself makes temp > glad for heavy tanking.

[Thirteenth Voice]

Let me ask this...

Can I play a Templar as a DPS Melee in PvP. Say use dual wield?
Well I know I can but will I survive?
I should have better mitigation and have a shield for some nice stuns I believe.
Will be able with some kind of build be able to clean up if I am solo Pvp.
Survive Nukes, Sins BS, SM's pets beating on me while getting nuked...etc...
Or will I just never put out enough big numbers to take the clerics out of the picture.

If I can not then Gladiator is the solo PvP choice for warrior. Templar the PvE choice for a group tank, raids, instancing etc. PvP defense, siege raid.

[Svest]

Thirteenth Voice said:

Let me ask this...

Can I play a Templar as a DPS Melee in PvP. Say use dual wield?
Well I know I can but will I survive?
I should have better mitigation and have a shield for some nice stuns I believe.
Will be able with some kind of build be able to clean up if I am solo Pvp.
Survive Nukes, Sins BS, SM's pets beating on me while getting nuked...etc...
Or will I just never put out enough big numbers to take the clerics out of the picture.

If I can not then Gladiator is the solo PvP choice for warrior. Templar the PvE choice for a group tank, raids, instancing etc. PvP defense, siege raid.

Well, first you cannot dual wield as a templar. Your options are sword (or mace) and shield or 2handed sword. If you go with a full crit build (400+) you can deal enough DPS to be a significant threat. You will not wtfpwn someone in 2 seconds, but they cannot simply ignore you. A good crit can take a third of someone's life. You will also have a number of abilities that will make you hard to take down. A templar has high survivability, respectable DPS, and poor utility. They are great for 1v1 or more solo style playing (even if you are playing "by yourself" as part of a big crowd). For those wanting to play the "protector tank" you are going to be let down. The templar is pretty much someone with respectable DPS who is hard to take down.

IMO gladiator is more of the choice if you run with a solid organized group. You lose some survivability in exchange for more DPS and utility. The loss in survivability in this case can be made up for IMO with solid and reliable healers backing you up.

Of course this could all change by the time the game launches and we all hit lvl cap. By then there will probably have been a number of patches.

[Ezekil]

I will go Templar. I just feel more defense makes for the best "Meat Shield".

[Thirteenth Voice]

I understand the whole Temp is tank Glad is dps thing.
I am looking more towards the Hybrid.

Which in anyone opinion would be better for multi purpose.

A Glad that can tank or a Temp that can Dps.

Glad can use shield and wep, 2 hander and dual weild.
Temp can Shield and wep and 2 hand.
So Glad advantage.

But the Temp has better mitigation then a Glad when in shield and wep. But with the Glad 2 hander parry bonus does that make them better for that reason?

Both have a stun but is one better then the other or just plane random for each?

I am playing Glad atm only lev 17 so far and it is difficult to take out elites and Named solo. So I obviously need a healer.

Is a healer a must?
Is the Glad just a back up dps with the assassin doing better damage in melee groups?
Why take the glad if this is the case? Don't really want the AoE going if you have your control locking down adds do you?

See my quandry? I love the Glad but fear it will be left behind at higher levels for more useful classes.

Or do I suck it up, Play the Glad and find a healer and a ranged and go at it?

[Ambition]

If you really insist on being a gladiator, team up with a chanter. His heals are more than enough for you, and he has buffs, and support damage. A gladiator and a chanter can go far, far into th game duoed.

[Largo_npc]

/Res Thread

I'm also in the same boat.
I loved Glad in CB, although I only got to 15. I plan on doing some heavy PvP in release.
I always love to do AoE and see lots of big numbers float around, but I also love to take some hits...quite a few hits actually.
I played Black Orc in WAR and loved it. I tried Squig Herder too but always preferred my BO.

Question is, would a Fully Crited Temp be as good on damage as a Glad? Can a Glad survive long enough in PvP? What is a fully crited Glad like?

[Terhix]

Thirteenth Voice said:

I understand the whole Temp is tank Glad is dps thing.
I am looking more towards the Hybrid.

Considering that Assassins are pure dps class, Gladiator is the tank/dps hybrid.

In other news, last time I checked tanks had cannons.

Edit: to the poster above, I had a pretty much the same dilemma, with as much information I could get here on forums I made a breakthrough list:

1v1: I'd prefer Templar, but it all depends on what enemies you are going to fight against, Gladiator might be better against some.
6v6: Gladiator > Templar - more of a threat and still tough enough.
Mass PvP (aka zerg): Templar > Gladiator.
PvE: I've yet to play an MMO where tanks or healers had a problem finding a group, so Templar.

This post has been edited by Terhix: 25 August 2009 - 07:01 AM

[Squat]

Largo_npc said:

Could a Fully Crited Temp be as good on damage as a Glad? Can a Glad survive long enough in PvP? What is a fully crited Glad like?

Don't ask. You will get mixed responses. There's really not much you can do but try yourself. Your own experience is the only thing that matters.