[Veterin]

I have heard that it is extremely hard to level a crafting skill to 450. I am just wondering if its because the leveling becomes extremely slow and expensive or if its something more. Are the work orders in the mastery the same as work orders before level 399? is it as simple as just making something x amount of times or is there a different system (for example having to crit on an item to complete the work order)?

Also is there anyone in China Aion or Korean Aion who has gotten a mastery to level 450? If so how many months did it take them to get there?

Cheers

[XionValkyrie]

It's mostly just expensive. Expect to spend 20 mil + on the premium refinery stones you need to craft the few items you need in order to fulfill the requirement. Since those are critical crafts, you could get very lucky and crit everything on your first try and save a lot of money, or be very unlucky and have to spend a ton more.

[Veterin]

XionValkyrie said:

It's mostly just expensive. Expect to spend 20 mil + on the premium refinery stones you need to craft the few items you need in order to fulfill the requirement. Since those are critical crafts, you could get very lucky and crit everything on your first try and save a lot of money, or be very unlucky and have to spend a ton more.

That is what i am asking? do we need something rare (like premium refining stones) to complete the mastery work order or can we just buy the materials needed from the alchemy merchant like we can at lower levels?

[Daf]

There are no mastery work orders. You can use your existing work orders to get to 399 + 40 = 439.

[Veterin]

Daf said:

There are no mastery work orders. You can use your existing work orders to get to 399 + 40 = 439.

alright thanks. that's the sort of answer i was looking for.

are there many people in China Aion or Korean Aion that are at 439 or higher?

[albertasaurus]

Apparently when you've reached a skill level of 400 the work orders no longer give you skill points. They are still there and repeatable, but only are useful to get designs and what not.

[Veterin]

albertasaurus said:

Apparently when you've reached a skill level of 400 the work orders no longer give you skill points. They are still there and repeatable, but only are useful to get designs and what not.

hrmm that would definetly explain why it is so difficult to master. Can anyone who has a a mastery in crafting on Caion or Kaion confirm this??

[albertasaurus]

Took me a while to dig up, but here:

http://www.aionsourc...43-post173.html

http://www.aionsourc...77-post179.html

[Daf]

albertasaurus said:

Took me a while to dig up, but here:
http://www.aionsourc...43-post173.html
http://www.aionsourc...77-post179.html

Bah, that does suck. It's going to be a while before we need to worry about 400+ crafting, at least.

That's fine, I have been known to make mistakes... from time to time :)

[XionValkyrie]

Well, the thing is, going from 399 to 400 is a HUGE bottleneck. Mainly because the guy will ask for 2-3 crafts that are ridiculously hard to do, since they're crits of blue crafts. You need some kind of premium refining stone, which go anywhere from 1 to 5 mil each (depending on your server) to craft them.

[Ginto]

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Well, the thing is, going from 399 to 400 is a HUGE bottleneck. Mainly because the guy will ask for 2-3 crafts that are ridiculously hard to do, since they're crits of blue crafts. You need some kind of premium refining stone, which go anywhere from 1 to 5 mil each (depending on your server) to craft them.

and also some crafts require two stages to craft the end item like weaponsmith where you have to have a white crit in order to make the green item and hope that one crits to a blue. As where as armorsmith you can make the green item without having to craft a white item as part of the recipe.

[btt363]

XionValkyrie said:

Well, the thing is, going from 399 to 400 is a HUGE bottleneck. Mainly because the guy will ask for 2-3 crafts that are ridiculously hard to do, since they're crits of blue crafts. You need some kind of premium refining stone, which go anywhere from 1 to 5 mil each (depending on your server) to craft them.

hmm

can you post an aionarmory link of these premium refining stones?

thanks alot

[Dseed]

http://www.aionarmor...px?id=152011054

they drop from mobs around level 50

the only reason they cost a ton was due to the fact that level cap was at 45 and there were VERY few mobs that was 45+, elites were mostly in instances with 12 hours cooldown, the non-elites are in divine fortress area.

with level cap being raised to 50 and the opening of new areas for 45-50. i do not expect prices to follow the trend of Caion but rather affordable.

that is not to say that it is going to be cheap.

i have both my handicraft and alchemy to 399 on Caion. costed maybe 5mill in total to do all the work orders and what not. and some of that cost is recovered by selling designs you get from the workorder. true cost is somewhere about the 2-3million mark by my personal experience.

i have so far spent 23million and gotten about 70% done with my expert quest for handicraft. the rest 30% requires premium stones and i decided to give up since im almost broke,

the number is taken into the opportunity cost of me gathering the mats myself and convert them into normal market price

[SinnersINC]

my question is since i have no characters that high is how does the alchy fare for getting your money back at those levels? or any craft skill. Being as i'm only a young Closed Beta Sin and haven't expereinced the near end game levels yet how does the money making go further in. in the 20s I find myself having just enough money as isfor what i need unless i go on a pot makin journey to sell on the brokers. but 23 Mil just seams like a ton lol. Unless making money is easier at that level well making the 23 mill part lol.

[Tika]

23mil is a large number, but the prices on C Aion (assuming this is where above poster is doing his craft), are very nuts. Mostly because kinah buying/selling is normal over there. I would not expect the prices to be nearly as bad come release for NA. But at the same time, I feel there will be a lot less people even becoming masters on NA due to the fact it will cost a lot (not as much).

Anyhow, long story short. You can not get a good idea on prices until 4-6 months (or longer) after NA releases. Also as a poster stated the prices are so high atm on C Aion because they do not have access to mobs from 45-50 since they are still in patch 1.0 and these mobs drop the refining stones that are needed for master items (quest item too I believe). This week most of C Aion is getting the patch that allows them to get to 50 so I am hoping we will see prices drop a lot. But again, I doubt they will be as low as NA will be. Again for the fact the economy is screwy over there due to kinah buy/selling, something we should not see on NA.

[SinnersINC]

Was more so implying as far as vendor trash type things along with money dropped from mobs as you grind and quest rewards.

[Dseed]

Tika said:

23mil is a large number, but the prices on C Aion (assuming this is where above poster is doing his craft), are very nuts. Mostly because kinah buying/selling is normal over there. I would not expect the prices to be nearly as bad come release for NA. But at the same time, I feel there will be a lot less people even becoming masters on NA due to the fact it will cost a lot (not as much).

Anyhow, long story short. You can not get a good idea on prices until 4-6 months (or longer) after NA releases. Also as a poster stated the prices are so high atm on C Aion because they do not have access to mobs from 45-50 since they are still in patch 1.0 and these mobs drop the refining stones that are needed for master items (quest item too I believe). This week most of C Aion is getting the patch that allows them to get to 50 so I am hoping we will see prices drop a lot. But again, I doubt they will be as low as NA will be. Again for the fact the economy is screwy over there due to kinah buy/selling, something we should not see on NA.

the sad thing is that, WITHOUT gold farmers, prices will be crazy, why? because without those 24/7 ppl who stands there and farm. we see a much less stable flow of dropped goods into the economy(they sell their drops you know) and price levels will be higher. so people who gets their "luck of the day" drop will want ALOT kinah for their "luck"

some people will argue that the lack of injection of the kinahs they bring will bring down the price level and balance everything out. the simple fact is that will not happen. there will be rich people. and there will be poor. without farmers, this gap will become bigger.

given that on average, all players across the globe plays the same amount of time ( shocking right? people in asia with this thing called "job, school" like we do) if NCsoft bans farmers(FARMERS, AKA REAL PEOPLE, not bots ) to none existence, there will be outcry to increase drop rate because people wont find/afford what they want to craft on the AH.

its going to be an interesting balance. but to say that NA price level will be greatly lower than that of Caion is misinformed and you will be in for a surprise.

[SinnersINC]

I'd be happy with the inflation of no botters/farmers lol. less people = less server lag along with less people who are Farming someone i need a drop from etc. but all in all eh i'll take it either way.

[Eric Danieros]

Prices will depend on how well they fight kinah farmers.

[Organic]

Daf said:

There are no mastery work orders. You can use your existing work orders to get to 399 + 40 = 439.

This is no longer true. In Patch 1.2, once you've reached 400, you are no longer able to take a work order. It says: "An Expert cannot take on a Work Order".

The only way to get to 450 is to actually craft gear.

I don't know if this is something that is changed in 1.5, but I was a bit shocked when I completed my 399-400 quest and wasn't able to actually continue leveling my skill by talking to the work order vendor. I have Expert recipes sitting there that I'd love to learn, but it's not gonna happen anytime soon.

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Veterin said:

That is what i am asking? do we need something rare (like premium refining stones) to complete the mastery work order or can we just buy the materials needed from the alchemy merchant like we can at lower levels?

The drop rate was increased for the Premium Armor Refining Stones. Also, there was a major overhaul of the island of Theobomos for Elyos (I'm sure the same thing happened for the Asmo equivalent). Now, 75% of that new land mass has mobs that are level 40-50 and they can drop those refining stones which means there are PAGES of them in the Auction House instead of just a handful of total listings.

What did this do to the price? The stones used to be 3 million to 10 million EACH. Now they're regularly found for under 150,000 kinah each.

This post has been edited by Organic: 05 September 2009 - 10:26 AM
Reason for edit: Automerged Double-Post.