[deathcalls]

It is common among MMO that the Ranger and Assassin character are not very welcome in a group dungeon (PvE). Do to the fact that Assassin are not tank and very squishy (die alot) and doesn't do as much damage as a warrior. Then the Ranger, good for pulling and nothing else unless they have a massive amount of traps which on this game, they don't (not even a pet). Good PVE group dungeon are usually consist of tank, healer, nuker, and pets. Anything else is just addons. Remember I'm talking about Ranger and Assn in PVE group not PVP.

[razattack]

assasins are welcome in groups

rangers are rejects, DONT PLAY RANGER

[UKproud]

I dont know =/ If i was group leader id happily invite anybody as long as i knew they were not ninja or completly stupid. I like to be fair to all players since its peoples enjoyment your messing around with and they pay for the game as well. You would be pretty @@@@!!!! off if you were not invite into a group because of your class so why should people do that to other players.

STOOOPID some people are cruel

[Sed]

deathcalls said:

It is common among MMO that the Ranger and Assassin character are not very welcome in a group dungeon (PvE). Do to the fact that Assassin are not tank and very squishy (die alot) and doesn't do as much damage as a warrior. Then the Ranger, good for pulling and nothing else unless they have a massive amount of traps which on this game, they don't (not even a pet). Good PVE group dungeon are usually consist of tank, healer, nuker, and pets. Anything else is just addons. Remember I'm talking about Ranger and Assn in PVE group not PVP.

This is common among MMOs? Which MMOs exactly?

I haven't seen many of either class but I have grouped with Assassin and its damage was fine. I've never grouped with a ranger so I have no idea.

And like above poster I wouldn't reject somebody solely because of their class. I care more about competence and attitude in a group than who should theoretically be better.

[delmoene]

thought i heard most ppl saying they don't want pet classes b/c they'll tend to aggro

anyway i see no reason why anyone wouldn't want assassins, they're premiere dps

[topkerrigun]

the post under the OP post is complete fail

[razattack]

topkerrigun said:

the post under the OP post is complete fail

if by fail you mean epic omega win then yes

[Zish]

deathcalls said:

It is common among MMO that the Ranger and Assassin character are not very welcome in a group dungeon (PvE). Do to the fact that Assassin are not tank and very squishy (die alot) and doesn't do as much damage as a warrior. Then the Ranger, good for pulling and nothing else unless they have a massive amount of traps which on this game, they don't (not even a pet). Good PVE group dungeon are usually consist of tank, healer, nuker, and pets. Anything else is just addons. Remember I'm talking about Ranger and Assn in PVE group not PVP.

How many MMO's have you played?

Generally, a group will consist of a Tank, a Healer, and any available DPS. In most MMO's, melee DPS is just as important as ranged/caster DPS.

Rangers and Assassins are probably some of the highest DPS in the game.

[Scarlet]

Thats why we hide in the shadows and be a loner :3

[Kazuma]

OP's post just confused me so much. In MMO's, Assassins and Ranger's didn't have THAT hard of a time to group o_o

[deathcalls]

Any serious (higher lev) group dungeon PvE player knows this and I've played enough to know those class are not very welcome even though they beg. People rather have an extra healer, nuker, or a backup tank. Unless the group desperately needed a player because they couldn't find what they are looking for. Also, I say they are not very welcome in a group not completely unwelcome.

This post has been edited by deathcalls: 18 August 2009 - 08:35 PM

[Kazuma]

This thread is ridiculous.

[kaiden916]

I don't recall Rangers or Assissins being rejected from a group. Especially while I was playing one. I never had that problem of people saying no you can't join our group. To the OP, like some of the people saying here, any added DPS is always good.

Anthem said:

I don't allow them in my group since more than half the time they are either;

A.) Under the age of 16 or
B.) Asian and, thus, look like they are under the age of 16.


Do not want nor need.

Talk about being racist...Dumbass Troll

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Kazuma said:

This thread is ridiculous.

+1

/10 toons

This post has been edited by kaiden916: 18 August 2009 - 08:34 PM
Reason for edit: Automerged Double-Post.

[LaNague]

i never had a problem in EQ2 with my assassin and didnt have any in aion....maybe your just terribad.

[Emotions]

A lot of times DPS have a 'hard' time getting into groups in PvE games because of how many there are.

I am curious about something. A lot of people in this thread and in others talk about the relative DPS of the DPS classes and I have to ask, how do you know?

There is no DPS meter and so far I haven't found an after-fight analysis tool either.

Are these just 'feelings' that people are having or is there something I'm missing?

[LaNague]

Emotions said:

A lot of times DPS have a 'hard' time getting into groups in PvE games because of how many there are.

I am curious about something. A lot of people in this thread and in others talk about the relative DPS of the DPS classes and I have to ask, how do you know?

There is no DPS meter and so far I haven't found an after-fight analysis tool either.

Are these just 'feelings' that people are having or is there something I'm missing?

your missing the skill descriptions?

[Zish]

Emotions said:

A lot of times DPS have a 'hard' time getting into groups in PvE games because of how many there are.

I am curious about something. A lot of people in this thread and in others talk about the relative DPS of the DPS classes and I have to ask, how do you know?

There is no DPS meter and so far I haven't found an after-fight analysis tool either.

Are these just 'feelings' that people are having or is there something I'm missing?

I'm sure there have been parses and other tests done.

Plus, it's only common sense that a DPS class with little to no utility will have the highest damage. Otherwise, they really would be useless.

[Ainazahalin]

Well, I guess it's depend on dps class skills too.
Normally, Mage/sorcerer get a lot AoE spell, so Tank + healer + mage no other class needed
because Tank would pull 10-50 mob at the time if other class doesn't have aoe, it will always be mage and 1 melee class stay around the priest/mage in case Tank lost aggro in High end game. But normally it wouldn't needed.

Ragnarok= Vit knight + Wizard + Priest
Shaiya = Defender + Mage + Priest
Dragon Raja = Warlord + High priest + Great wizard
Mu = Gladiator + Mage + Elf
Guild Wars = Tank warrior/Sin perma + Fire ele + Heal and Prot monk

I only play Fantasy game so that's all I can think of right now ~_~

Aion seems to be fighting 1-3 Elite mob at once, so Any Dps works fine.
In PvE, I don't really care about class, as long as they know how to play.

This post has been edited by Ainazahalin: 18 August 2009 - 09:38 PM

[Xannin]

guys dont feed the troll the great thing in Aion is all classes are welcome

[Slyist]

Sed said:

This is common among MMOs? Which MMOs exactly?

I haven't seen many of either class but I have grouped with Assassin and its damage was fine. I've never grouped with a ranger so I have no idea.

And like above poster I wouldn't reject somebody solely because of their class. I care more about competence and attitude in a group than who should theoretically be better.

Well for example my last mmo Shaiya, assassins were generally rejected for group grinding.

Mostly because:
1. Assassins often have less capability to output damage compared to warriors/gladiators, sorcs
2. Limited to single targets and in terms of AoE's are more cc rather than dps
3. Take up spaces that stronger melee/magic attk based classes could be using.

That's mainly for my case in the previous mmo I played but there's the examples Ainazahalin pointed out for various other games.

Considering how surprised I was to find assassin among a 'Best grind group' discussion thread (think they came up with 1 gladiator, 1 assassin, 1 templar, 1 sorc and 1 cleric) I think my sin will have less of a hard time finding suitable grind groups - pretty glad for that.