[Obsession]

So as many people here, i have hard time deciding between the two warrior classes. So i want to ask you guys, is it possible to decide between the two like this: If you like shields and 1h weapons better than polearms, go templar and if you like polearms more than sword and shield go gladiator. Since both can use greatswords, its kinda 1:1 there. Is it ok to choose like that? Who kills mobs/players faster with greatswords? Is gladiator more powerfull with greatsword?

Because i kinda like sword and shield more than polearm, but i love greatswords.

So which class do you think fits me better and i should be playing if I:

1. Like greatswords best
2. Like sword+shield more than polearm
3. Like to kill fast (i suppose glad kills mob faster with greatsword than templar with greatsword?)
4. Like tanking, but beeing offtank is just as good
5. Be good in PVP
6. Like awesome looking skills
7. Like fun skills, i hate fighting a mob and using same weapon swing all the time

So please help me decide. Thank you 1000000 times.

[Gravel01]

Sigh this thread has been repeated over and over i hope this is the last of its kind...


Ok well if you want to do damage you really only have one choice and thats gladiator. Templar is a better tank but imo its not as fun to play, its skills are not as flashy and there are alot of reactive skills.

The main differnce is that the Gladiator while being able to tank/off tank fine takes alot less damage than a Templar.

As for do Templars do more damage than a Gladiator with a greatsword? the anwser is no, even with a 1h + shield a Gladiator can produce about twice the dps of a Templar, 95% of the Gladiators skills are based on dealing damage, this is not the case on the Templar, maney of the Templar skills have ether debuffs or + aggro on them.

The Templar is the games streamroller it is very hard to kill 1v1 for any class and preforms best at 1v1 or 3v3 PVP.

The Gladiator is a DPS class, it cant run away as well as other DPS, it can't hide in stelth, and it can't heal. To make up for this it can take damage, as a result its not uncommon to see Gladiators tanking instances, tho not as safe as a Templar tank they do ok. For PVP becuase it can't hide, kite or heal it fair's badly in 1V1, but becuase it can take damage and is the only real AOE in the game it's one of if not the best group PVP class.

If i were you i would decide myclass more on what you want to be doing in PVP. If you have a good guild or a large group of friends to go around with i would advise on the Glad, becuase imo its alot more fun to play and level.
If you dont have good healers that you can trust, the Gladiator really can be very hard to play,and feel quite squishy when compared to a templar, but as i said with the right support by your healers its extreamly fun and very rewarding to play.

This post has been edited by Gravel01: 29 August 2009 - 05:31 AM

[Kikles]

People who start these threads, just play a Glad. That's generally what it boils down to.

[RamzaBehoulve]

Gravel01 said:

The main differnce is that the Gladiator while being able to tank/off tank fine takes alot less damage than a Templar.

I think you meant takes a lot more damage than Templar.

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As for do Templars do more damage than a Gladiator with a greatsword? the anwser is no, even with a 1h + shield a Gladiator can produce about twice the dps of a Templar, 95% of the Gladiators skills are based on dealing damage, this is not the case on the Templar, maney of the Templar skills have ether debuffs or + aggro on them.

Fairy tales. Gladiators do about 25-30% more DPS than Templar and Assassins 35-40% more (which is about 10% more than Gladiators if you are following). And those numbers completely depend on the specific builds the players are running. That's already huge, so twice the damage (ie : 100% more) in a normal balanced situation? Please...

Just correcting the misinformation (data from 1.0-1.2, did not play 1.5).

And yeah I agree there are already enough threads and flames about this. We don't need another one. If you don't want to be MT and just want casual tanking with DPS, go Gladiator. As Templar you are expected to tank even when you don't want to.

PS : % are estimations based on 100 attacks using Gladiator, Templar and Assassin at lvl 40. They are not scientifically proven and values may change slightly at lvl 50 and patch 1.5

This post has been edited by RamzaBehoulve: 29 August 2009 - 06:12 AM

[Obsession]

Thank you all for help. So if you both spec full DPS, and both use greatsword, gladiator is abaut 20% more DPS? So if templar has bad DPS, but lives longer, i guess its kinda like guardian in AOC, you have to spank mob like forever, but your health doesnt go down. Because i played guardian till like level 60, and it was soooo borring that i quit him. I actually want to be able to kill something, not just stand there taking hits. I mean its good to be able to /afk, go eat, and come back and people still hitting on you. But negative side is i dont want to feel like i cant kill a damn fly. Is templar like that? Or can he actually kill something? So after reading this again, i guess gladiator is better for me?

[RamzaBehoulve]

See it as tradeoff, Templar takes 25% less damage than Gladiator, but Gladiator does 25% more damage. But those are just averages that are dependant on equipment so you will never get those exact figures. Take it as a very rough pre-lvl 45 estimation, and not taking into account the new Advanced Stigmas.

At lvl 40 with both classes equiped with 2h to do damage, we are looking at killing a normal equal lvl mob in under 15s solo for the Templar, that becomes like 12s for the Gladiator and 10s for the Assassin.

Give a look at the lvl 50 Templar video here : http://www.aionsourc...-gs-profit.html

So as you can see, Templar kills relatively quickly too. It's just that Gladiator and Assassin are even faster..well not on those poor sob mobs, but on Elite, you'll notice the difference in DPS much more. Up to the percentages I gave, give or take a few and changes in 1.5.

This game is meant to be furious and fast, not just stand there for hours taking hits.

Note that during leveling, Gladiator is faster than Templar until you reach a point where kill speed is so fast that it's hard to lower it even 1-2s further.

I'm not going to lie here and unless you like tanking, the first 30 lvls of Templar can be much more boring than Gladiator. It's really a late bloomer, but in my opinion, at the end of the road, I believe Templar to be better at what he does than Gladiator, although I enjoyed leveling my Gladiator more back in the day.

Up to you, but the biggest tip I could give you is : do you like 1h + shield or 2h as a fighting method? Because if you like 2h more, you absolutely must play Gladiator. 2h is just a fun option for Templar at high level, but is by far not his main weapon.

This post has been edited by RamzaBehoulve: 29 August 2009 - 09:38 AM

[Obsession]

Thank for a VERY nice reply. Yeah, i like 2h style better, but as i said, i like sword and shield (and 2h greatswords) MUCH more than polearms. I hate polearms, but i love 2h greatswords.
Oh man this is hard to choose, i have like 20 more days to pick one, and i really dont want to go the "nah ill try both and see" way. Its just that i guess i like beeing able to kill stuff fast, not beeing squishy and wearing a plate armor. So its obvious i came down to gladiator or templar. Now its just hard, because...ill do like this:

Gladiator:

+ DPS
+ good AOE
+ greatswords
+ good in group PVP
- Polearms
- Not so good tank

Templar:

+ Hard to bring down
+ I like sword and shield more than polearm
+ Can also use greatswords
+ Good 1 on 1
- Takes time to kill stuff
- Not much "shiny" abillities/skills



As you can see, both have four + and two - . :angry:

Help :cry:

[RamzaBehoulve]

Just so you know, Gladiator can still use 1h + Shield, but just like 2h is not the main weapon for a Templar, 1h + shield is not for Gladiator.

Also don't forget Gladiator can dual-wield if you decide to go that path and be close to 2h DPS, at least on a single target, I think, I never dual wielded. Although it seems the new advanced stigmas for dual wielding tend to force you into a tanking role, so I don't know...

This post has been edited by RamzaBehoulve: 29 August 2009 - 10:06 AM

[Obsession]

That video of templar owning with 2h is pure own. So if i go templar, is it ok to use 2h greatsword for leveling and PVP, and use sword and shield for tanking purposes? Will that work? If yes, ill go templar.

[Riku]

Not sure how viable greatsword is for templar in pvp setting. It's great for pve (switching between GS & SB for more damage and stuns).

[Etherios]

i am sure you will stop what ever other tell you and start swearing them for their opinion.

just play the damn game ... OB is 1 week .. you have enuf time to get both chars to 20-25 and see what you like more.


There are so many play styles test your self. Selecting a class from what it uses is ... meh

[RamzaBehoulve]

Obsession said:

That video of templar owning with 2h is pure own. So if i go templar, is it ok to use 2h greatsword for leveling and PVP, and use sword and shield for tanking purposes? Will that work? If yes, ill go templar.

Nope, 2h viability really comes very late in a Templar's life. Templar's reactive shield skills are very powerful and when leveling solo, they go off all the time.

Like it has been suggested, you'll have one week of Open Beta to test them both. It takes about 3-4h to get to class specialisation (lvl 10).

[Obsession]

Problem is i didnt preorder, so i dont have the key to test it. :(

[Etherios]

Obsession said:

Problem is i didnt preorder, so i dont have the key to test it. :(

templars :

uses mostly 1h + shield and in times that is needed 2h (you can solo easy mobs faster with using both 1h and 2h)
Is the better tank and has more cc skills.


Gladiators:
Uses polearm and greatswords (can use 1h + shield if needed)
Is the better dpser with fewer cc and some aoe skills.


they are 2 different classes that use plated armor and last longer than all the rest classes. So want more to tank/play defensive go templar. Want more to dps/play agressive go Gladiator.


SIMPLE.

[Obsession]

Thanks guys, i guess its on me now to decide. I wish i could play open beta, but since i dont plan to preorder, i guess i wont be able to. :(

[Atchoum]

You will be able to. They will distribute free open beta key.

[Obsession]

Where can i get one?

[M_Rangiku]

If you played close beta then you should be allowed to play open. Unless you had a 1 weekend only key.

I see so many saying do this do that; but neglect to mention that glads and use S&B, and get shield skills. As well as bow mastery.
Sure Glad's main weapon choices are pole, and GS. (however if u don't use GS, PA then no AoE skills!)
That doesn't mean you have to conform to the masses!!

That temp video is a special case, that guy pumped alot of money into an alt to beef him up with all yellow gear, and basically nothing but straight crit rate stones.

And Glads can't off tank if they don't use the right set up that's focused on defense, if they are in pure crt/att stones and PA then they can't off-tank!!!

[Gravel01]

I am sorry that i did not explain my post properly.

I claimed that a Gladiator with a 1h+ shield or a GS would hit for twice as much Ie 100% more than a Templar.

When i said that firstly i ment in a PVP situation and secondly what i should of said is that they have 100% more attack rating than a Templar Ramz is corrent when he said they hit for about 25% more than a Templar before 1.5 but Gladiators have been given a massive buff since then in the forum of assult stance= +80% attack buff.

Saying that as a Templar if you wsh to give up 5 sig slots for it you can also get a +50% attack buff, very few take that becuase the Templar gets a few very needed normal sigs so dont go for the end of the advanced line.

Things like +800 magic resistance and "takes 100% of the damage for a party member for 30 seconds" are both very good along with stunning strike and armor of balance. becuase of tho's 1.5 did't really buff the Templars damage at all.
Becuase swords and daggers no longer crit for X3 there multiplyer only x2.25 now there crits are 1/3 smaller since 1.5

On the other hand Templars have alot more than 25% defence over a Gladiator, i know when ganked by lets say a sorc a ranger and a cleric I die dam fast, i have seen Templars stand a chance of killing players even when ganked and out numbered i would say a good templar prob live's at lest 50% if not longer than a gladiator, in some situations they can survive 3/4x longer than a gladiator.

This post has been edited by Gravel01: 30 August 2009 - 06:16 AM

[RamzaBehoulve]

Yeah 1.5 kinda screwed up things more towards separating Templar and Gladiator.

Gladiator DPS keeps improving past lvl 43, but their defense stays about the same and the opposite is true for Templar. Their defense reaches sky high while their DPS at lvl 50 is pretty much the same as lvl 40...give or take a few skill upgrades.

Besides, ven if going the major DPS increase path for Templar, the Gladiator doing the same thing stays ahead anyway..and most Gladiators will go that path I think.

It's interesting to note that the Templar can achieve the +80% physical attack buff (but without the lowered defense) the gladiator has by sacrificing some anti-magic skills...

Give me a few mins and we can compare the stigma trees. I'll let you correct the Gladiator tree if I make a mistake.

Gladiator PvP DPS : http://terhix.com/st...3:13:2:14:15:16

Templar PvP DPS : http://terhix.com/st...:3:2:5:18:17:19

Templar Tank Tree : http://terhix.com/st...2:5:13:14:15:16

Gladiator Tank Tree : hum need help here..kinda sucky choices pretty much

As we can see, the difference between them are huge in their respective department.

This post has been edited by RamzaBehoulve: 30 August 2009 - 06:44 AM