[Eldaran]

I've been playing MMO's since 1998. I don't remember people hating on RP'ers before WoW came out. Even in the beginning of WoW I remember on Argent Dawn, there was a pretty decent community who would either get into roleplaying with you or just not bother with you.

I know I'm labeled as a hater, but I seriously think because WoW pulled in a few million other people who didn't give a **** about this genre of games before, that it has watered down the community that used to populate these types of games. Games like Everquest, Ultima Online, Asherons Call, Star Wars Galaxies, and a few others were full of roleplayers who also (with the exception of EQ) could handle themselves in PvP.

I'm not trying to stir hatred here, but am just looking at what you all might think. I myself played WoW on and off for quite a few years but found myself unable to get immersed in it. It all felt very hollow to me and I lost interest rather frequently.



TL;DR do you think the extra people that were introduced into MMOs with WoW have spawned a legion of people who just want to win at any cost instead of immersing themselves in game?

[gwin]

[flarecde]

I think RP carried a stigma long before WoW came out. I wasn't active on the WoW boards at the time, but I'm sure there was probably much the same "LOLRP discussions" there as there are here.

I think the issue against RP is that some people just don't understand conscious escapism. Yet they happily practice a similar exercise using booze or drugs. I guess some people's imaginations wither as they age, while some keep young at heart.

[Eldaran]

I really think a lot of people who have come into MMO's very recently treat them like PvP Fantasy Counterstrike matches. It's all about how many kills you have and how fast you get to max level. I just love to play the game and try to enjoy every second that I'm in it. I also however love to PvP, run instances, and do just about anything competitive with my Legion/Guild/Clan or whatever. I absolutely do not hate on RPers as I have no problem RPing but it's just not a main focus for me anymore because I believe the outlet for such behavior has suffered alot in the way MMOs are being made nowadays.

[Vidrak]

No, I think the WoW community spawned a bunch of selfish, spoiled kids to play MMO's. I have never seen communities and global chat channels spammed to the extent WoW was until WoW. It just attracted a young, inexperienced, noob, immature audience into MMO's. These players are ignorant of the world, and most everything in it, obviously.

I don't RP a lot, but I enjoy it from time to time, and enjoy more the maturity and feel of the game in an RP community. You don't have chat channel spamming. You have less KS'ing, ninja-looting, overall the community cares about community more.

WoW was definitely the downfall of all MMO community, there is no doubt about that. And as far as RP hate goes, they are basically "internet racists". It is the same thing as hating on white/black/brown/asian people. Just let it go, add them to the ignore list and move on. They are simply naive, which you can tell from their posts.

[wooz]

I agree.

and I've found that the best way to get the wowtards(and tards in general) to grow the nyerk up is to simply ignore the "WHAR IS TUTTY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" general chat comments. Eventually the person will either realize they need to ask nicely or... they'll go back to WoW.

[antidream]

No, but it did attract alot of idiots to MMOs who wouldn't otherwise be playing. They tend to put little to no effort in their gaming, then cry for Blizzard to nerf challenges because they want to be on even keel with everyone else while putting in no time or effort.

[Jarik]

I've been playing MMO's since the days of UO, and its only been since WoW that the hatred towards RPers has really started to gather speed, heck, I remember back in UO where being a RP was a mark of pride, and even those who didn't RP did not mind those who did, and didn't mind if you roleplayed a bit, back then we were all the extreme nerds though, which might have had something to do with it.

[Project Valkyrie]

This is kind of a dry question. Everything is hated by some people. I hate beets. The next person may love them. I love carrots. The previous person may not.


Everyone is biased. WoW or not.

[Vidrak]

Project Valkyrie said:

This is kind of a dry question. Everything is hated by some people. I hate beets. The next person may love them. I love carrots. The previous person may not.


Everyone is biased. WoW or not.

I think there is a difference between being a prejudice/racist person than not enjoying beets or carrots. These people openly flame and bash other people on internet forums. There is a difference, IMO. It has more to do with the "lack of tolerance" than "liking it or not". I can not like something, but I don't bash the person/thing until no end like some of the people have been doing on here. Just say, "I don't enjoy it, but to each their own" and move on. Simple as that.

Reading things like "RP'ers are gay", "retarded" or "how their mommies iron their tighty whities" is pretty obvious to see how immature and stupid the people "ripping RP" are. I guess they don't realize that they are making more of a fool of themselves than the people they are trying to make fun of?

I mean, it is kind of a no brainer for me. Would I rather play with RP players, or ones that put "LOL" at the end of every sentence in game? It is a very easy choice for me.

[Elsharin1]

I agree, there are several people out there that don't understand why people choose to RP. Exactly, much like booze, drugs, etc. RP is some people's way to escape and maybe get their creative juices flowing. I for one love to RP for the sheer fact that it gives me something to focus on and exercise my mind with. Thinking creative story lines and scenarios. That relaxes me and keeps me from getting annoyed easily when I'm grinding away. When I played WoW, I did have immature people on my RP Server taunting me for RPing. It was an RP SERVER, what did they expect?

[Project Valkyrie]

Well, all I can is the reason why we are thought to be such easy targets is because most of us take the insults and flames up our booty holes. If you are a smart RPer, you wouldn't let the words of a troll belittle your act. The haters assume we are all just kids playing pretend, but that is because there are a lot of Rpers that will quit their act just to QQ about being insulted. If you show you are being offended, you are only supplying more bait for haters.

[Grim Faust]

I think as gaming is becoming more mainstream, it's altering the state of the playerbase. While people still play the games because they like them, it's definitely not like it used to be. Back in the 90's if you gamed and said you played an online RPG, people thought you were a dork stick. This kept away a lot of people and left mostly those that were devoted to the game in itself and the spirit of interacting in an online community.

Now however, MMO's are more popular and socially acceptable. This brings in more people which subesquently means more morons in the pool. To put things bluntly, MMO's are starting to feel like over-glorified chat rooms with graphics. I think a lot of people just play to piss around and blow off steam. Previously video games weren't really the 'cool' way of doing it. But now that those younger gamer generations are growing up, more and more people are gaming. As this happens, it garners more attention from the non-gamers who don't quite know what it's all about but think they need to toss their hat in, just to see what all the fuss is about.

I loved MMO's back in the 90's, in fact, I used to RP in UO ( Siege Perilous ) and for about 2 years I was developing a shard of my own with a whole bunch of people. Gaming isn't what it used to be, but there's not a lot you can do. You just have to focus on the aspects you enjoy and work on spreading that around as opposed to focusing on the 'other side'.

[steelystan]

I don't necessarily RP. WoW was the first MMO I ever played and because of WoW I'm not playing Aion... But I appreciate RP and all that goes with it, the immersion, the maturity, the courtesies, etc...

What I cannot understand is why so many people on this server (in general chat) have such a big problem with it. To me it's all about respect and people who don't RP aren't disrespecting the RP community but those who actively stand against it are disrespecting those who do... and if you can't respect such a simple thing as people wanting to RP in A FREAKIN GAME then you most likely have/will have a hard time respecting people in a real life situation.

[Arr!]

Vidrak said:

I think there is a difference between being a prejudice/racist person than not enjoying beets or carrots. These people openly flame and bash other people on internet forums. There is a difference, IMO. It has more to do with the "lack of tolerance" than "liking it or not". I can not like something, but I don't bash the person/thing until no end like some of the people have been doing on here. Just say, "I don't enjoy it, but to each their own" and move on. Simple as that.

Reading things like "RP'ers are gay", "retarded" or "how their mommies iron their tighty whities" is pretty obvious to see how immature and stupid the people "ripping RP" are. I guess they don't realize that they are making more of a fool of themselves than the people they are trying to make fun of?

Unless you're playing the role of a hapless loser for laughs, winning generally makes playing a game more fun. Winning in a pvp game, when death is basically a minor inconvenience, becomes all about getting the other side to forfeit what they want to do due to a negative emotional response, leaving less competition for resources.

So, at a guess, the hyperbole about racism you're throwing in there is probably making the haters snicker, because the hate is clearly doing its job. You can just as easily say, "I don't enjoy the psyops, but to each their own," or maybe even, "Aww. That's so cute!" ...and move on.



So, yeah. Basically what Project Valkyrie said.





On the subject of the OP: Yes. :P

This post has been edited by Arr!: 22 September 2009 - 03:12 PM

[Ironhelix73]

Vidrak said:

No, I think the WoW community spawned a bunch of selfish, spoiled kids to play MMO's. I have never seen communities and global chat channels spammed to the extent WoW was until WoW. It just attracted a young, inexperienced, noob, immature audience into MMO's. These players are ignorant of the world, and most everything in it, obviously.

I don't RP a lot, but I enjoy it from time to time, and enjoy more the maturity and feel of the game in an RP community. You don't have chat channel spamming. You have less KS'ing, ninja-looting, overall the community cares about community more.

WoW was definitely the downfall of all MMO community, there is no doubt about that. And as far as RP hate goes, they are basically "internet racists". It is the same thing as hating on white/black/brown/asian people. Just let it go, add them to the ignore list and move on. They are simply naive, which you can tell from their posts.

This person is absolutely correct. Popularity destroys all good things, and MMO's are no exception.

[Grim Faust]

[Project Valkyrie]

Grim Faust said:

I'll go ahead and save this image for later...for truth purposes.

[Gedachtnis]

@ OP;

I'm not sure that WoW in particlular has added to the proplem. WoW is just an easy target because of it's size and popularity, much as any large corporation is an easy target as the cause of all the worlds ills.

In reality it seems more likely to be the byproduct of a growing population. That isn't to say that WoW hasn't helped tremendously to increase the mmo population, surely it has. It would, I think, be just as accurate to say every mmo development company, every company that designs, makes and sells computers, all internet providers, as well as the government are to blame. After all, everyone of these entities strive to make internet access (and by proxy mmo's) more accessable to more people. By growing the population you grow the amount of "unwanted" people.

@ Vidrarak

OMFG STFU! Comparing internet griefing to actual racisim ranks right up there in stupidity with Ice Fishing via dynamite. The next time someone physically beats you up, throws you in jail, or wraps a noose around your neck and drags you behind their car just because you RP, you can use that word again. You're one of the idiots that cheered and agreed with Michael Moore wehn he bitched about being censored, of course the fact that there were hundreds of microphones and cameras broadcasting his claim around the world never occured to anyone.

@Project Valkyrie, Grim Faust, and Arr!

Keep up the truth and keep the faith!

[GurenSeiten]

Vidrak said:

Reading things like "RP'ers are gay", "retarded" or "how their mommies iron their tighty whities" is pretty obvious to see how immature and stupid the people "ripping RP" are. I guess they don't realize that they are making more of a fool of themselves than the people they are trying to make fun of?

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