[Dejh]

Edit 2: Go here ---> http://www.aionsourc...faction-ii.html. Tiaga gets an official medal of Win for completing the translation, and Nicodega gets one for writing the app.

Edit: This post has an explanation of how the translation works, but if you just want to apply it, you can use this awesome page made by darkman424. It's what I've been using for translation ever since he posted it, because it's much quicker than manually figuring out each letter, so I would highly recommend it.
Convert phrases from english to Elyos or Asmodian

I've been trying to decode the chat filter between the races since the Closed Betas, and I've made some progress. I've got enough information to figure most of it out, and have seen enough to say for a fact that figuring out what the other side is saying is fairly hard. I'm not done looking through the information and writing up my findings, due to the game being out, but I'll get it done eventually. However, I have done enough to know how to talk to the other side, one letter at a time. Basically, the first letter of any word will decode in a predictable way, so by putting a space between each letter, you can type to the other side through a simple filter. The way I've been typing is to use one space between letters in a word, and three spaces between words to clearly distinguish them.

This table has a list of how to type to the other side. The top row is what you want the other race to see, the others are what you type. Capitalization DOES matter, and the gaps and repeated letters on the Asmodian side are not a mistake, they are part of the filter (so, to type a 'r' as an Asmodian, you must type an uppercase 'G'). Also note that the opposing race will see ALL letters besides the very first one in a line as lowercase, so you can't really type to the other side in ALL CAPS.

Letter:           a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

Type (for Elyos): i h k j m l o n q p s r u t w v y x a z c b e d g f
Or:               O N Q P S R U T W V Y X A Z C B E D G F I H K J M L

Type (for Asmos): j k h i n o l m r s p q v w t u z   b c   a f g d e
                                                      x y
Or:               L M R S P Q V W T U Z   B C   A F G D E J K H I N O
                                          X Y

So, for example, if an Asmodian wanted to say 'Hi Elyos,' they would type

'm r   n q d t b.' 

In this particular case, since the letter 's' has 2 possible ways to write it going from Asmodian to Elyos,

'm r   n q d t x'

would also work. An Elyos will see this as

H i   e l y o s

with the capitalization just like that.

If any of this is unclear, ask and I'll see if I can clarify. I did take this from my post on our Legion forums (with some modification of course), where it was focused on how we as Asmodians would use it, and had a couple pages of my theories and explanations before this table, so its possible that I missed something that wasn't made clear here.

How I've been using this information is having a separate skillbar setting with only chat macros on it containing common phrases I'd want to say to an enemy, so I can say what I need to them fairly easily. That would definitely be my recommended use of it. Well, becoming fluent would probably be more awesome, but it would take longer.

I'll complete this post when I'm done writing it up. That could be days or months, depending on when I find the time, so don't hold your breath.

This post has been edited by Aion Bunny: 20 November 2009 - 07:39 AM

[Distant]

Great post, thanks.

[AznAlien]

thanks for the info!

[Mecca924]

lol =/= kik?

whats?

[Dashel]

I wish they allowed talking, just not whispering. It would be nice to get some proximity based taunts/shouts going.

You could simply have an option in the Game Menu called: "Fluent in the Other Factions language?" and have it clicked off as default. Players interested in engaging in back and forth banter will have to make the choice to turn it on.

And if it got too offensive, you could mute them like any griefer.

Age of Conan allowed talking amongst enemies - that was fine.

[axle00]

People were doing this a long time ago in WoW (way before the burning crusade expansion). Blizzard started banning their accounts for doing it, as they didn't want the factions communicating except through emotes.

I wouldn't be surprised if NCSoft did the same thing.

[r34p3rex]

Nice. I think they should add some skill manual or something to understand the other language

[TheAmazingShane]

So say I'm Asmo, and I'm taunting an Elyos...The translation for the letter u is a capital J? Just double checking.

[Dejh]

TheAmazingShane said:

So say I'm Asmo, and I'm taunting an Elyos...The translation for the letter u is a capital J? Just double checking.

That's correct :)

[Graywolf]

or you could just open a shop enter what you want to say in the promotion box talked to lots of asmos this way

[Dejh]

Graywolf said:

or you could just open a shop enter what you want to say in the promotion box talked to lots of asmos this way

Can't do that in a fight, on the move or in the air.

[darkman424]

Dejh said:

This table has a list of how to type to the other side. The top row is what you want the other race to see, the others are what you type. Capitalization DOES matter, and the gaps and repeated letters on the Asmodian side are not a mistake, they are part of the filter (so, to type a 'r' as an Asmodian, you must type an uppercase 'G'). Also note that the opposing race will see ALL letters besides the very first one in a line as lowercase, so you can't really type to the other side in ALL CAPS.

Letter:           a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

Type (for Elyos): i h k j m l o n q p s r u t w v y x a z c b e d g f
Or:               O N Q P S R U T W V Y X A Z C B E D G F I H K J M L

Type (for Asmos): j k h i n o l m r s p q v w t u z   b c   a f g d e
                                                      x y
Or:               L M R S P Q V W T U Z   B C   A F G D E J K H I N O
                                          X Y

First, Dejh, great work! I've always enjoyed being able to say things a bit more personally to the other side in MMOs, and this was the first time I saw a nice chart laid out on how the conversion works. Being unemployed at the moment and finding it to tedious to figure it all out letter by letter each time, I went ahead and used this chart to make a web page that auto converts it for you. (I linked back to this post for original credit of course)

App to auto convert the phrases for you:
http://thedarkrealm..../aion/index.php

[thrash242]

They should fix this--randomize the cipher or do like WAR and change it to "ElyosScum says something you don't understand."

Also, they need to fix the shop thing so that it's encrypted also or even where the text just doesn't even show up.

It should be impossible for the two sides to communicate in-game.

[oldirty]

thrash242 said:

They should fix this--randomize the cipher or do like WAR and change it to "ElyosScum says something you don't understand."

Also, they need to fix the shop thing so that it's encrypted also or even where the text just doesn't even show up.

It should be impossible for the two sides to communicate in-game.

why?

here some stuff you could write to your asmo fellows :> ( me elyos):

c a c k s q e q t -> u suck i win

e n g a w a m x q w c a -> why so serious

r c r c r c r c r c r -> lululululul

o l t w w h a -> gf noobs

[FellWolf]

Ah, well this is good to know for later, thx for posting it.

[kessha]

haha would love to talk to them!
but before I can even write down one letter they already killed me : D

[CowsGoMoo]

That must have taken a while.

[Encrypt]

is it supposed to be like this?

Letter:           a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z


Type (for Elyos): i h k j m l o n q p s r u t w v y x a z c b e d g f

Or:               O N Q P S R U T W V Y X A Z C B E D G F I H K J M L


Type (for Asmos): j k h i n o l m r s p q v w t u z [COLOR="Red"][missing letter][/COLOR] b c [COLOR="Red"][missing letter][/COLOR] a f g d e

                                                      x y

Or:               L M R S P Q V W T U Z   B C   A F G D E J K H I N O

                                          X Y

does that mean that the letters 'u' and 'r' are the same in both languages?

This post has been edited by Encrypt: 18 October 2009 - 08:39 AM

[Garash]

Encrypt said:

is it supposed to be like this?

Letter:           a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z


Type (for Elyos): i h k j m l o n q p s r u t w v y x a z c b e d g f

Or:               O N Q P S R U T W V Y X A Z C B E D G F I H K J M L


Type (for Asmos): j k h i n o l m r s p q v w t u z [COLOR="Red"][missing letter][/COLOR] b c [COLOR="Red"][missing letter][/COLOR] a f g d e

                                                      x y

Or:               L M R S P Q V W T U Z   B C   A F G D E J K H I N O

                                          X Y

does that mean that the letters 'u' and 'r' are the same in both languages?

It means that you CAN'T type 'u' or 'r' using a lowercase letter, you MUST use a uppercase one.
the same thing applies to 'l' and 'o', you can't use an uppercase letter, must use a lowercase one.

[thrash242]

oldirty said:

why?

Because they obviously intended for the two sides not to be able to communicate and you further illustrated why: people use it for pointless trash talking. It also might be used for some sort of meta-game collaboration (like farming Abyss points, which has been done through sign communication).